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[Crowns] Home Prices
Cyrediath
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Hello, since zos published pts and gold prices of the houses, there are people considering buying houses with crowns. Will zos ever publish the cost of the houses in crowns or wait until the patch arrival date?
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Jim_Pipp✭✭✭✭✭
✭Crowns prices are announced just before the item goes on sale (even crown store showcases don't list prices- the price is released the day items go into crown store).
A cynic may think this is done so they can judge players reactions on forums and social media to price accordingly... so when we show enthusiasm for Crown items on the forums we are actually screwing ourselves (which certainly makes me feel appreciated).#1 tip (Re)check your graphics settings periodically - especially resolution.8 -
Cyrediath✭✭✭Crowns prices are announced just before the item goes on sale (even crown store showcases don't list prices- the price is released the day items go into crown store).
A cynic may think this is done so they can judge players reactions on forums and social media to price accordingly... so when we show enthusiasm for Crown items on the forums we are actually screwing ourselves (which certainly makes me feel appreciated).
I see. I also think that they are doing this to make people pumped about release. If they make more than 10-15k for crown exclusive island and cave i think very few people will buy it. But if they make it lets say 10k more people will buy it and both zos and player base will be happy...0 -
Cyrediath✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »If they price them reasonably they would surely make more money
I agree. Make the cave 10k i will buy it. Make it 20k no way never ever. And i think there will be more than x2 people buying it with 10k crowns so they will make more momey and more people will be happy.1 -
SantieClaws✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We all said the lower price means more sales thing with the elk business.
We seemed to just shout into the empty night air with that one ...
Khajiit is not at all optimistic with the crown prices of houses. The selling rule seems to be price it at whatever you think you can get away with.
Yours with paws
Santie clawsShunrr's Skooma Oasis - The Movie. A housing video like no other ...
Find it here - https://youtube.com/user/wenxue2222
Clan Claws - now recruiting khajiit and like minded others for parties, fishing and other khajiit stuff. Contact this one for an invite.
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White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Really like the island retreat but in reality it will be some cardboard box in some dark damp ally in wayrest2 -
SantieClaws✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »Really like the island retreat but in reality it will be some cardboard box in some dark damp ally in wayrest
Mr Wabbit if you are in EU PC Tamriel khajiit would be happy for you to occasionally sleep on the floor of her business premises at The Rosy Lion.
In return of course for your silence as to the nature of the business this one she conducts.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Shunrr's Skooma Oasis - The Movie. A housing video like no other ...
Find it here - https://youtube.com/user/wenxue2222
Clan Claws - now recruiting khajiit and like minded others for parties, fishing and other khajiit stuff. Contact this one for an invite.
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
https://www.imperialtradingcompany.eu/5 -
Cyrediath✭✭✭SantieClaws wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Really like the island retreat but in reality it will be some cardboard box in some dark damp ally in wayrest
Mr Wabbit if you are in EU PC Tamriel khajiit would be happy for you to occasionally sleep on the floor of her business premises at The Rosy Lion.
In return of course for your silence as to the nature of the business this one she conducts.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Im on eu pc! I would sleep on floor if you sill have training dummy to make dps tests!0 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SantieClaws wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Really like the island retreat but in reality it will be some cardboard box in some dark damp ally in wayrest
Mr Wabbit if you are in EU PC Tamriel khajiit would be happy for you to occasionally sleep on the floor of her business premises at The Rosy Lion.
In return of course for your silence as to the nature of the business this one she conducts.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Tempting offer but sadly for my sins I'm on Eu Xbox0 -
SantieClaws✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SantieClaws wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Really like the island retreat but in reality it will be some cardboard box in some dark damp ally in wayrest
Mr Wabbit if you are in EU PC Tamriel khajiit would be happy for you to occasionally sleep on the floor of her business premises at The Rosy Lion.
In return of course for your silence as to the nature of the business this one she conducts.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Im on eu pc! I would sleep on floor if you sill have training dummy to make dps tests!
The room at The Rosy Lion is most compact. Khajiit thinks it not wise to place a training skeleton in the same room as she sleeps. Waking up after a keg or two of the finest, cheapest ale and seeing that at the end of the bed ...
Not so good.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Shunrr's Skooma Oasis - The Movie. A housing video like no other ...
Find it here - https://youtube.com/user/wenxue2222
Clan Claws - now recruiting khajiit and like minded others for parties, fishing and other khajiit stuff. Contact this one for an invite.
