You are part of the problem...

TerraDewBerry · December 2016

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

I absolutely agree. Making things for gamble crates will quickly take the forefront of what ZOS does if people do not send a clear message that, that's not going to work for them and they would prefer content over gamble crates. Unfortunately, every time I see someone else with a storm atronach mount, I feel like there is little hope to turn back the tide of people more than willing to spend their money on crates because... reasons! They don't seem to see the long term picture, and just want the cool mount. I get that they can spend their money on whatever they wish to, I get their wanting the cool mount... (I want it too, but won't cave to buying the crates to get it), but how they spend their money does impact future behavior on ZOS's part.

So frequently people who play MMOs seem to forget that we are the customers... and the game company is simply that... a company that relies on our financial support to stay open.

Ok but here's the thing you can not control how someone spends their own money. We have no idea what they are spending that revenue on, and I doubt they would tell us. If the games becomes one big cash grab then players will move onto the next thing.

As of yet none of us can say what that revenue is going towards, with happens if they en up fixing the game with update 13? All we got were small snipettes of what is to come. I bought a 15 pack, didn't get much so I won't buy anymore untill they either up the gem conversion rate, add more substance, ie no potions and meals, or up the chances of apex rewards. That is my decision to make. And to those that spent $300 to get what they wanted, that was their decision.

You nor anyone else in here can control someone else's money. And if boils down to a question of ethics for any individuals they are free to complain or leave. Insinuating that it is somehow a group of consumers is the reason for the evil crown crates and their continuation is a false statement.

While we are the customers in an mmo, they have no obligation to remove anything from their game because we complain about something. How many of the people that are calling ZOS greedy for introducing crown crates went and bought a 5000 crown elk? Nothing in the crates gives anyone a competitive advantage and it's too soon to say that they aren't using that money to better the game.

I completely agree I have no say in how someone spends their money. I admit that. I just really love this game and have seen game after game slowly make that turn towards money cash grabs at the sake of actual content, and would hate to see ESO turn out like those other games.

It's also true that ZOS can make the decision to not listen to their customers, and just like anything else, as a customer, I have the right to take my money elsewhere.. *which I would prefer not to do at this time*

Hypothetically speaking, get enough customers who take their money elsewhere, and ESO will be just another MMO that is seeing a decline in their player base and will eventually need to decide if it's worth keeping the lights on.

Now, I'm not saying the sky is falling, or that ESO is dying. I'm saying ZOS should carefully consider taking more steps into the greedy money cash grab realm.. because from what I have seen, it doesn't ever seem to end all that well for the game makers as their players steadily just move on to the next game that doesn't seem like a cash grab.

TerraDewBerry · December 2016

Xexpo wrote: »

I see a lot more atro mounts and funny wizard hats in-game than I see forum posts complaining about crates.

I think people are aware of what they are contributing to, and are fine with it.

And all the forum psa's in the world aren't going to change anything.

for effort tho

I get your point, but the number of people who contribute by posting to the forums is just a fraction of the people who are in the game and never... ever... once... come to the forums much less post to the forums. It constantly amazes me just how many people are completely unaware that the forums even exist, so you would likely never see more forum post than people in game doing X thing.

Stopnaggin · December 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

I absolutely agree. Making things for gamble crates will quickly take the forefront of what ZOS does if people do not send a clear message that, that's not going to work for them and they would prefer content over gamble crates. Unfortunately, every time I see someone else with a storm atronach mount, I feel like there is little hope to turn back the tide of people more than willing to spend their money on crates because... reasons! They don't seem to see the long term picture, and just want the cool mount. I get that they can spend their money on whatever they wish to, I get their wanting the cool mount... (I want it too, but won't cave to buying the crates to get it), but how they spend their money does impact future behavior on ZOS's part.

So frequently people who play MMOs seem to forget that we are the customers... and the game company is simply that... a company that relies on our financial support to stay open.

Ok but here's the thing you can not control how someone spends their own money. We have no idea what they are spending that revenue on, and I doubt they would tell us. If the games becomes one big cash grab then players will move onto the next thing.

As of yet none of us can say what that revenue is going towards, with happens if they en up fixing the game with update 13? All we got were small snipettes of what is to come. I bought a 15 pack, didn't get much so I won't buy anymore untill they either up the gem conversion rate, add more substance, ie no potions and meals, or up the chances of apex rewards. That is my decision to make. And to those that spent $300 to get what they wanted, that was their decision.

You nor anyone else in here can control someone else's money. And if boils down to a question of ethics for any individuals they are free to complain or leave. Insinuating that it is somehow a group of consumers is the reason for the evil crown crates and their continuation is a false statement.

