glad Zeni payed attention to one of my past posts regarding frost staff tanking :)

dsalter · January 2017

really put a smile on my face, be nice to see a new type of play style running around though i do see some minor flaws

the taunt on heavy attack thing is going to really mess with tanking since you cant fully heavy attack and block at the same time, might i suggest making the first skill taunt the target while wielding a frost staff?
would put it on par with the skill from 1hand and shield as well as putting less conflicting play methods into tanking as frost

and i might recommend a way for frost staff to gain a little more durability? possibly in the form of gaining about 2/3 of a equipped shields equivalent of armor while using a frost staff, reason for this is being magicka based, they are going to get seriously slammed by the lower armor due to needing light armor to get more chance at magicka to fuel blocks, as if i recall shield spells dont allow the damage taken to work with heavy armor restore passives.
otherwise restoring the passive of granting a shield after heavy attacks should balance it out

otherwise cant wait to see what tweaks are made, it's good but just needs a bit of smoothing to become equal to a true tank

Edit: added a line to the armor thing.

Mettaricana · January 2017

Totally making an iceheart altmer frost tank that doubles as a healer

dsalter · January 2017

oh forgot to tag @ZOS_GinaBruno , just thought this should come up with someone at the office, again awesome to see this getting somewhere

just be sure the taunt at least gets noted since heavy attack based taunting contradicts tanking to begin with since you can't block and heavy attack

Woeler · January 2017

Or lets just not make frost staff the best main hand for a tank because it makes no damn sense at all. A tank has a shield and a sword, not a frost staff.

Wing · January 2017

this could actually lead to some build changes within the game, probably not very widespread but this opens up whole new build paths like nothing we have seen for a while.

KisoValley · January 2017

Awful update

Mataata · January 2017

I like the idea a lot, but maybe the damage shield from a fully charged attack should be bigger to compensate the lack of a shield having the extra block mitigation/extra armor.

DenniMyuu · January 2017

This ice staff tank thing makes me facepalm everytime I read about it...

Ivan04 · January 2017

Want to say bad things to the OP, but not going to.

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

DenniMyuu wrote: »

This ice staff tank thing makes me facepalm everytime I read about it...

it's @Wrobel sense, don't try to understand, just get over it.

Akimbro · January 2017

You could have staff tanked before with inner fire. Don't see the point here. Just useless...

Calboy · January 2017

Love love LOVE this change.

Khaos_Bane · January 2017

So you are going to taunt mobs using a fully charged heavy attack ? Think about that for a minute.

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

So you are going to taunt mobs using a fully charged heavy attack ? Think about that for a minute.

He will do it on mDK and try to heal with new awesome CDB, then die. So much fun.

bebynnag · January 2017

I get the potential of some of the changes to ice staff for PvP

but for PvE.... no im sorry i dont see the benefit and can only see the negatives

my IceBlade will be in the corner crying her little Breton socks off if anybody cares!

Jim_Pipp · January 2017

Mataata wrote: »

I like the idea a lot, but maybe the damage shield from a fully charged attack should be bigger to compensate the lack of a shield having the extra block mitigation/extra armor.

As I understand it, ice heavy attacks will not give a damage shield anymore (it is replaced by the controversial taunt).

I imagine what ZOS is trying to do is make magic tanks use damage shields more. So stam tanks survive with higher resistance while mag tanks survive by popping shields and then taunting.

I don't think they made mag tanks to mirror stam tanks, I think they are trying to make them play quite differently from eachother. If they wanted mag tanks to have a skill taunt they would have put it on destructive touch... they have done something more interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing whether it works.

Zerok · January 2017

I don't understand.

If they wanted to have more magicka tanks, they should have given magicka morphs to the S&B skill line.

Tanking with a staff makes no sense.

Akimbro · January 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

I get the potential of some of the changes to ice staff for PvP

but for PvE.... no im sorry i dont see the benefit and can only see the negatives

my IceBlade will be in the corner crying her little Breton socks off if anybody cares!

You can just take out the skill points for the passive to not have the taunt. No need to cry little Breton

bebynnag · January 2017

Akimbro wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

I get the potential of some of the changes to ice staff for PvP

but for PvE.... no im sorry i dont see the benefit and can only see the negatives

my IceBlade will be in the corner crying her little Breton socks off if anybody cares!

You can just take out the skill points for the passive to not have the taunt. No need to cry little Breton

but she has a fire staff on her back bar... so i would be loosing the increased damage passive if i did that!

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Akimbro wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

I get the potential of some of the changes to ice staff for PvP

but for PvE.... no im sorry i dont see the benefit and can only see the negatives

my IceBlade will be in the corner crying her little Breton socks off if anybody cares!

