New Motifs! What's the point if we can't use it?

Surgee · January 2017

I love the motif diversity that ESO provides, but crafted sets are just too weak to bother. On the other hand, the sets that drop from mobs and bosses usually look awful and there is no way to change their style. That's why most players run around in costumes, trying to hide their ugly armour sets.
Can we get an option to re-style the armour using something similar mimic stones?
I've bought so many amazing motifs from crown store before I realised how crappy the crafted sets are....

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

ZOS has literally no idea of what they're doing with motif.

It was cool at launch and then once many reached VR15-16 it was odd.

Somehow I often feel I'm missing something cause with 9 trait crafting the dungeon drop sets are sometimes in motif that aren't released that look waaay better.

Same for Trials.

You'd think that the housing update of attuned crafting stations would attune not just crafting stations but allow ppl to mimic armor and weapon drops when they added mimic stones.

So we have two things that would offer value to motifs but neither are being used.

Even worse they are adding more motifs in the crown store and some don't have style mats and only use mimic stones

Voxicity · January 2017

They should allow us to make custom costumes with gear pieces, for crowns or a lot of gold

ez money, ez game

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

KaiVox22 wrote: »

They should allow us to make custom costumes with gear pieces, for crowns or a lot of gold

ez money, ez game

Disagree.

Let's just align motif with changing appearance via style stones and maybe a base material

newtinmpls · January 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's just align motif with changing appearance via style stones and maybe a base material

Disagree.

Lets just go back to crafted being superior to dropped (or even equal) and then you make choices and deal with them.

Surgee · January 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ZOS has literally no idea of what they're doing with motif.

It was cool at launch and then once many reached VR15-16 it was odd.

Somehow I often feel I'm missing something cause with 9 trait crafting the dungeon drop sets are sometimes in motif that aren't released that look waaay better.

Same for Trials.

You'd think that the housing update of attuned crafting stations would attune not just crafting stations but allow ppl to mimic armor and weapon drops when they added mimic stones.

So we have two things that would offer value to motifs but neither are being used.

Even worse they are adding more motifs in the crown store and some don't have style mats and only use mimic stones

Oh yea...I Just bought this new Frost motif because it looked really cool (Yea I'm stupid, I won't even use it because I don't wear crafted gear)...and then I've read there is no style mat for it! What hte hell ZOS!?

DPG76 · January 2017

or let's get crafted gear interesting again , ZOS ?

Katahdin · January 2017

Motifs are pointless now.

We should be allowed to change the style of any dropped armor set to any style known on the character.

I love the look of some of the crafted sets but it gets ruined by having to run OP proc sets to be competitive.

Surgee · January 2017

Katahdin wrote: »

We should be allowed to changet the style of any dropped armor set to any style known on the character.

This. I think every armour/weapon should be morphable to any style using something similar to mimic stone or something similar. A year ago, I just loved spending my time in cities, looking at awesome combinations of armours people come up with. Now it's all the same due to few ugly meta sets and costumes that people try to hide it with. Come on ZOS!

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

I think all we need is better 9 trait sets to make the slog of maxing out research worth it. I also think nirnhoned needs to be buffed.

Katahdin · January 2017

Surgee wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

We should be allowed to changet the style of any dropped armor set to any style known on the character.

This. I think every armour/weapon should be morphable to any style using something similar to mimic stone or something similar. A year ago, I just loved spending my time in cities, looking at awesome combinations of armours people come up with. Now it's all the same due to few ugly meta sets and costumes that people try to hide it with. Come on ZOS!

I disagree with the the mimic stone exclusively. We should be able to just do it like with the Imperial style or at the very minimum a style stone in game if the style has it.

Pandorii · January 2017

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

I think all we need is better 9 trait sets to make the slog of maxing out research worth it. I also think nirnhoned needs to be buffed.

I've always felt the same about these two things, but I've come to terms with the way that ZOS does things. They want to cater to casuals, since they're making revenue for people who a. buy the game and play for a month or b. buy the game play for a month each time a dlc comes out (while subbing).

So the concept of hard to obtain 9 trait crafting and nirnhoned items goes against that mission. Casuals will feel intimidated by a system that it will take investment to achieve and will be less likely to play and pay.

Jimbullbee85 · January 2017

Pandorii wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

I think all we need is better 9 trait sets to make the slog of maxing out research worth it. I also think nirnhoned needs to be buffed.

I've always felt the same about these two things, but I've come to terms with the way that ZOS does things. They want to cater to casuals, since they're making revenue for people who a. buy the game and play for a month or b. buy the game play for a month each time a dlc comes out (while subbing).

So the concept of hard to obtain 9 trait crafting and nirnhoned items goes against that mission. Casuals will feel intimidated by a system that it will take investment to achieve and will be less likely to play and pay.

Yup it's a shame. As long as the money roles in they're happy. The game will slowly start to die and the flow of money will drop. Maybe they'll improve on things like this if my theory kicks in.

nexxus_ESO · January 2017

I view the need for a way to change dropped set appearance, and the need for improved crafted sets/buffs to crafting, as two separate issues.

We need both of these things.

Crafted sets need buffing up. Period. Whether they eventually add newer, better sets or not, the existing ones have fallen on the side of mediocrity when compared to some of the dropped sets. This needs to be fixed.