While we are the customers in an mmo, they have no obligation to remove anything from their game because we complain about something. How many of the people that are calling ZOS greedy for introducing crown crates went and bought a 5000 crown elk? Nothing in the crates gives anyone a competitive advantage and it's too soon to say that they aren't using that money to better the game.

I completely agree I have no say in how someone spends their money. I admit that. I just really love this game and have seen game after game slowly make that turn towards money cash grabs at the sake of actual content, and would hate to see ESO turn out like those other games.

It's also true that ZOS can make the decision to not listen to their customers, and just like anything else, as a customer, I have the right to take my money elsewhere.. *which I would prefer not to do at this time*

Hypothetically speaking, get enough customers who take their money elsewhere, and ESO will be just another MMO that is seeing a decline in their player base and will eventually need to decide if it's worth keeping the lights on.

Now, I'm not saying the sky is falling, or that ESO is dying. I'm saying ZOS should carefully consider taking more steps into the greedy money cash grab realm.. because from what I have seen, it doesn't ever seem to end all that well for the game makers as their players steadily just move on to the next game that doesn't seem like a cash grab.

And here's where we come together, I love the game, I would love to see this extra income be put back into ESO. The crown crates are of no real concern to me, people will buy and people won't for various reason. But if they can fix the game and get added content that work I'm all for it. Even if it's spent on better hardware it's a plus.

It's just to early to tell yet. 1T was a good step, we will see with update 13 if it continues going in the right direction.

I personally think their marketing depth hasn't settled on anything concrete yet. Almost as if testing the waters so to speak. I mean one cs motif at 2200 crowns with 52 stones, next one 2000 crowns only 5 stones. Mount pricing is up and down. I think they are feeling out the market to try and find a sweet spot. We may never know what is really going on because forum users are a small minority of the playerbase. How many individuals have purchased crates or mounts, so they have a better handle on what is working and what isnt.

Grabmoore · December 2016

No content?

vmsa , vMol and Alliance rank 50 are waiting.... Jesus...

bryanhaas · December 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

+1

Stopnaggin · December 2016

Grabmoore wrote: »

No content?

vmsa , vMol and Alliance rank 50 are waiting.... Jesus...

Really those aren't new content. Pvp is unplayable right now and not just from proc sets. But yeah I don't agree with the crown crates being the reason.

KramUzibra · December 2016

Browiseth wrote: »

y'know what? if you're going to judge people based on how they spend their money, i'mma buy more crown crates just to spite you

Haha I feel the same way!!!! Although I won't go out and get them since Iv collected most of them already at least the ones I wanted. Only missing the camel and bear.

FloppyTouch · December 2016

KramUzibra wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

y'know what? if you're going to judge people based on how they spend their money, i'mma buy more crown crates just to spite you

Haha I feel the same way!!!! Although I won't go out and get them since Iv collected most of them already at least the ones I wanted. Only missing the camel and bear.

Just got the 4 pack crown Crate after reading the OP post.

Stopnaggin · December 2016

FloppyTouch wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

y'know what? if you're going to judge people based on how they spend their money, i'mma buy more crown crates just to spite you

Haha I feel the same way!!!! Although I won't go out and get them since Iv collected most of them already at least the ones I wanted. Only missing the camel and bear.

Just got the 4 pack crown Crate after reading the OP post.

Lol, I added my son an account last week, 500 crowns, llittle $hit got the storm senche mount. Which happened to be the only one I was interested in. May have to buy a few more.

scorpiodog · December 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

This ia an either / or logical fallacy. A company does not eliminste a source of income just because it has another income stream

brandonv516 · December 2016

I think I'm going to be a part of the problem later. Got a $25 xbox store GC for the holiday and nothing else I desire on xbox store.

rxhymn · December 2016

i cant wait to drop a pretty penny on wild hunt mounts.

Riejael · December 2016

If you buy the game you are part of the 'problem'.
If you buy crowns at all you are part of the 'problem'.
If you play the game, you generate player content for paying members and become part of the 'problem'.
If you post on the forums, you generate discussion and hype for the game, inviting new players to come in and thus be part of the 'problem'.

OP.. you are part of the problem, too.

Want to know how to not be? Quit the game. Stop posting on the forums. And go elsewhere. That's how you stick it to ZOS. But I'll wager a crown crate you don't have the gall to do that. All mouth, no trouser. No substance, and no conviction.

Junipus · December 2016

https://youtu.be/v3XR9VNcaxA?t=25

Maikon · December 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

Those of us who work and can afford it can buy all the crates we want. I think the problem here is that you're either poor or think you're privileged, and you think they should give you everything for free.

