Houses are not the item they are selling. They are selling the framework where they can sell you items that will ve the cost.
The houses won't be expensive (maybe Cavern and Island will), my bet is 5-7.5k Crowns. Then release 1k Crowns furniture bundles and make it a stable income.

They will see how many Crowns subs are sitting on first then they will more than likely go from there.

I said it somewhere before that I wouldnt be surprised to see the manors go for 2 years worth of crowns which is 36K. People thinking they will be 10K which is about 7 months worth are dreaming. I wouldnt be shocked to see the island or the cave one be close to 3 years worth of sub crowns. Of course they could make them slightly lower than that depending on what if any new ones they have on the horizon. If they plan on offering bigger and 'better' ones down the road then they cant over price these ones. But the way these guys think if they will overpay for these they will overpay for the new ones too.

But there are special skinned mounts that are 2500 crowns themselves. So thinking theyre going to price houses for less than that or even twice that for the big ones people are really out of touch.

Houses look to be a reward, not actual content. At least the large ones. As in you have to play the game a long time to get one, at least without spending extra money somewhere be it for more crowns than you would get for a sub or from a gold seller somewhere.

Betheny wrote: »

wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »

As in...spending extra money somewhere be it for more crowns than you would get for a sub or from a gold seller somewhere.

The horrific gold prices are to steer you towards the Crown Store.

Real dollars, not gold, is the real currency.

Also, I hope you're not suggesting ZOS is going to be competing with gold sellers for their customers' attention.

No the players will be deciding which way they want to go. There arent many things in the game that sell for both gold and crowns. Mostly bag space and horse upgrades. But those arent in line with each other so you cant say "x crowns equals x gold" and thus go through X gold equals X amount of 'real life' money.Thats why there is so much guesswork right now trying to giuess. But we do already know how crowns correlate to real life money. So once they do price the houses in crowns we will have a fairly accurate figure. And THEN people will decide on how to get them. And which is cheaper.

But if you dont think ZoS is taking gold seller prices into some account youre pretty naive. They have to. These will be the highest ticket items in the game both in gold and Crowns, at least the things they can directly make money from.

But like i said they will balance all factors...subscribers and their horded 'free' crowns, the in game gold people have, the willingness or unwillingness to risk buying gold from a third party. And some things they know which we dont like over all amount of crowns in the system, the averages and the medians, what people spend and have spent crowns on in the past how many subscribers are also willing to buy crowns etc etc etc/

While this is a 'free' update you can rest assured they have forecast making more money on this one than any of the others simply because subs get the others for free anyway and theyre hoping everyone spends some real money in some way shape or form on housing or furnishing.

Cyrediath wrote: »

Its better to save some money for island. Still wont dump 100 dollars on a house tho.

Really? I looked at the island on PTS and really didn't like it very much at all.

I just hope that the crown cost of housing doesn't cost more than the actual game!!!
You can buy all 4 DLC for 5000 crowns. I really hope ZOS keep this in perspective when pricing the housing. These DLC represent a huge amount of programing work so surely a single house, no matter what its size, cannot cost more than the DLC. If it does then we know that ZOS are just being greedy because there is nothing I have seen that indicates that any individual house should cost more than the DLC pack

Zypheran wrote: »

I just hope that the crown cost of housing doesn't cost more than the actual game!!!
You can buy all 4 DLC for 5000 crowns. I really hope ZOS keep this in perspective when pricing the housing. These DLC represent a huge amount of programing work so surely a single house, no matter what its size, cannot cost more than the DLC. If it does then we know that ZOS are just being greedy because there is nothing I have seen that indicates that any individual house should cost more than the DLC pack

Thats the thing most of players agree.

Betheny wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

They want people buying a lot of Crowns for that manor, which is why I think it will be priced in the 9k-12k range.

If they increase the cost of their biggest ticket item in the Crown Store then they'll need to start selling larger Crown Packs to cover its cost fully.

Well, the reason I say 9k-12k range is that 9k is how much you get for 180 days of ESO Plus. I am figuring that the unfurnished one will be at the low end. This can be a way to get people into ESO Plus, which has other benefits for housing.

I suspect we will get a (long overdue) crown sale either a 40 or 50% off and maybe even a new tier. Something like 12500 for 99.99. That would seem pretty obvious. But then again...

But yeah when you see 4500 crown mounts and 5000 crown personal bankers and merchants and 1000 crowns for 10 bag slots it would put it more in perspective for some I guess.

But without any real perks like Auction House access or storage, houses are really just absolute fluff. So that has to be considered as well.

Add storage and zone wide auctioneers (separate from the guild ones) THEN you might see more people willing to pay premium prices. But right now houses arent really worth anything except a total gold sink for guys who have more than they can spend on anything else.

Cyrediath wrote: »

wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »

I suspect we will get a (long overdue) crown sale either a 40 or 50% off and maybe even a new tier. Something like 12500 for 99.99. That would seem pretty obvious. But then again...

But yeah when you see 4500 crown mounts and 5000 crown personal bankers and merchants and 1000 crowns for 10 bag slots it would put it more in perspective for some I guess.

But without any real perks like Auction House access or storage, houses are really just absolute fluff. So that has to be considered as well.

Add storage and zone wide auctioneers (separate from the guild ones) THEN you might see more people willing to pay premium prices. But right now houses arent really worth anything except a total gold sink for guys who have more than they can spend on anything else.

