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Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.Edited by Moglijuana on January 4, 2017 6:03PM1 -
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✭✭At the end of the day... The only fix needed on dragon Blood was to exempt it from battle spirit.2 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭At the end of the day... The only fix needed on dragon Blood was to exempt it from battle spirit.
Agreed. If they legit only made that one change to DKs I would have been happy tbh. My DK hits hard enough, I just need a more reliable heal =/.
I'll be awaiting for the test results when you PC players are able to test things out for sure though. There may still be hope!Edited by Moglijuana on January 4, 2017 6:08PM0 -
IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.
So... Kind of like the new cDB? Except your max health isnt going to be as high as your magicka.. So.......????#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?0 -
Saint_Bud✭✭✭✭What if Coagulating was like this?
Heals for 33% of missing HP
Bonus heal based on missing mana.
No 8% buff
better would be for 33% of the max magicka. In cyro this would not opPVP Saint-Bud magicka Templar: AR 49
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PVE Ramsay-Bolton magicka NB: Voice of Reason Clockwork City Patch retired
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✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.
Who does pair cBlood with igneous shield in a gank? I mean it's a gank. Second 1 you cast igneous, second 2 you are dead, second 3, you are casting cBlood.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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KirinBlaze✭✭✭✭They didn't kill dk, they just didn't make it great again. We got some minor buffs that will actually help out a lot - leap+whip+volatile.
Coagulating blood is going to be crap.
We just have to swtch to gdb and lose 8% healing. That sucks, but it's not the end of the world.
I'm having fun on my dk in this patch, that's probably not gonna change next patch.
It just sucks that they took the preferred morph for a terrible ability, that made that same *** ability somewhat worth slotting in PvP, and made it complete trash.
We have to switch to GDB next patch and get NO BENEFIT from it whatsoever. You get the same Stam Regen Buff, and a better heal, from a god damn tri-pot. The 8% healing from Coag was the only thing that made using it worth it and now the ability isn't even worth looking at.Kirin Blaze - Ebonheart Pact - Imperial DragonknightKïrïn Bläzë - Daggerfall Covenant - Imperial DragonknightKìrín Blàzé - Aldmeri Dominion - Imperial DragonknightVehemence - Omni - COMBUSTION0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭Well if ZOS is not going to make CB worth while at least make Obsidian Shard heal both the caster and a ally like funnel health.NA/PC0 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.
Who does pair cBlood with igneous shield in a gank? I mean it's a gank. Second 1 you cast igneous, second 2 you are dead, second 3, you are casting cBlood.
Second 1 -> gap close stun = biggest hit/break free -> Second 2 -> Dodge roll THROUGH THEMbecause 90% of gankers will try to execute/Incap right then and there and just miss -> Second 3 -> DB (gets you out of execute on live currently) -> Tri pot -> Igneous -> DB DB DB. I haven't been killed in under 2 seconds in a LONG time on my mdk because I do the above every single time some proc hero comes out of stealth. There is way more time to react in a gank than people think. This is of course if you have built your character to survive such ganks. If not, then yea you dead af. 3k impen, 28k hp, 22 unbuffed phys resist, and 100 into hardy gets me said results every single day lol.
But like I said Battle spirit kind of makes DB useless anyways so...Edited by Moglijuana on January 4, 2017 7:38PM2 -
IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO wrote: »They didn't kill dk, they just didn't make it great again. We got some minor buffs that will actually help out a lot - leap+whip+volatile.
Coagulating blood is going to be crap.
We just have to swtch to gdb and lose 8% healing. That sucks, but it's not the end of the world.
I'm having fun on my dk in this patch, that's probably not gonna change next patch.
It just sucks that they took the preferred morph for a terrible ability, that made that same *** ability somewhat worth slotting in PvP, and made it complete trash.
We have to switch to GDB next patch and get NO BENEFIT from it whatsoever. You get the same Stam Regen Buff, and a better heal, from a god damn tri-pot. The 8% healing from Coag was the only thing that made using it worth it and now the ability isn't even worth looking at.
Lol new db scales with our highest resource, gets stronger with each cast and can crit. You will be getting much better heals now. Say you have 40k magicka. You're at 50%. That's 20k missing. After battle spirit, it's a 3300 nom crit and a 4950 crit. Notthing special, but that's before any healing buffs or cp. Not to mention the next cast will be stronger, unlike db now. Thats just 50% magicka. How often are you running around above 50% magicka as a mDK?#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?1 -
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✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.
Who does pair cBlood with igneous shield in a gank? I mean it's a gank. Second 1 you cast igneous, second 2 you are dead, second 3, you are casting cBlood.
Second 1 -> gap close stun = biggest hit/break free -> Second 2 -> Dodge roll THROUGH THEMbecause 90% of gankers will try to execute/Incap right then and there and just miss -> Second 3 -> DB (gets you out of execute on live currently) -> Tri pot -> Igneous -> DB DB DB. I haven't been killed in under 2 seconds in a LONG time because I do the above every single time some proc hero comes out of stealth. There is way more time to react in a gank than people think. This is of course if you have built your character to survive such ganks. If not, then yea you dead af. 3k impen, 28k hp, 22 unbuffed phys resist, and 100 into hardy gets me said results every single day lol.