AlwaysOnFire · December 2016

I think that there is some merit in being critical of the "loot box" model of micro-transaction, as many influential video game writers have gone on about much better than I can (useless sprays in overwatch, for example.)

But I do think that ZO is maybe not being the Absolute Worst and allowing you to trade in repeats for points towards the items you'd really prefer to get. Time will tell if they make this system better, or make it worse. Overall they'll do whatever players reward them for doing.

kamimark · December 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

OK, deal.

I've enjoyed what I've got from the crates so far. Costumes and pets and a mount, and a few consumables. I get entirely too much practical stuff from the rest of the game. ZOS is going to keep selling discount crowns and ESO+ renewals to me which I'll largely blow on crates.

I can see how that's utterly ruined your gameplay… by… uh, actually you don't say, maybe a pathological fear of cards? So you'd be all upset, but you're gonna have to live with it.

nimander99 · December 2016

Uh uh, no I'm not! You are a part of the problem! So there, in your face!

Naw, I tried it out to see how aggressive it truly would be, and Apex rewards ruin the system. It would actually be okay if Apex drops weren't 400 gems but more like 200 gems, then it would actually be pretty decent, but as it stands now, it would cost at least a thousand dollars to "earn" everything... And that's more than I've spent on the game since it came out.

TerraDewBerry · December 2016

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

I absolutely agree. Making things for gamble crates will quickly take the forefront of what ZOS does if people do not send a clear message that, that's not going to work for them and they would prefer content over gamble crates. Unfortunately, every time I see someone else with a storm atronach mount, I feel like there is little hope to turn back the tide of people more than willing to spend their money on crates because... reasons! They don't seem to see the long term picture, and just want the cool mount. I get that they can spend their money on whatever they wish to, I get their wanting the cool mount... (I want it too, but won't cave to buying the crates to get it), but how they spend their money does impact future behavior on ZOS's part.

So frequently people who play MMOs seem to forget that we are the customers... and the game company is simply that... a company that relies on our financial support to stay open.

Ok but here's the thing you can not control how someone spends their own money. We have no idea what they are spending that revenue on, and I doubt they would tell us. If the games becomes one big cash grab then players will move onto the next thing.

As of yet none of us can say what that revenue is going towards, with happens if they en up fixing the game with update 13? All we got were small snipettes of what is to come. I bought a 15 pack, didn't get much so I won't buy anymore untill they either up the gem conversion rate, add more substance, ie no potions and meals, or up the chances of apex rewards. That is my decision to make. And to those that spent $300 to get what they wanted, that was their decision.

You nor anyone else in here can control someone else's money. And if boils down to a question of ethics for any individuals they are free to complain or leave. Insinuating that it is somehow a group of consumers is the reason for the evil crown crates and their continuation is a false statement.

While we are the customers in an mmo, they have no obligation to remove anything from their game because we complain about something. How many of the people that are calling ZOS greedy for introducing crown crates went and bought a 5000 crown elk? Nothing in the crates gives anyone a competitive advantage and it's too soon to say that they aren't using that money to better the game.

I completely agree I have no say in how someone spends their money. I admit that. I just really love this game and have seen game after game slowly make that turn towards money cash grabs at the sake of actual content, and would hate to see ESO turn out like those other games.

It's also true that ZOS can make the decision to not listen to their customers, and just like anything else, as a customer, I have the right to take my money elsewhere.. *which I would prefer not to do at this time*

Hypothetically speaking, get enough customers who take their money elsewhere, and ESO will be just another MMO that is seeing a decline in their player base and will eventually need to decide if it's worth keeping the lights on.

Now, I'm not saying the sky is falling, or that ESO is dying. I'm saying ZOS should carefully consider taking more steps into the greedy money cash grab realm.. because from what I have seen, it doesn't ever seem to end all that well for the game makers as their players steadily just move on to the next game that doesn't seem like a cash grab.

And here's where we come together, I love the game, I would love to see this extra income be put back into ESO. The crown crates are of no real concern to me, people will buy and people won't for various reason. But if they can fix the game and get added content that work I'm all for it. Even if it's spent on better hardware it's a plus.

It's just to early to tell yet. 1T was a good step, we will see with update 13 if it continues going in the right direction.

I personally think their marketing depth hasn't settled on anything concrete yet. Almost as if testing the waters so to speak. I mean one cs motif at 2200 crowns with 52 stones, next one 2000 crowns only 5 stones. Mount pricing is up and down. I think they are feeling out the market to try and find a sweet spot. We may never know what is really going on because forum users are a small minority of the playerbase. How many individuals have purchased crates or mounts, so they have a better handle on what is working and what isnt.

