Should crown store bought manors count for the title?

nordsavage · January 2017

No

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

It is a form of pay to win. Achievements and titles should not be bought.

Why is a stupid title pay to win? it is not like these do anything ingame. Hell even master fisherman the rarest title doesn't do a thing for you.

There are many who see these things that take time and patients as a victory upon completion. No different than any other accomplishment in the game. By offering these victories through cold hard cash they are diminished and pointless to exist.
If someone cannot earn millions of gold by combat spoils or dealings in game it is a lack of skill or effort and should not be rewarded.

Why play a game only to buy your way through it?

Unsent.Soul · January 2017

Yes

nordsavage wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

It is a form of pay to win. Achievements and titles should not be bought.

Why is a stupid title pay to win? it is not like these do anything ingame. Hell even master fisherman the rarest title doesn't do a thing for you.

There are many who see these things that take time and patients as a victory upon completion. No different than any other accomplishment in the game. By offering these victories through cold hard cash they are diminished and pointless to exist.
If someone cannot earn millions of gold by combat spoils or dealings in game it is a lack of skill or effort and should not be rewarded.

Why play a game only to buy your way through it?

I'm not buying my way through a game, I'm not buying my way to emp, or all skyshards, or all magebooks....

I've completed all quest achievements for all 3 factions. I'll buy my house with crowns and be a "lord" because I can.

My gold is better spent for materials, gear, etc.

Your last comment... it's hard not to laugh, nobody is buying their way through the game, at least that's not possible, currently.

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

Other

nordsavage wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

It is a form of pay to win. Achievements and titles should not be bought.

Why is a stupid title pay to win? it is not like these do anything ingame. Hell even master fisherman the rarest title doesn't do a thing for you.

There are many who see these things that take time and patients as a victory upon completion. No different than any other accomplishment in the game. By offering these victories through cold hard cash they are diminished and pointless to exist.
If someone cannot earn millions of gold by combat spoils or dealings in game it is a lack of skill or effort and should not be rewarded.

Why play a game only to buy your way through it?

Because believe it or not, not everyone shares your opinion on what constitutes as fun and what doesn't. Most people play games for fun, not to mind numbly farm over and over again when some of those doing that farming openly admit it's not fun in the slightest. So by the same token, why do some people do laborious dull things when they're doing something that's supposed to be fun? Most of us do enough dull *** in our lives without adding yet more dull *** into past times that are supposed to be fun.

Just seems no matter what is being discussed, someone somewhere on these forums is just waiting to pull out the P2W argument no matter how ridiculous and irrelevant that usage may be.

Artis · January 2017

No

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So do tell them all you nay Sayers...what is the difference with purchasing Dark Brotherhood dlc and getting the Assasin achievement title vs buying these homes and getting a title? You had to pay for both. Just curious what your responses will be. And I know the title comes from doing dlc quests but you had to either buy the dlc or buy a membership. Oh and for the record before it's thrown at me, yes I have completed all the Zone achievement for each faction and it doesn't bother me in the slightest that a title is given if someone purchases a home from the crown store and recieves it/them.

Do you seriously not see the difference between paying for the content with access to quests, skill line, NPCs, delves, etc. and paying to get the title directly?

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · January 2017

Yes

Why does it matter? How would you know if they paid gold or crowns unless they told you? How do I know someone with Stormproof didn't pay someone else to earn it for them? IMO if someone buys a house with crowns they should get the title because there will be no way to buy it again with gold and then the achievement would be locked forever.

Universe · January 2017

No

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Why does it matter? How would you know if they paid gold or crowns unless they told you? How do I know someone with Stormproof didn't pay someone else to earn it for them? IMO if someone buys a house with crowns they should get the title because there will be no way to buy it again with gold and then the achievement would be locked forever.