But like I said Battle spirit kind of makes DB useless anyways so...
You know, there's a thing in this game that prevents you to do what you say... last time I checked it was called "lag".
Saddly, most of the community suffers from that illness.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.
Who does pair cBlood with igneous shield in a gank? I mean it's a gank. Second 1 you cast igneous, second 2 you are dead, second 3, you are casting cBlood.
Second 1 -> gap close stun = biggest hit/break free -> Second 2 -> Dodge roll THROUGH THEMbecause 90% of gankers will try to execute/Incap right then and there and just miss -> Second 3 -> DB (gets you out of execute on live currently) -> Tri pot -> Igneous -> DB DB DB. I haven't been killed in under 2 seconds in a LONG time because I do the above every single time some proc hero comes out of stealth. There is way more time to react in a gank than people think. This is of course if you have built your character to survive such ganks. If not, then yea you dead af. 3k impen, 28k hp, 22 unbuffed phys resist, and 100 into hardy gets me said results every single day lol.
But like I said Battle spirit kind of makes DB useless anyways so...
You know, there's a thing in this game that prevents you to do what you say... last time I checked it was called "lag".
Saddly, most of the community suffers from that illness.
If it's really laggy yea you're right. Ain't nothing going to save you lol. Sometimes though it works in your favor too, you can feel that gap close stun incoming and just dodge the initial opener. But it usually just ends with a full recap of hits after running around for a few seconds with no resources
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✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.
Who does pair cBlood with igneous shield in a gank? I mean it's a gank. Second 1 you cast igneous, second 2 you are dead, second 3, you are casting cBlood.
Second 1 -> gap close stun = biggest hit/break free -> Second 2 -> Dodge roll THROUGH THEMbecause 90% of gankers will try to execute/Incap right then and there and just miss -> Second 3 -> DB (gets you out of execute on live currently) -> Tri pot -> Igneous -> DB DB DB. I haven't been killed in under 2 seconds in a LONG time on my mdk because I do the above every single time some proc hero comes out of stealth. There is way more time to react in a gank than people think. This is of course if you have built your character to survive such ganks. If not, then yea you dead af. 3k impen, 28k hp, 22 unbuffed phys resist, and 100 into hardy gets me said results every single day lol.
But like I said Battle spirit kind of makes DB useless anyways so...
My prefered approach is to just Petrify --> Whip --> Whip exploit.
Then they'll cloak again, giving you the time to self-buff.
Regardless, I am hard at work trying to think of ways to heal myself without Dragon Blood.
Energy Orb could be made to work. The HoT is really quite strong. It requires that you play in a particular space, but dunno.
The heal on stone fist is really quite strong, but it suffers from the same problem as Embers... you have to be in melee range to get the heal.2 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.
Who does pair cBlood with igneous shield in a gank? I mean it's a gank. Second 1 you cast igneous, second 2 you are dead, second 3, you are casting cBlood.
Second 1 -> gap close stun = biggest hit/break free -> Second 2 -> Dodge roll THROUGH THEMbecause 90% of gankers will try to execute/Incap right then and there and just miss -> Second 3 -> DB (gets you out of execute on live currently) -> Tri pot -> Igneous -> DB DB DB. I haven't been killed in under 2 seconds in a LONG time on my mdk because I do the above every single time some proc hero comes out of stealth. There is way more time to react in a gank than people think. This is of course if you have built your character to survive such ganks. If not, then yea you dead af. 3k impen, 28k hp, 22 unbuffed phys resist, and 100 into hardy gets me said results every single day lol.
But like I said Battle spirit kind of makes DB useless anyways so...
My prefered approach is to just Petrify --> Whip --> Whip exploit.
Then they'll cloak again, giving you the time to self-buff.
Regardless, I am hard at work trying to think of ways to heal myself without Dragon Blood.
Energy Orb could be made to work. The HoT is really quite strong. It requires that you play in a particular space, but dunno.
The heal on stone fist is really quite strong, but it suffers from the same problem as Embers... you have to be in melee range to get the heal.
Yea if they gank infront of me I'll fossilize asap, but most ganks come from behind and I just need some breathing room to target first for that. Console Problems lol. Can't turn around that quick. Will you be testing on pts anytime soon?Edited by Moglijuana on January 4, 2017 8:04PM0 -
scorpiodog✭✭✭✭✭I just thought of something interesting ...
I wonder if it will be possible to combine Ferocious Leap and Proxy Det in some way with animation cancelling?1 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭scorpiodog wrote: »I just thought of something interesting ...
I wonder if it will be possible to combine Ferocious Leap and Proxy Det in some way with animation cancelling?
