Star_Carrier wrote: »

Extremely disappointed in the change to Dragons Blood. It's far to unreliable to use in pvp with this change. Not matter what heal you could "potentially" get from it, if I'm at full magicka and need health I'm dead.

Even if you had 15% magicka, healed yourself to full, then what? DK would stand there with d*ck in hand ready to do sh*t all to an enemy. Unless of course we are expected to pop an ult or potion every time we use coag blood effectively. Both of which are needed for other things, like regular resource management and killing people...

ValkynSketha wrote: »

I don't know who is responsible for combat and balancing, but pls make him take lessons or fire him.

His name is litterally everywhere when you join a complaint thread .
Anyway...
Time to test tonight so i can ragequit my dk again

Pointless heal change minor 5% on skill offset by nerf to ult. Not quite the massive DK buff we were looking for.

Dragon blood is rubbish, tested it in duels. Just revert it back for the sake of PvE. Rest of the buffs are great.

And nothing for the stamdks except a cut in our dps as pointed out on page 1. Total crap, looks like this game is reverting to Elder Staves Online where everyone rolls magicka for damage.

Im truly disappointed in your change to leap. The fire change sucks seeing as Im probably one of the few actually running it in pvp and Im stam. But the fact that you FAILED to address the underlying issues with it that I laid out here recently: Fix Dragon Leap for #^%@# sake. It mis-fires, is stun-able, ect. I'll probably run it even if its fire damage but for the love of god fix it because at the moment it is broken.

After Testing out Dragon's blood here's what I feel needs to happen.

If you want to keep this skill as a percentage then make it scale off of your max health while allowing it to crit. The fact that I have to be around 40% (that's when I was getting around 5.6k heals at 30k max magicka on a testing character) is pretty annoying. It makes me feel that I am to sacrifice around 2.8k magicka at 12k magicka to get a heal that if major defiled would be completely horrible and a waste of magic.
It would simply be better for me to stick to the current way of healing ward + burning ember spam.

Ferocious leap is perfect but please do remember that the gap closers for both version of this ultimate is clearly broken as it will waste it even on PTS when rooted or if the target runs out of range you'll see the wings go off while the ultimate gone. It's also still being dodged if the player runs away from the ultimate (doesn't say the ability was dodged or missed but it just doesn't do damage).

Flame Lash is definitely strong and does considerable amount of damage (this was tested against a max CP player who used 5 heavy 1 med 1 light, not sure if it matters but he was a high elf templar using sword n shield for reverb). I'm on a 300 CP character still putting in the damage which was great to see even though it still hits pretty good prior to this incoming buff (IMO when using sets like burning spell + scathing).

Standard of Might did some damage increases that was noticeable but the damage received I didn't really notice a difference as it was a PvE mainly thing I used but in PvP still wouldn't use or recommend using it unless you're tanking for a group.


All other things I feel still need to be addressed.

Flames of Oblivion (more preference) needs to go back to an AoE, it does good damage now but 5 seconds for it to hit is annoying + I use to have it on my mag dk to find enemies who were hiding. I would like for it to go back as an AoE but if not an applied DoT would be nice too.

Cauterize - Please get rid of this ability and make it a different one maybe a life stealing ground AoE that damages an enemy while stealing their health when they're being damaged or maybe even giving back resources if they stand in the AoE. It could be a pool of lava similar to the destro staffs elemental blockade.

Unrelenting grip - Please make this a stamina taunt that applies minor breech/minor fracture.

Noxious breath - Please get rid of the delay it does also fix the issue where it doesn't apply a debuff on an enemy that isn't buffed and if somehow make it easier to aim with because it misses an enemy when I use it right in front of their face.

Talons and other soft CCs - Please apply immunity when using talons or encase or bombard (you get the picture) have you ever been soft cc'd in place so badly that you cannot move? I mean it's literally ridiculous that this still happens, it shouldn't be a thing whatsoever.

Ash cloud and morphs - increase it's diameter by 2 meters. While Cinderstorm could get back it's major evasion??

Battle Roar: Does it affect your health you receive while in PvP because I'm almost certain that it does + the changes said it will now display the values you will receive when using an ultimate. Has these values always been current ( 21 for health/stam and 54 or something close for magicka upon ultimate usage)? If not please return the original values.