You can just take out the skill points for the passive to not have the taunt. No need to cry little Breton

but she has a fire staff on her back bar... so i would be loosing the increased damage passive if i did that!

than don't do fHA on frost staff bar while you have +8% for it on fire bar

BlazingDynamo · January 2017

Woeler wrote: »

Or lets just not make frost staff the best main hand for a tank because it makes no damn sense at all. A tank has a shield and a sword, not a frost staff.

It's clearly for a new class. Don't get your panties in a bunch, there's nothing wrong with a little build diversity bro.

Sugaroverdose · January 2017

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Or lets just not make frost staff the best main hand for a tank because it makes no damn sense at all. A tank has a shield and a sword, not a frost staff.

It's clearly for a new class. Don't get your panties in a bunch, there's nothing wrong with a little build diversity bro.

It's ridiculous piece of ZoS which already have a way to exploit.

stevepdodson_ESO888 · January 2017

Woeler wrote: »

Or lets just not make frost staff the best main hand for a tank because it makes no damn sense at all. A tank has a shield and a sword, not a frost staff.

although i have to agree with you on this, back in the dim and distant past (sort of 1.5 or there about) we actually did tank in skirts and used staves...so it's really just coming round in a circle again until they look to break something else

in the meantime, smile through gritted teeth and think happy thoughts

besides we'll all be locked in our houses and penny-less, mindlessly grinding Master Writs so we can craft a pillow to weep into

bebynnag · January 2017

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Akimbro wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

I get the potential of some of the changes to ice staff for PvP

but for PvE.... no im sorry i dont see the benefit and can only see the negatives

my IceBlade will be in the corner crying her little Breton socks off if anybody cares!

You can just take out the skill points for the passive to not have the taunt. No need to cry little Breton

but she has a fire staff on her back bar... so i would be loosing the increased damage passive if i did that!

than don't do fHA on frost staff bar while you have +8% for it on fire bar

i was i complete shock the other day so my post wasnt exactly though out - so let me explain the changes to ice staff from my perspective

so the changes to ice staff from a PvP perspective are awesome - more survivability - great no problem there

but for PvE from the view of a dd
on live i am able to slot an ice staff, assign a mix of AOE skills & single target skills and deal my fair share of damage in vet trials. (by this i mean i am actually contributing to the team and not getting dragged through it)
come U13 ice staves will worst in slot for PvE, because i will not be receiving the benefit of the increases single target damage that fire & AOE damage lighning will be giving.

and from PvE from the view of a Tank
taunting using a fully charged heavy attack is impractical, the attacks take too long to charge, taunting a pack of enemies will simply take too long! charging a heavy attack also leave a tank open & vulnerable.
so maybe you ignore the HA taunt and instead use it for the block using magic passive allowing you to regen stamina, and blocking with shield to regen magic. but of course the problem here is that you loose a weapon/armour slot which means loosing the 5th piece bonus from one of the sets.

i know it is not mandatory to run 5/5/2 but the reason it is so popuar is because they offer amazing build diversity available, the 3 pieces jewelry sets arent as usefull overall and leave open/ spare slots

and of course one musnt forget the fact that master and maelstrom ice staves are offering buffs to damage not survivability/tanking.

Sallington · January 2017

They completely took away an offensive build path, and added in a very subpar PvE tanking path while making it borderline OP in PvP...

Have fun trying to kill Magplars next patch.

#WROBELED

Saint_Bud · January 2017

I will leaf evry random group, tanking with a damned woodstaff makes no sense. I know its just a game, but this is to much, because next a guy come to the forum and cry why his guildmate not take him as tank in a vtrial as some plazeplars told here. ZOS please tell this guys how to play your game instate of making this. Its the same playing an egoshooter with just useing a knife.

Joy_Division · January 2017

Now I'm kind of annoyed I deconned my Defending vMA Ice staffs....

zyk · January 2017

Joy_Division wrote: »

Now I'm kind of annoyed I deconned my Defending vMA Ice staffs....

This is why I have a mule full of vma weapons that are presently useless... One never knows where wrobel may strike next. He's very wrandom.

Nifty2g · January 2017

Woeler wrote: »

Or lets just not make frost staff the best main hand for a tank because it makes no damn sense at all. A tank has a shield and a sword, not a frost staff.

Not to mention, it breaks your 5/5/2 sets, literally there currently isn't a benefit for using frost staff in PvE at all.

KramUzibra · January 2017

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

DenniMyuu wrote: »

This ice staff tank thing makes me facepalm everytime I read about it...

it's @Wrobel sense, don't try to understand, just get over it.

Lol true

austinwalter87ub17_ESO · January 2017

Breton/High Elf MagPlar + Minor Magickasteal/Radiant Aura+ Desert Rose + Black Rose + vMA Defending/Decisive Frost Staff + Bastion + Support Barrier Ulti + Harness Magicka + Channeled Rune

With 30-35k Magicka and HP