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
https://www.imperialtradingcompany.eu/9 -
Jim_Pipp✭✭✭✭✭
✭SantieClaws wrote: »SantieClaws wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Really like the island retreat but in reality it will be some cardboard box in some dark damp ally in wayrest
Mr Wabbit if you are in EU PC Tamriel khajiit would be happy for you to occasionally sleep on the floor of her business premises at The Rosy Lion.
In return of course for your silence as to the nature of the business this one she conducts.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Im on eu pc! I would sleep on floor if you sill have training dummy to make dps tests!
The room at The Rosy Lion is most compact. Khajiit thinks it not wise to place a training skeleton in the same room as she sleeps. Waking up after a keg or two of the finest, cheapest ale and seeing that at the end of the bed ...
Not so good.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Ahh the voice of experience.#1 tip (Re)check your graphics settings periodically - especially resolution.1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »If they price them reasonably they would surely make more money
I think the price will depend on what they want people to do.
If they want to drain gold from the game, then I think they will price the non-manor houses at a very high Crown price to try to get people to spend gold instead of Crowns. But I think the manors will be very expensive regardless.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭White wabbit wrote: »If they price them reasonably they would surely make more money
I think the price will depend on what they want people to do.
If they want to drain gold from the game, then I think they will price the non-manor houses at a very high Crown price to try to get people to spend gold instead of Crowns. But I think the manors will be very expensive regardless.
Yes because having your customers pour fake cash down the server drain instead of spending real dollars for your business is going to make your shareholders really happy
Edited by Betheny on January 6, 2017 1:30PM0 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭White wabbit wrote: »If they price them reasonably they would surely make more money
I think the price will depend on what they want people to do.
If they want to drain gold from the game, then I think they will price the non-manor houses at a very high Crown price to try to get people to spend gold instead of Crowns. But I think the manors will be very expensive regardless.
Guess time to go rob the kids piggy banks then0 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If I had to theorize I would say that it will be less $/crowns than what you can buy the same amount of gold from a gold seller.
I don't know the prices of gold on gold sellers, but if it was $100 for 1,000,000 gold then the ~1,000,000 gold houses will be less than 10,000 crowns.
They will want to pocket the money, not encourage players to buy gold to buy the houses...
my 2 cents...Playing since beta...2 -
Cyrediath✭✭✭ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »If I had to theorize I would say that it will be less $/crowns than what you can buy the same amount of gold from a gold seller.
I don't know the prices of gold on gold sellers, but if it was $100 for 1,000,000 gold then the ~1,000,000 gold houses will be less than 10,000 crowns.
They will want to pocket the money, not encourage players to buy gold to buy the houses...
my 2 cents...
My guess is 5k for large and Manors will be 10k and crown exclusives will be 15k (100$) i guess this will be expensive enough for zos to make money and affordable by some players.
Anything above 15k for crown exclusives, makes me not want to buy. I would buy battlefield 1 premium with all dlcs and unlimited pass for a same price and be perfectly happy knowing that i wont pay even a penny after that.
Also after buying house you will buy furnitures and mats maybe and other stuff i think zos will make a lot money from there so unfurnished crown exclusive 10k to 15k.1 -
I would hope for reasonable crown prices
Small:1000
Med:1500
Large:2500
Manors:5000
Something like that. Considering that is real world money. As it is the in game gold prices are way too high. If they make the cash option as high, then I see a mass exodus or not many people partaking in this content.5 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SantieClaws wrote: »We all said the lower price means more sales thing with the elk business.
We seemed to just shout into the empty night air with that one ...
Khajiit is not at all optimistic with the crown prices of houses. The selling rule seems to be price it at whatever you think you can get away with.
Yours with paws
Santie claws
I dunno, they need to make the Crown prices more attractive than the gold prices, so I'm somewhat optimistic. We shall see.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭I usually hype stuff up that they are planning to sell offering to pay mad crowns for new offers. I actually have no intention of buying as I'm a free to play guy, but I am hoping to lift their offers so they can keep the game running longer and I can continue to play. I am sure they have margin of error calculated into their pricing scheme to account for the aberrant behaviors, like any stats freshman would include, but I have to do my part.“Whatever.”
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Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
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Some people will have a harder time parting with nearly 4 million gold than they would with a few thousand crowns.SantieClaws wrote: »We all said the lower price means more sales thing with the elk business.