A simple solution is to make the alliance manors only available for gold purchase(remove the crown store purchase options before it goes live).
But I guess the chance for that happening is very close to 0.

heaven13 · January 2017

No

Lord wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Why does it matter? How would you know if they paid gold or crowns unless they told you? How do I know someone with Stormproof didn't pay someone else to earn it for them? IMO if someone buys a house with crowns they should get the title because there will be no way to buy it again with gold and then the achievement would be locked forever.

A simple solution is to make the alliance manors only available for gold purchase(remove the crown store purchase options before it goes live).
But I guess the chance for that happening is very close to 0.

Yeah, I agree. Some people have pointed out that the high in-game gold value is likely a sticker shock tactic to get people to make the purchase with crowns instead. Which could very well be the case.

I don't care for the paying for achievements/title either, especially as a way to bypass the quest requirements in place otherwise. I would welcome a compromise where those who purchase with crowns don't get the title or achievements until they've completed the associated quests. This way, manors can still be purchased with crowns yet the achievements and titles are still tied to the quests, thus finding a healthy middle ground and avoiding the "can't buy a house more than once" issue for those who want the title, but either can't/don't want to accumulate the gold.

After all, there are other items that can be purchased with in-game gold or crowns, like bag and bank space. Therefore, it seems reasonable that the real issue here are the associated titles and achievements.

rotaugen454 · January 2017

Yes

heaven13 wrote: »

Lord wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Why does it matter? How would you know if they paid gold or crowns unless they told you? How do I know someone with Stormproof didn't pay someone else to earn it for them? IMO if someone buys a house with crowns they should get the title because there will be no way to buy it again with gold and then the achievement would be locked forever.

A simple solution is to make the alliance manors only available for gold purchase(remove the crown store purchase options before it goes live).
But I guess the chance for that happening is very close to 0.

Yeah, I agree. Some people have pointed out that the high in-game gold value is likely a sticker shock tactic to get people to make the purchase with crowns instead. Which could very well be the case.

I don't care for the paying for achievements/title either. I would welcome a compromise where those who purchase with crowns don't get the title until they've completed the associated quests. This way, manors can still be purchased with crowns yet the achievements and titles are still tied to the quests, thus finding a healthy middle ground and avoiding the "can't buy a house more than once" issue for those who want the title, but either can't/don't want to accumulate the gold.

After all, there are other items that can be purchased with in-game gold or crowns, like bag and bank space. Therefore, it seems reasonable that the real issue here are the associated titles and achievements.

Your solution is the most reasonable I've seen and I'd be perfectly happy with it. You are a Lord because you saved 3 areas.

lillybit · January 2017

Yes

nordsavage wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

It is a form of pay to win. Achievements and titles should not be bought.

Why is a stupid title pay to win? it is not like these do anything ingame. Hell even master fisherman the rarest title doesn't do a thing for you.

There are many who see these things that take time and patients as a victory upon completion. No different than any other accomplishment in the game. By offering these victories through cold hard cash they are diminished and pointless to exist.
If someone cannot earn millions of gold by combat spoils or dealings in game it is a lack of skill or effort and should not be rewarded.

Why play a game only to buy your way through it?

There is no skill involved in amassing huge amounts of gold. What's involved is a certain amount of tedium and a willingness to contribute to the artificial inflation of prices at traders. For example the ambrosia recipe that's gone from around 100k to upwards of 350k. It's no more rare than it was before, it's just taking advantage of people who have limited time playing and would rather spend that time actually playing, shocking as that is. Or the Aetherial Dust - dust, not even the cypher - trading at over 160k.
I don't have millions saved because I do things like list my spare gold festival recipes for 2k each because I'd rather help out other gamers rather than fleece them.
So no, I refuse to feel guilty that the only way I'll ever have the title is if I use cold hard cash because the alternative is diminishing the game for others through greed.