Someone already did it a while ago. I tried it, was a lot of fun...but then they nerfed proxy =(
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Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭So...watching Kodi's stream right now...at 60% Magicka he crit healed for 8k then 5k non crit...we may be in business boys!!!!0
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✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »So...watching Kodi's stream right now...at 60% Magicka he crit healed for 8k then 5k non crit...we may be in business boys!!!!
at 60% magicka thats pretty good, but there is still that problem of 100% magicka while ganked. If we can see that kind of heal realistically then if they make it scale from magicka or health based on which yields a bigger number then we might be solid.Edited by Armitas on January 4, 2017 9:28PMRetired.
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IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »So...watching Kodi's stream right now...at 60% Magicka he crit healed for 8k then 5k non crit...we may be in business boys!!!!
What was he getting with lower magicka?#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IxskullzxI wrote: »Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO wrote: »They didn't kill dk, they just didn't make it great again. We got some minor buffs that will actually help out a lot - leap+whip+volatile.
Coagulating blood is going to be crap.
We just have to swtch to gdb and lose 8% healing. That sucks, but it's not the end of the world.
I'm having fun on my dk in this patch, that's probably not gonna change next patch.
It just sucks that they took the preferred morph for a terrible ability, that made that same *** ability somewhat worth slotting in PvP, and made it complete trash.
We have to switch to GDB next patch and get NO BENEFIT from it whatsoever. You get the same Stam Regen Buff, and a better heal, from a god damn tri-pot. The 8% healing from Coag was the only thing that made using it worth it and now the ability isn't even worth looking at.
Lol new db scales with our highest resource, gets stronger with each cast and can crit. You will be getting much better heals now. Say you have 40k magicka. You're at 50%. That's 20k missing. After battle spirit, it's a 3300 nom crit and a 4950 crit. Notthing special, but that's before any healing buffs or cp. Not to mention the next cast will be stronger, unlike db now. Thats just 50% magicka. How often are you running around above 50% magicka as a mDK?
It's stupid that in order to heal properly a mag dk will now have to spam waste a few thousand magicka.
Why can't they just have BoL and heal for 15kMoglijuana wrote: »So...watching Kodi's stream right now...at 60% Magicka he crit healed for 8k then 5k non crit...we may be in business boys!!!!
Was that with the 50% nerf from pvp?PS4 EU DC
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✭✭✭✭BlackMadara wrote: »
I belive I was in my pvp build, if so, 2501 base spell power, (add major sorcery to that) 30k magicka, and 75 into thaumaturge.Edited by Armitas on January 6, 2017 2:06PMRetired.
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✭Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.
Who does pair cBlood with igneous shield in a gank? I mean it's a gank. Second 1 you cast igneous, second 2 you are dead, second 3, you are casting cBlood.
Second 1 -> gap close stun = biggest hit/break free -> Second 2 -> Dodge roll THROUGH THEMbecause 90% of gankers will try to execute/Incap right then and there and just miss -> Second 3 -> DB (gets you out of execute on live currently) -> Tri pot -> Igneous -> DB DB DB. I haven't been killed in under 2 seconds in a LONG time on my mdk because I do the above every single time some proc hero comes out of stealth. There is way more time to react in a gank than people think. This is of course if you have built your character to survive such ganks. If not, then yea you dead af. 3k impen, 28k hp, 22 unbuffed phys resist, and 100 into hardy gets me said results every single day lol.
But like I said Battle spirit kind of makes DB useless anyways so...
Yeah but even if you do survive the gank, what difference does it make? NB is just going to pop stealth and run away. DK has no mobility to catch up.
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Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »IxskullzxI wrote: »
Meh, paired with Igneous you could potentially just spam it enough for it to start scaling better and better as you waste more Magicka trying to heal out of execute range. In theory at least...
Battle Spirit kind of poops on DB though every time I look at it.
Who does pair cBlood with igneous shield in a gank? I mean it's a gank. Second 1 you cast igneous, second 2 you are dead, second 3, you are casting cBlood.
Second 1 -> gap close stun = biggest hit/break free -> Second 2 -> Dodge roll THROUGH THEMbecause 90% of gankers will try to execute/Incap right then and there and just miss -> Second 3 -> DB (gets you out of execute on live currently) -> Tri pot -> Igneous -> DB DB DB. I haven't been killed in under 2 seconds in a LONG time on my mdk because I do the above every single time some proc hero comes out of stealth. There is way more time to react in a gank than people think. This is of course if you have built your character to survive such ganks. If not, then yea you dead af. 3k impen, 28k hp, 22 unbuffed phys resist, and 100 into hardy gets me said results every single day lol.
But like I said Battle spirit kind of makes DB useless anyways so...
Yeah but even if you do survive the gank, what difference does it make? NB is just going to pop stealth and run away. DK has no mobility to catch up.
MDK has the best skill set in the game to keep NB's out of stealth...I rarely lose sight of them after they engage.2 -
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✭✭Skills still cost too much magicka, DB is...weird, to put it polite and 5% on whip won't cover 5% loss on standard.
Also, reflective scale is laughable now. It reflects always, except for the times it doesn't.
DK is becoming a walking skill garbage. Yeah, this really motivates to play this class.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0 -
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✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Wrobel said he had great things for DK coming . Why does every gift from him feel like a horse made from Spartans ?
Maybe he is being sarcastic, but we take him too seriously?Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0