I think crown exclusive houses without furnishing will be really cheap. 10.000 max because literally you will have nothi g after you buy it ^^ and chairs tables etc they are like 150-200-50 crowns some of them cannot be crafted in game i guess. You should pay another 5.000 crowns to buy 20-30 items so yea un furnished will not be expensive imo.

I don't think it's possible to decide if I will buy a house (or houses) with crowns until we know what they cost. But in the meantime I'm deciding what my budget is.

At the moment I'm thinking I'll allow myself £10 or about 2,500 crowns to spend on housing. If I can get a house I want for that then I'll get a house. If not then I'll 'save' the allowance until I can afford a house with gold, then use it to buy furniture which I really want and either can't find in game or which seems disproportionately expensive. (Probably rugs and tapestries since I want the medium orc house but also like colour.)

That's what I do with a lot of things - decide what I think it's worth to me, then if it costs less than that I get it, if it costs more than I decide it's not worth it. (Which is how I have a clouded senche-leopard and not an elk.) And in this case it helps that it's not an all or nothing deal, because anything I don't get with crowns I can get with gold instead. (Except the cave and island which I don't want.)

Cyrediath wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I don't think it's possible to decide if I will buy a house (or houses) with crowns until we know what they cost. But in the meantime I'm deciding what my budget is.

At the moment I'm thinking I'll allow myself £10 or about 2,500 crowns to spend on housing. If I can get a house I want for that then I'll get a house. If not then I'll 'save' the allowance until I can afford a house with gold, then use it to buy furniture which I really want and either can't find in game or which seems disproportionately expensive. (Probably rugs and tapestries since I want the medium orc house but also like colour.)

That's what I do with a lot of things - decide what I think it's worth to me, then if it costs less than that I get it, if it costs more than I decide it's not worth it. (Which is how I have a clouded senche-leopard and not an elk.) And in this case it helps that it's not an all or nothing deal, because anything I don't get with crowns I can get with gold instead. (Except the cave and island which I don't want.)

Yea lots of people thinking like you. Thats why i said if zos keeps crown exclusive/house prices reasonable more people will buy and zos will earn more and everyone will be happy.

It seems that way to me too.

If I can't buy a house with crowns they'll be waiting for me to save up 325,000g, and then find specific furnishings which are "must haves" AND decide I won't be able to find them in-game before that money starts to trickle in. And for all I know I'll stop playing or get bored with houses before that happens, or just settle for furnishings I can find. Whereas if I can afford a house for that they get the full lot up-front (and more actually, since I always buy 5,500 crown packs, I'll just save the other crowns for something else).

So to me it seems like making the houses "reasonably" priced will actually make more money than making them expensive. Of course reasonable is subjective. To me £10 for a medium house seems reasonable, to someone else it may be too expensive and to a 3rd person it may be absurdly cheap and they'd happily pay far more (I've seen some people suggest $100+, or about £80 as a 'fair' price for a manor or even a large house). But I'm sure ZOS have the data to know what players typically spend and some idea of what they'd likely to consider reasonable prices here.

But I wouldn't be surprised at all if they go the other way and make them extremely expensive. Either because they think people will pay it anyway and they'll make more by squeezing a few big spenders than by opening it up to everyone, or because some people at ZOS are seeing this update primarily as a gold sink and want to actively discourage buying houses with crowns. (Whereas buying furniture with crowns would be encouraged, because otherwise you're most likely paying it to another player and then it stays in the economy.)

I don't know, there's so many factors (many of them unknown or unclear) that I've given up trying to guess what the prices will be or even what the logic behind it might be. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the crown prices are so expensive that even if I hadn't set a budget buying a house that way would be absolutely out of the question. (That's what happened with the elk, I really liked it, only had a vague idea of what I'd pay but when it was released I was absolutely sure I wouldn't pay that.)

But I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.

Anyone thinking that an unfurnished manor will cost 5500 crowns is going to be severely disappointed, I would say 11000 is also quite optimistic.

Here two facts that we can use to even remotely try to base what the crown prices will be:

1. A single purple quality goblet cost 400 crowns
2. A fully furnished manor if you were to buy all the furnishing individually from the crown store costs between 30000-63000 crowns

So maybe unfurnished housing will be at a somewhat "reasonable" price and fully furnished will be 2/3/4x more than house itself added on top. I mean lets say the most furnished manor goes for 30000 crowns that a 33000 saving on the furniture alone, that's doesn't even factor in the cost of the manor.

I have to say that before housing came to PTS and we had little info, I was insanely excited and I was willing to shell out a decent amount of crowns for a house.

Now that I've been on PTS and see what we're actually getting combined with insane furniture prices and ridiculous mat requirements for crafting furniture, my excitement has dropped to almost nothing.

It's a big disappointment, too, because I've been waiting for this for a very long time, anticipating so much more. I got spoiled with another MMO's housing/dimensions and the freedom to do what you want, the easy way to get furniture, and even their store prices for furniture/landscaping were reasonable. The downfall with them and the reason I left was those RNG boxes. While they existed for many things in the game, the housing RNG boxes are what turned me off most because housing was all I was interested in. Granted, from what I hear, they're getting better with what you get in those boxes, though, so I may look back into them if ESO housing really doesn't improve just to take care of my housing itch. Would still play ESO, though, because it's still the best MMO out there at the moment for me as far as general gameplay.

Sigh. I wish I would learn not to get so excited about things. I should know better by now.