I would really like to trust and believe ZOS can do the right thing and put the extra revenue back into the game, or even a reasonable portion of it back into the game, but that is something we'll never know anything about. What I do know is, I have seen several games that I have played that started out as great games slowly become more focused on easy to make cash shop items that then unfortunately eventually turned into a reduction in actual player content. I can't tell the future, and I would so dearly love to be wrong about the slippery slope of gamble crates, but I guess only time will tell. I won't try and approach the topic of gamble crates and people who will have a difficult time just buying X amount and be able to stop, but I assume you know my position on that.

As far as ZOS trying to find their sweet spot in marketing, I would suggest that they would likely do better if they priced things at a reasonable rate and have a chance to sell more because the item was reasonable, than to overprice things, and risk angering their player base. I used this example earlier in a different post, but it still holds true... If ZOS had priced the elk mount at more reasonable price, they could have had many more players in the holiday spirit thrilled to buy their mount (I might have even bought one had it been more reasonable in price). Just think, the forums would have been filled with people expressing gratitude for the mount instead of what ended up happening... which was ZOS seemed like the Grinch who stole Christmas...

I am a big believer in cultivating good relations with your player base. In my mind, happy players are players who will recommend your game to their friends, recommend and buy your cash shop items (if priced reasonably), and will happily keep playing your game and supporting your product..

Unhappy players... well, I imagine you can imagine what unhappy players do.

Stopnaggin · December 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

I absolutely agree. Making things for gamble crates will quickly take the forefront of what ZOS does if people do not send a clear message that, that's not going to work for them and they would prefer content over gamble crates. Unfortunately, every time I see someone else with a storm atronach mount, I feel like there is little hope to turn back the tide of people more than willing to spend their money on crates because... reasons! They don't seem to see the long term picture, and just want the cool mount. I get that they can spend their money on whatever they wish to, I get their wanting the cool mount... (I want it too, but won't cave to buying the crates to get it), but how they spend their money does impact future behavior on ZOS's part.

So frequently people who play MMOs seem to forget that we are the customers... and the game company is simply that... a company that relies on our financial support to stay open.

Ok but here's the thing you can not control how someone spends their own money. We have no idea what they are spending that revenue on, and I doubt they would tell us. If the games becomes one big cash grab then players will move onto the next thing.

As of yet none of us can say what that revenue is going towards, with happens if they en up fixing the game with update 13? All we got were small snipettes of what is to come. I bought a 15 pack, didn't get much so I won't buy anymore untill they either up the gem conversion rate, add more substance, ie no potions and meals, or up the chances of apex rewards. That is my decision to make. And to those that spent $300 to get what they wanted, that was their decision.

You nor anyone else in here can control someone else's money. And if boils down to a question of ethics for any individuals they are free to complain or leave. Insinuating that it is somehow a group of consumers is the reason for the evil crown crates and their continuation is a false statement.

While we are the customers in an mmo, they have no obligation to remove anything from their game because we complain about something. How many of the people that are calling ZOS greedy for introducing crown crates went and bought a 5000 crown elk? Nothing in the crates gives anyone a competitive advantage and it's too soon to say that they aren't using that money to better the game.

I completely agree I have no say in how someone spends their money. I admit that. I just really love this game and have seen game after game slowly make that turn towards money cash grabs at the sake of actual content, and would hate to see ESO turn out like those other games.

It's also true that ZOS can make the decision to not listen to their customers, and just like anything else, as a customer, I have the right to take my money elsewhere.. *which I would prefer not to do at this time*

Hypothetically speaking, get enough customers who take their money elsewhere, and ESO will be just another MMO that is seeing a decline in their player base and will eventually need to decide if it's worth keeping the lights on.

Now, I'm not saying the sky is falling, or that ESO is dying. I'm saying ZOS should carefully consider taking more steps into the greedy money cash grab realm.. because from what I have seen, it doesn't ever seem to end all that well for the game makers as their players steadily just move on to the next game that doesn't seem like a cash grab.

And here's where we come together, I love the game, I would love to see this extra income be put back into ESO. The crown crates are of no real concern to me, people will buy and people won't for various reason. But if they can fix the game and get added content that work I'm all for it. Even if it's spent on better hardware it's a plus.

It's just to early to tell yet. 1T was a good step, we will see with update 13 if it continues going in the right direction.

