Does Incapaciting Strike need a nerf for update 13?

Bashev · January 2017

Yes

The cost should be increased or the healing debuf should be removed. There is no other ultimate that gives so many things. Increased damage, healing debuff, stun + nice damage. On top of that it is super cheap and this synergize very well with NB passive.

Dracindo · January 2017

No

Bashev wrote: »

The cost should be increased or the healing debuf should be removed. There is no other ultimate that gives so many things. Increased damage, healing debuff, stun + nice damage. On top of that it is super cheap and this synergize very well with NB passive.

Your signature seems to disagree with you.

In case you've changed it: "Nothing but the best is good enough!"

The_Protagonist · January 2017

No

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

Increase cost to 75 and make it undodgeable.

While you're at it -- make leap undodgeable as well.

Oh heck yes! I'll gladly take a 25 point increase in order to make it undodgeable.

If we are talking about cost increase, Then I want

an execution bonus damage along with a massive DoT; this is in addition to the original damage and debuff.

Too many posts about Nerfs these days, lets change the tide and talk about balanced Buffs.

Bashev · January 2017

Yes

Dracindo wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

The cost should be increased or the healing debuf should be removed. There is no other ultimate that gives so many things. Increased damage, healing debuff, stun + nice damage. On top of that it is super cheap and this synergize very well with NB passive.

Your signature seems to disagree with you.

In case you've changed it: "Nothing but the best is good enough!"

I dont main a NB

. Now lets be serious. The skill is OP, it gives too much. The ppl who said that is dodgable never played vs a good NB. If this skill is used after fear it is not possible to be dodge. Because there is a delay between your breakfree and the roll dodge. Till the server receive the information that you breakfree the ulti is already executed.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

No

Go ahead an tell ZOS to nerf it . Wrobel will just end up nerfing Storm Astronarch , Nova and Corrosive Armor in response . That's how it works around here .

Knootewoot · January 2017

No

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Can you stop nerfing nightblade please . It's a funeral already for Magblades this update . I know you guys hate being ganked but this is a class that does not do much else . Those proc sets need to be incinerated but stop gutting classes to address power creep , it's backwards thinking .

Indeed. I will still try it out, but i guess it's time to retire my melee light armored magblade who occasionally relied on swallow soul for ranged attacks.

nothing has been balanced. The power has shifted more to stamina. Except they nerfed it for PvE and PvP stays the same.

Im a bit pissed, but the housing looks great though

Actually_Goku · January 2017

Yes

Just a small one - put the cost up from 50 to 65, for example. Not a damage nerf, but enough where it doesn't act as an extra execute, or a 6th skill.

SnubbS · January 2017

Bashev wrote: »

The cost should be increased or the healing debuf should be removed. There is no other ultimate that gives so many things. Increased damage, healing debuff, stun + nice damage. On top of that it is super cheap and this synergize very well with NB passive.

ESO needs more heal debuffs not less.

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2017

No

Its suppose to be strong 1v1. Its the assassination ultimate for talos sake.

Why is it Incap that gets a bad wrap? Does no one remember when Enchants suddenly got increased by 300%? What about proc sets having insane amounts of damage (even when they don't crit its still high).

This ultimate is dodge-able. Dawnbreaker is un-dodge-able, does double the damage (20% more to vamp/werewolf) and can potentially hit 10+ people if they are in the radius. If anything attention should be brought to dawnbreaker.

Now i understand where this thread is coming from and why people always complain about nightblades. They are the greifers of cryodill. Killing you without you knowing what happend. It didnt used to be like this, ganking wasnt always one-shots but because of power creep thats where we stand now.

In my opinion there are many other areas in the game that were ruined because of power creep that have made Incap stick out because it does high burst damage at a low cost.

ArchMikem · January 2017

No

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Can we nerf the champion system instead and then re-instate some form of softcaps so that we don't have to keep nerfing things?

Seconded. I prefer things simpler anyway.

FloppyTouch · January 2017

Yes

Laughing hard at the people saying NB has the highest learning curve. Please the class is so easy to play it's pathetic. Only class that I think is easier is a magic templar.

I just think they need to raise the ult cost a little or remove the stun but not both

Bashev · January 2017

Yes

SnubbS wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

The cost should be increased or the healing debuf should be removed. There is no other ultimate that gives so many things. Increased damage, healing debuff, stun + nice damage. On top of that it is super cheap and this synergize very well with NB passive.

ESO needs more heal debuffs not less.

I agree. But if the ulti keeps all the utilities then the cost should be increased. You can get healing debuf from 1h/s skill line or from the bow line as the other stamina classes do.

bottleofsyrup · January 2017

No

The only issue I have is it never lets me break free from it even with a full bar of stam.

Riga_Mortis · January 2017

No

Try learning to counter skills rather than crying for more nerfs on the forums.

leepalmer95 · January 2017

Yes

Increase ult cost to 75.

Change the cc to how it used to be, it's cc's if the caster is lower hp than the target.

Draxys · January 2017

Yes

Yea but only in the form of a cost increase. With potions passive and combat frenzy, getting another quickly is far too easy.