Buffler · January 2017

the only 2 titles that mean anything is "flawless conqueror" and "Dro'mathra Destroyer"

jircris11 · January 2017

Yes

Soella wrote: »

As far as I am aware, this is first time in ESO someone can buy a title for real money. And not just a title, it is the only title associated with economy oriented players. Do you think it is fair that it can be just bought?

spending real money to support the game, i do not see why not.

jircris11 · January 2017

Yes

Soella wrote: »

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Why wouldn't it? Either way you earned it. Real life money or in game currency, and real life money is supporting the game makers more than in game coin.

Should not title/achievements show our ingame results and not be pay to win?

also out of curiosity how is paying real money for something that gives no advantage p2w? you people REALLY need to learn the true meaning of P2W -_- i am sick of seeing people use P2W for ANYTHING in the crown store. P2W (Pay 2 Win) is when you buy something that gives you a CLEAR advantage over those who do not pay. Houses,motifs,costumes,mounts none of that is p2w. XP scrolls is questionable but lvling quickly really does not mean much any more.

I like using the cash grab facebook games or browser games as examples. like league of angels. they sell a full costume+mount+wings+weapon skin that increase your stats by around 30-60k as a non paying member you CAN NOT compete against them, THAT is what p2w is. If you want a actual game example then lets go with SWTOR. free members can only get to lvl 55, they can not equip purple gear, they can only have one crafting profession vs 3 AND they can not trade,mail items. You can sub OR buy the unlocks for all these but it is still pay to win.

DUTCH_REAPER · January 2017

Yes

Artis wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

So do tell them all you nay Sayers...what is the difference with purchasing Dark Brotherhood dlc and getting the Assasin achievement title vs buying these homes and getting a title? You had to pay for both. Just curious what your responses will be. And I know the title comes from doing dlc quests but you had to either buy the dlc or buy a membership. Oh and for the record before it's thrown at me, yes I have completed all the Zone achievement for each faction and it doesn't bother me in the slightest that a title is given if someone purchases a home from the crown store and recieves it/them.

Do you seriously not see the difference between paying for the content with access to quests, skill line, NPCs, delves, etc. and paying to get the title directly?

Do you seriously not understand the title is for having the homes and all you cryers are complaining about is someone getting a title for having the home? The ones you get for an explorer or adventurer achievement is sad that other players are basically saying "no no no. It's not fair." Got news for all of you, life is not fair. The mighty dollar speaks way louder than any cry baby/snowflake. I mean seriously. People saying this is P2W....yawn. Anyways they are not even epic titles!! That's the funny thing. These title do not say you have amazing skill. They say you own a home(s).

All of your tears sustain me.

DUTCH_REAPER · January 2017

Yes

I really don't see the difference between getting the title and buying the dlc for a Zone and getting a pet with it? I mean honestly. Can we complain about something relevant like the crap dragon blood supposedly fix ZOS is doing or the other nerfs they did?

snakester320 · January 2017

No

Sorry it's hardly fair to the ppl who have worked there way through content made the gold and get a title that can be brought for some crowns.. myself I don't give 2 Sh.ts about titles etc.. I'll never get the prerequisites or 3.8 mill mark so why reward me with a title for all my effort of buying it in the crown store!! If I bother!

Cazic · January 2017

Yes

Yes, because you still own the house one way or the other. Other players won't be able to tell how you purchased the house, and a title gives you no advantage.

alexkdd99 · January 2017

Yes

magnusthorek wrote: »

Why EVERYTIME the subject P2W gets a highlight, for any reason, people use as argument ONLY the in-game advantage that money may bring?

For god's sakes if you receive ANYTHING by buying with real money, no matter if big or small, important or useless, it IS pay-to-win because you... are... paying... to WIN... something.

If you spend money to buy-off DLCs, you're paying to receive ("win") access to their content "forever".

Crown Crates? You are paying so the Khajiit will let you open (meaning you're receiving - winning - permission) one from his stock (or whatever concept is behind them, I don't care).

Be more creative defending your point!

On topic: No, Crown Store related items must not worth achievements. EVER! If you wanna track them as achievements-like, go for ESO-Database

You have no clue what pay to win is, that is clear.