We seemed to just shout into the empty night air with that one ...
Khajiit is not at all optimistic with the crown prices of houses. The selling rule seems to be price it at whatever you think you can get away with.
Yours with paws
Santie claws
I dunno, they need to make the Crown prices more attractive than the gold prices, so I'm somewhat optimistic. We shall see.
You can't buy a shiny red nose in the crown store to decorate your elk. That's a one time purchase.
You will be able to buy loads of things in the crown store to decorate your house. It's the purchase that keeps on giving (to ZOS). So I think the house prices themselves won't be too outrageous- they want you to buy the houses so you keep coming back to the crown store to buy more stuff to decorate them.
Besides I'm pretty sure they only sold the elk so they can say it was available in the store once before they stick it and all of the inevitable recolors in the crown crates.Edited by Slurg on January 6, 2017 4:57PMHappy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
Remembering better days of less RNG in all the things.3 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »If they price them reasonably they would surely make more money
I think the price will depend on what they want people to do.
If they want to drain gold from the game, then I think they will price the non-manor houses at a very high Crown price to try to get people to spend gold instead of Crowns. But I think the manors will be very expensive regardless.
Yes because having your customers pour fake cash down the server drain instead of spending real dollars for your business is going to make your shareholders really happy
You need to look at the bigger picture.
If people blow all their gold on houses, they have less gold to spend on things like, say, motifs, or smaller houses which are also sold in the Crown Store.
Better yet: You can't buy fully furnished houses with gold, and furniture is sold for Crowns straight from the house editor.
Strangely enough, people often don't realize how much they are paying when they don't pay all at once, and end up spending more overall.Edited by Abeille on January 6, 2017 5:33PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭White wabbit wrote: »If they price them reasonably they would surely make more money
I think the price will depend on what they want people to do.
If they want to drain gold from the game, then I think they will price the non-manor houses at a very high Crown price to try to get people to spend gold instead of Crowns. But I think the manors will be very expensive regardless.
Yes because having your customers pour fake cash down the server drain instead of spending real dollars for your business is going to make your shareholders really happy
Strangely enough, people often don't realize how much they are paying when they don't pay all at once, and end up spending more overall.
Looks like I don't think like a people then
I mean, if I have to go back and forth buying Crown Packs one by one to buy something, not only do I stop to question my motivations there, but I also get bored with the awkwardness of it all and have to take a break from the stupidity.
They cannot make something cost more than the cost of their largest Crown Packs, that's like a basic rule of selling things in a cash shop.Edited by Betheny on January 7, 2017 1:30AM0 -
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✭✭Each manor can't be more than the cost of their biggest Crown Pack, which is 5500.
Either they make bigger Crown Packs or keep the costs to below the 5500 mark, as they can't expect people to buy several Crown Packs at once, slowly and painfully one by one each transaction, just to buy one single item.4 -
Cyrediath✭✭✭Each manor can't be more than the cost of their biggest Crown Pack, which is 5500.
Either they make bigger Crown Packs or keep the costs to below the 5500 mark, as they can't expect people to buy several Crown Packs at once, slowly and painfully one by one each transaction, just to buy one single item.
Thats true actually. And also 5.500 price is the price of all dlc packs together so it shouldnt be more than that. More people will buy houses with crowns like this. If zos goes all greedy and make manors and crown exclusives really expensive like 15k they will loose lots of costumer. People that were planning to buy them with crowns, they wont buy because of the high prices.
Lets say i bough a crown exclusive cave for 5.500 unfurnished, then i gotta spend lots of hours / gold / crowns again to make it personalized because i buy that house to be my home so ofc i will spend more on it. And maybe i also will buy other houses? And im okay with dmall transictions like i buy the house for 5.500 and next month i buy furnitures. But i wont wait for 2 months and collecting money just to buy crown. And 5.5k 40bucks aint cheap in some countries.1 -
Bryanonymous✭✭✭✭✭As I just wrote in another thread, because the houses are in direct competition with in game currency, they must remain realistically affordable. Combine that logic with the fact that nothing has ever been priced higher than the single largest crown pack, and my guess is one manor will cost 5500 crowns. Remember, they want to actually sell these things, not make them impossible to get like the crate items.Edited by Bryanonymous on January 7, 2017 9:35AM2
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Cyrediath✭✭✭Bryanonymous wrote: »As I just wrote in another thread, because the houses are in direct competition with in game currency, they must remain realistically affordable. Combine that logic with the fact that nothing has ever been priced higher than the single largest crown pack, and my guess is one manor will cost 5500 crowns. Remember, they want to actually sell these things, not make them impossible to get like the crate items.