The_Protagonist · January 2017

No

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Laughing hard at the people saying NB has the highest learning curve. Please the class is so easy to play it's pathetic. Only class that I think is easier is a magic templar.

I just think they need to raise the ult cost a little or remove the stun but not both

Everything becomes easy after mastering it.

And yes some people were born knowing how to be Gud. I wouldn't be surprised if they said that they crawled out with controllers in their hands...

Unfortunately it's not the same for the majority, they have to learn to git-gud like I did. And yet I have so much more to learn.

All the same everyone is entitled to their opinion and have the right to think they are the only ones in the human race who know anything.

Cheers

zuto40 · January 2017

No

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Laughing hard at the people saying NB has the highest learning curve. Please the class is so easy to play it's pathetic. Only class that I think is easier is a magic templar.

I just think they need to raise the ult cost a little or remove the stun but not both

I'll hop on my health regeneration DK, you make a stamblade 1v1 loser deletes all his characters permanently

The_Protagonist · January 2017

No

zuto40 wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Laughing hard at the people saying NB has the highest learning curve. Please the class is so easy to play it's pathetic. Only class that I think is easier is a magic templar.

I just think they need to raise the ult cost a little or remove the stun but not both

I'll hop on my health regeneration DK, you make a stamblade 1v1 loser deletes all his characters permanently

^^ This

Tryxus · January 2017

No

Nah, just revert the changes to the knockdown at most. No increase in ulti cost though, otherwise Templars would grow out of control

FloppyTouch · January 2017

Yes

zuto40 wrote: »

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Laughing hard at the people saying NB has the highest learning curve. Please the class is so easy to play it's pathetic. Only class that I think is easier is a magic templar.

I just think they need to raise the ult cost a little or remove the stun but not both

I'll hop on my health regeneration DK, you make a stamblade 1v1 loser deletes all his characters permanently

What?

White wabbit · January 2017

Yes

Stamblade have to be one of the reasons people are wearing heavy in PvP ! So sort stamblades out and I'm sure loads would drop heavy armor which in its own is causing issues in PvP

ZOS_JohanaB · January 2017

Removed a few excessively rude comments from this thread. Please remember while you do not have to agree with each other you are expected to be respectful of one another.

Rex-Umbra · January 2017

ZOS logic, Incapacitating Strike bit OP let's nerf strife which was only used by sap tanks which can't afford the cost increase.

Paneross · January 2017

Yes

White wabbit wrote: »

Stamblade have to be one of the reasons people are wearing heavy in PvP ! So sort stamblades out and I'm sure loads would drop heavy armor which in its own is causing issues in PvP

This is the most true statement. Ppl crying over Heavy Armor. Stamblades are the reason for this.....

Dakrana_Thrazvoth · January 2017

No

andreasranasen wrote: »

Too much of this in PvP:
Ambush --> 18k Incap --> Viper + Veli proc = 0 skill...

Be honest, only nightblade gankers with very high weapon crit and weapon damages can hit so much with incap strike and if your opponent wear zero impen armor pieces.

Proc sets are the real problem, not incap strike.

GawdSB · January 2017

Yes

Honestly wouldn't care if they made nightblades unplayable, worst most annoying class in the game.

unhander_2 wrote: »

GawdSB wrote: »

Honestly wouldn't care if they made nightblades unplayable, worst most annoying class in the game.

Nightblades are one of the most difficult classes to master, I can understand that the steep learning curve is quite annoying for folks that don't like difficult things in life.

Lmaoo

MaxwellC · January 2017

Yes

ArchMikem wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Increase cost to 150.
You can literally use this ability in a fight and if it doesn't kill them so be it, just drink a potion and boom back to 50 you go.
The ultimate hits like onslaught (which hits like a truck sometimes) yet it costs 50 Applies major defile, stuns target on impact + increasing all of your damage from any source by 20% for 6 seconds lmao?? This skill needed to be increased to 150 a long time ago.

Except many can mitigate it, and many can simply dodge it, making the ultimate practically worthless. Raising the cost that much without doing anything else would be an insult.

@ArchMikem
Ok and so can onslaught, and leap yet those costs are much higher than Incap. You act like every other ultimate can't be dodged or mitigated. That isn't a good enough reason why it shouldn't go to 150 especially when like I said it hits like onslaught + you get 20% damage that buffs any source of your damage so even with viper or veli in that 6 seconds it procs well there goes 20% more damage.

I mean if you're gonna make that statement at-least make a good one. Take Flight doesn't apply any other debuffs or buffs me yet it costs much higher that incap and deals less damage than incap. By the way in case you forgot every ultimate aside from meteor (which can only be mitigated) can be dodged, I still can't believe that was your reasoning lmao..

dotme · January 2017

No

It's an Alliance WAR. Players die, whether due to being picked off by a NB, rooted and incinerated by a Sorc, or rolled over by a zerg. All part of the game.

Thornen · January 2017

Yes

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Get imp trait on armor and live through it. Proc sets shouldn't get this skill nerfed.

It's not proc sets that would get this skill nerf, it's the fact that it overperforms for the cost by a boatload.

50 ult, hard cc, heal debuff and target takes more dmg.

On a nb that can pot after using this and use it again almost instantly....