A title is not winning anything. You talk about people need to be creative in defending crap when you are spouting the same nonsense as has been said plenty of times on the forums. So how is that creative?

Receiving worthless fluff does not mean win. Sorry that you equate useless cosmetics to winning but that is not what pay to win means.

Pay to win is when you pay to obtain an advantage over other players without a skill check involved and only obtainable with real money.

Cosmetics are NOT pay to win, dlc are NOT pay to win. Nothing you mentioned is pay 2 win. "Get creative!"

Tandor · January 2017

Yes

Given that only a tiny number of wealthy traders and a handful of guilds will end up being able to pay gold for a manor house, I see the Crown Store as simply being another option for participating fully in the housing system. In any event, titles are of no great significance, it would scarcely count as "P2W".

People with millions in the bank need to stop thinking so highly of themselves, they haven't "worked harder" in the game than anyone else, they've just focused on making money while other people have focused on other things.

Taleof2Cities · January 2017

Yes

Lord wrote: »

store and getting the titles on a silver plate while others grinded for the necessary gold for a long time is unthinkable.

I really don't like the direction this game is taking... titles that can be bought by real life money.
What's next ? 10k crowns for emperor achievement since players didn't have the time and/or skill to grind for AP ?

I don't have a strong aversion to gold-bought manors only counting for the title ... I would be fine with it.

That said, I don't think this argument for your stance is very good.

Why?

Because, like other cosmetic-related titles, homes and manors are just that ... cosmetic.

The emperor achievement is not a cosmetic achievement. And I agree ... getting enough AP and Alliance coordination in this game is a tall task sometimes.

VampiricByNature · January 2017

Yes

Give them the title. Unless they integrate a system for crown store home-buyers so they can buy into the title eventually.

Otherwise, it's pretty crappy to buy something in the crown store and be locked out of a title because of it.

Dymence · January 2017

Yes

So unlocking titles is P2W now?

You learn something new every day, don't you?

Tandor · January 2017

Yes

nordsavage wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

It is a form of pay to win. Achievements and titles should not be bought.

Why is a stupid title pay to win? it is not like these do anything ingame. Hell even master fisherman the rarest title doesn't do a thing for you.

There are many who see these things that take time and patients as a victory upon completion. No different than any other accomplishment in the game. By offering these victories through cold hard cash they are diminished and pointless to exist.
If someone cannot earn millions of gold by combat spoils or dealings in game it is a lack of skill or effort and should not be rewarded.

Why play a game only to buy your way through it?

Isn't that what those who sit astride the conglomerates of associated trading guilds do?

rotaugen454 · January 2017

Yes

So if I had spent the last three years just farming mats and selling them, that would be "earning" the title?

Dark_Lord_Kuro · January 2017

Yes

As far as i know you can only buy them 1 time per account

If someone buy one of the manor on the crowns store and dont receve the title cuz of crown store it would mean he or she would be locked away from the title for aslong has he or she play with that account

Katahdin · January 2017

People can purchase Vamp and WW along with some of the motifs all have associated achievements.

Really who gives a crap?

Its a title in a video game
Not like your real life status depends on it
#Realworldproblems#

Sovaso · January 2017

Yes

Yes, because nobody cares.

SJD_Phoenix · January 2017

Yes

Too many replies didn't read.

To all those saying you shouldn't be able to "pay to win" you can just as easily buy in game gold with irl money.

Just need to spend a few hours doing questions which most of us that have been around a while have done at least once anyway.

Renoaku_ESO · January 2017

Yes

I want the biggest house ill pay 2 enjoy if I do decide to come back lol...

But I am really not certain yet.

zakfrickb14_ESO · January 2017

Yes

Title is part of thy house purchase in my eyes. You buy the deed, either with real money or in game, you own the land either way, no one is going to care if you spent real money or in game money. Title night as well come with buying with crowns.

leepalmer95 · January 2017

By this train of thought then would all dlc titles be pay to win?