Dropped sets, regardless of the state of crafted sets, even if they buff/add to crafted sets are hideous at best in 99% of the cases and anyone willing to invest the time, gold/money, and effort into maxing out crafting has more than earned the right to fix the fugly gear they own. (I really don't care if crafters can fix other people's fugly armor, though it would be a boon to crafters, because everyone is capable of leveling their crafting skills and earning/finding/buying the motifs themselves.)

Regardless of which problem is fixed, the other is still going to exist. What we don't need is one gear type negating the other.

*Edit to add:

They need to stop adding motifs into the game until they sort this issue though, as they're only making it more divisive and urgent.

Ourorboros · January 2017

I treat motifs like a mini game, part collection, part gold sink. They just aren't very practical for crafting. We need a preview window (and not rely on internet and forum previews). Plus gold mats are way too expensive to craft in new styles when current gold armor is a good set. I hate that zos is forcing more and more of crafting into the crown store. My answer lately is the Nordic Bath Towel....one size fits all.

NewBlacksmurf · January 2017

newtinmpls wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's just align motif with changing appearance via style stones and maybe a base material

Disagree.

Lets just go back to crafted being superior to dropped (or even equal) and then you make choices and deal with them.

@newtinmpls

There's nothing wrong with crafted gear tho.
The context of crafted gear is done by research tiers. So for each tier, the sets are better.

Heck some ppl pick Julianos which isn't even 9 trait.

Making crafted gear the best isn't the best direction at all because why do content if everything is craftable.

Then ppl will go back to being bored and running around gathering mats or trading for mats.

No point in doing content cause u don't need the drops other than jewelry but if the content requirement doesn't lead to drops....u don't need gear.

Drops have to always be better than crafted items.

The motif issue is that the drops don't give opportunity to the treasure hunting for motif which usually come from new content

That's where the mix match is.
Motif does nothing other than crafting.

Crafting isn't how you get more motif
Motif drop from content so motif need to provide opportunities to use on dropped gear

Waffennacht · January 2017

I've felt it should go (from lower to higher):
World drops
Veteran Dungeon Drops
9 trait crafted sets
Trial sets.

The best should come from the difficult content that not everyone does. The second best should be craftable (and encouraging) then the group easily done content.

olsborg · January 2017

Im thinking this everytime I see they add a new motif.

"why bother, I cant use it anyway since I dont use any crafted sets"

Lettigall · January 2017

ZOS should finally make that dropped sets can be transformed in any other style! Only few of crafted sets are useful and buying or farming sets becomes waste of money and time!

Karivaa · January 2017

Have you read the patch notes?

Whiphid · January 2017

olsborg wrote: »

Im thinking this everytime I see they add a new motif.

"why bother, I cant use it anyway since I dont use any crafted sets"

I do combine a crafted set (Julianos) with dropped stuff, but I haven't used any of the newer (or not so new anymore) motifs either, since the drop rate is frekking horrible.

Some of these are really hard to get, even if we do want to use them. Order of the Hour and that kinda stuff...

dodgehopper_ESO · January 2017

They really should give us a means to change the styles of armor.

kuro-dono · January 2017

all my alts have 4-6 different motif used in their gear

such an shame we cant do same for the drop sets

starkerealm · January 2017

I still think, finishing a motif should unlock costumes for that motif style. Of course, I also think we should be able to apply costumes to our weapons (not changing the type, but changing their appearance) and that we should be able to dye weapons. So, go figure.

Artis · January 2017

They seriously need to rethink the whole thing and stop with making new ones for now.

They used to be cool, because you can control how you look and stuff. Now they are just annoying, most players can't keep up, I'm sure. Getting them feels like a chore now if you are an achievement collector.

Loralai_907 · January 2017

Motifs were awesome a long time ago. It was exciting when you found a new book. I started being less impressed when they changed to pages. Pages are the worst. It takes roughly forever to get everything. And there are 50kabillion motifs now. I am more behind on motifs than I want to be. But I don't want to fit in motif farming into the time I have to play. So once in a while, I go buy a bunch that I am missing from guild traders.

But like others have said, crafted gear is only good for so long. Once you are done leveling, you do not want crafted gear. Its not good enough anymore. So I have wasted so much time. I spent practically forever researching traits. I have spent a lot of gold on motif pages. Gold that had I NOT spent it, I could buy at least one manor first day of housing. And for what? What good do they do me now?

Surgee · January 2017

Karivaa wrote: »

Have you read the patch notes?

Is something there about morphing armours that I've missed?

Voxicity · January 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

They should allow us to make custom costumes with gear pieces, for crowns or a lot of gold

ez money, ez game

Disagree.

Let's just align motif with changing appearance via style stones and maybe a base material

Sure, that works too

Messy1 · January 2017

FOR THE LOVE OF THE DIVINES ZOS listen to all of the above posts . . . make it better, you know you can . . . Think of how you personally would like to play a game and be rewarded (all the while having fun and making a profit for ZOS)

Rev Rielle · January 2017

I agree. I really hope they do something to address this. We've asked for it time and time again, and the mechanics at their most basic level are already in the game (e.g. 'Change to Imperial Style' Option). But there are lots of other ways they could address this too. Lots of options. Let's hope they work with at least one.

Elwendryll · January 2017

Maybe they could add a tab on the crafting stations. Use a specific item bought from the new vendor for Master crafter writs and some style materials, and you could change the style of the item and make it bound to account after the process.