Helping Hands - Please give 10% back in stamina when using an earthen heart ability, the class that's built around sustain currently lacks the best sustain just saying..

I do have a lot of unrelated DK abilities that I want to see changed but I will not list them here. The soft CCs was an exception as talons is considered to be one.

I tested it in cyrodiil.
It's really not that bad as you might think.
I hav 43k magicka, my 19.2k heal was with around 25% magicka.
When I cast a shield at full magicka and then use dragon blood it heals already for around 5k.

Consider that you get crits now!

43k magicka - if I have like 50% its 21.5k magicka missing, 33% of it is 7095 heal.
Now 50% less: 3547 heal
+12% draconic ability
+25% minor mending
+ 8% coagulating blood
+ 5% champion points
=+50% --> 5321 heal
now it can crit, so +64%
--> 8726 heal

with heavy armor even more.

but believe me, somehow it is healing way more than it says...I am not sure if battle spirit is really affecting it. For me it looks pretty OP - test it. I had to logg out after an hour of testing.

Test it before hating Zeni too much.

Vynn wrote: »

Star_Carrier wrote: »

Extremely disappointed in the change to Dragons Blood. It's far to unreliable to use in pvp with this change. Not matter what heal you could "potentially" get from it, if I'm at full magicka and need health I'm dead.

Even if you had 15% magicka, healed yourself to full, then what? DK would stand there with d*ck in hand ready to do sh*t all to an enemy. Unless of course we are expected to pop an ult or potion every time we use coag blood effectively. Both of which are needed for other things, like regular resource management and killing people...

And what do you do on live when you get low magicka? Just stand there because you're dead? Does anyone actually have any videos of the new cDB? Or is everyone going to just cry about it without trying it?

Armitas wrote: »

Areloth wrote: »

but believe me, somehow it is healing way more than it says...I am not sure if battle spirit is really affecting it. For me it looks pretty OP - test it. I had to logg out after an hour of testing.

From what people are saying about it healing for 1200 or 1800 at 100% magicka I'm beginning to think it has a higher base value that is modified by the magicka. From what I recall from live Dragon blood would heal me for 1 health at 100% health.

It probably calculates how much magicka you will have after the cast, as opposed to before.

The old dragonblood was a unique heal that wasn't a bad concept. It works when you need healing the most and doesn't work when you don't need it. Leave it the way it was, buff the burst heal slightly so that in cyrodiil it returns 25% of your missing health not including healing buffs, and then add a HoT. DKs get decent healing from embers/inhale/whip and all I want is a heal that will bring me out of execute range and then a HoT. Make the HoT significantly weaker than vigor, I don't care, but the extra health regen is worthless especially when mag DKs are pretty much forced into vamp.

The way it stands now a DK's oh s*** heal is really only going to work when you get lucky (or unlucky I guess). Why in the **** should anyone try to plan on having no magicka left when they also have low health? I pray that Wrobel has no more "pretty cool new versions" for anything ever again.

All we needed was either one of the following:

- Gap closer ability (chains dont do the job)
- execute ability
- better sustain

None of those were actually achieved with the new patch.

Glarin wrote: »

Please DB NEEDS to be a HoT! How many magicka DKs must suffer another patch without a reliable heal. Either give us a reliable heal OR a way to get out of combat fast. That is the only way to save this class!

How is a hot going to save you from getting bursted? It won't. Kodi did some testint of the new cDB. With 50% magicka (40k max) it was critting for 11k.. Up to 20k with next to no magicka. This skill isnt bad.

How to tell if your class is broken:
The gap closer on your bar is weapon based.
The execute on your bar is weapon based.
Almost all your damage abilities are weapon/guild based.
Almost all your buffs are weapon/guild based.
Your heal is weapon/alliance based.
Your ultimates are weapon/guild based.

Why do I play DK considering I only use one for two DK skills when PvP/PvEing?

As much as everyone was skeptical about Coag change, go test it yourself. I've been hitting over 10k coag most of the time, max 13k crit coag. Honestly I think the change is much better than on live currently so I can't complain.