Yea and yhe point is, its not like selling a real house. You have one house to sell and you wsnt best offer ofc but in this case you have infinite amount of houses. No limit. So you want to sell as much as possible.
People talking about whales. If you keep the price reasonable, whales will buy other houses too.
If someone has 10k crowns and if you make manor 5 k this guy will buy 2. And also people eho can afford 5k will buy. But if you make manor 10k only some people who can afford will buy it and thats all. I dont think thats what eso wants.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »If they price them reasonably they would surely make more money
I think the price will depend on what they want people to do.
If they want to drain gold from the game, then I think they will price the non-manor houses at a very high Crown price to try to get people to spend gold instead of Crowns. But I think the manors will be very expensive regardless.
Yes because having your customers pour fake cash down the server drain instead of spending real dollars for your business is going to make your shareholders really happy
ZOS is a privately owned company, which means they don't have shareholders in the conventional sense. The people who benefit from their profits are also the ones running the company and therefore the game. Which means they have an interest in keeping it going as long as possible - they can't simply sell their shares and buy something else if it starts going badly, they'd have to find new jobs too, with a failed company on their resume.
A healthy economy is important to keep an MMO going long-term and rampant inflation (which is what happens when there's more gold coming in that going out) is not good for the health of the economy. Gold coming into the economy is pretty much inevitable - it happens every time someone complete a quest, almost every time they kill an enemy, every time they sell an item to a merchant etc. (gold from other players doesn't count because that was already in the economy).
So basically housing is a win/win for ZOS - either players spend real money and the companies profits go up, or they spend gold which helps curb inflation and gives that player an incentive to go out and earn more gold - which means keep playing.
I'm hopeful that they're aiming for a mix of both, which means crown store prices won't be too crazy. But I wouldn't be surprised if they do make them massively over priced.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"1 -
Betheny✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭White wabbit wrote: »If they price them reasonably they would surely make more money
I think the price will depend on what they want people to do.
If they want to drain gold from the game, then I think they will price the non-manor houses at a very high Crown price to try to get people to spend gold instead of Crowns. But I think the manors will be very expensive regardless.
Yes because having your customers pour fake cash down the server drain instead of spending real dollars for your business is going to make your shareholders really happy
ZOS is a privately owned company, which means they don't have shareholders in the conventional sense.
I was aware of that already, just used term "shareholders" to get point across.
I would ask you to read other points made in this thread.
And another point beyond not charging more than top Crown Pack prices per item, it's unlikely they are more concerned about the game economy than their own economy, so will be directing us to buy from the Crown store rather than spend gold. Except for those people who only have gold and no actual money I would expect buying from the Crown store will be the preferred and encouraged route.
You can see this clearly with the difficulty of crafting furnishings vs buying from the Crown store.
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Cyrediath✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »If they price them reasonably they would surely make more money
I think the price will depend on what they want people to do.
If they want to drain gold from the game, then I think they will price the non-manor houses at a very high Crown price to try to get people to spend gold instead of Crowns. But I think the manors will be very expensive regardless.
Yes because having your customers pour fake cash down the server drain instead of spending real dollars for your business is going to make your shareholders really happy
ZOS is a privately owned company, which means they don't have shareholders in the conventional sense.
I was aware of that already, just used term "shareholders" to get point across.
I would ask you to read other points made in this thread.
And another point beyond not charging more than top Crown Pack prices per item, it's unlikely they are more concerned about the game economy than their own economy, so will be directing us to buy from the Crown store rather than spend gold. Except for those people who only have gold and no actual money I would expect buying from the Crown store will be the preferred and encouraged route.
You can see this clearly with the difficulty of crafting furnishings vs buying from the Crown store.
That crafting example. Exactly!
Also from the player side, i think more than 30% atleast (my experience) are people that are working and playing eso after work in the evening. So intead of going out to eat 1-2 days a crown exclusive house can be bought if you are really into it. So 5.500 seems reasonable for unfurnished crown exclusive. Good start point with a sacrifice.
If it becomes more exoensive i think that would hurt most players and end up less sales.1