I personally think their marketing depth hasn't settled on anything concrete yet. Almost as if testing the waters so to speak. I mean one cs motif at 2200 crowns with 52 stones, next one 2000 crowns only 5 stones. Mount pricing is up and down. I think they are feeling out the market to try and find a sweet spot. We may never know what is really going on because forum users are a small minority of the playerbase. How many individuals have purchased crates or mounts, so they have a better handle on what is working and what isnt.

I would really like to trust and believe ZOS can do the right thing and put the extra revenue back into the game, or even a reasonable portion of it back into the game, but that is something we'll never know anything about. What I do know is, I have seen several games that I have played that started out as great games slowly become more focused on easy to make cash shop items that then unfortunately eventually turned into a reduction in actual player content. I can't tell the future, and I would so dearly love to be wrong about the slippery slope of gamble crates, but I guess only time will tell. I won't try and approach the topic of gamble crates and people who will have a difficult time just buying X amount and be able to stop, but I assume you know my position on that.

As far as ZOS trying to find their sweet spot in marketing, I would suggest that they would likely do better if they priced things at a reasonable rate and have a chance to sell more because the item was reasonable, than to overprice things, and risk angering their player base. I used this example earlier in a different post, but it still holds true... If ZOS had priced the elk mount at more reasonable price, they could have had many more players in the holiday spirit thrilled to buy their mount (I might have even bought one had it been more reasonable in price). Just think, the forums would have been filled with people expressing gratitude for the mount instead of what ended up happening... which was ZOS seemed like the Grinch who stole Christmas...

I am a big believer in cultivating good relations with your player base. In my mind, happy players are players who will recommend your game to their friends, recommend and buy your cash shop items (if priced reasonably), and will happily keep playing your game and supporting your product..

Unhappy players... well, I imagine you can imagine what unhappy players do.

I agree the elk mount was over the top, probably why you don't see too many. I bought the dro mathra senche but for me it was worth the price, at the time I was a khajit NB with dark panther pet, I also wore dro mathra style gear. But that's the funny thing about value, it's rather subjective especially when we aren't talking about something tangible, after all everything we buy in game is no more than pixels and we don't own any of it.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · December 2016

Could be worst you could be force to keep those damm potion and don't get gems at all.

Loot box don't always mean end of the game.
Look at dc universe online they have 3 kind of them:
Promethium lootboxe
Everyone gets them for free but non-member need to buy a key to open them(member for free)

Boosterbundle
10$ each always gets 10$woth of cashshop stuff+ a box of auras( wich are the wanted/apex thing in the lootbox)(not wanted one are tradable)

Time capsule
Get tem for free member get a key each 3 days, others each week(can be purchase by pack of 20 for about 20$)it also contain leveled gear

The third one apeared 4 monts ago and the game is in the best state it as been in the last 2 years. So the lootbox arent always that bad.
Ps. They got a working groupfinder(even for raid) and capes

TerraDewBerry · December 2016

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

I absolutely agree. Making things for gamble crates will quickly take the forefront of what ZOS does if people do not send a clear message that, that's not going to work for them and they would prefer content over gamble crates. Unfortunately, every time I see someone else with a storm atronach mount, I feel like there is little hope to turn back the tide of people more than willing to spend their money on crates because... reasons! They don't seem to see the long term picture, and just want the cool mount. I get that they can spend their money on whatever they wish to, I get their wanting the cool mount... (I want it too, but won't cave to buying the crates to get it), but how they spend their money does impact future behavior on ZOS's part.

So frequently people who play MMOs seem to forget that we are the customers... and the game company is simply that... a company that relies on our financial support to stay open.

Ok but here's the thing you can not control how someone spends their own money. We have no idea what they are spending that revenue on, and I doubt they would tell us. If the games becomes one big cash grab then players will move onto the next thing.

As of yet none of us can say what that revenue is going towards, with happens if they en up fixing the game with update 13? All we got were small snipettes of what is to come. I bought a 15 pack, didn't get much so I won't buy anymore untill they either up the gem conversion rate, add more substance, ie no potions and meals, or up the chances of apex rewards. That is my decision to make. And to those that spent $300 to get what they wanted, that was their decision.

You nor anyone else in here can control someone else's money. And if boils down to a question of ethics for any individuals they are free to complain or leave. Insinuating that it is somehow a group of consumers is the reason for the evil crown crates and their continuation is a false statement.

While we are the customers in an mmo, they have no obligation to remove anything from their game because we complain about something. How many of the people that are calling ZOS greedy for introducing crown crates went and bought a 5000 crown elk? Nothing in the crates gives anyone a competitive advantage and it's too soon to say that they aren't using that money to better the game.

I completely agree I have no say in how someone spends their money. I admit that. I just really love this game and have seen game after game slowly make that turn towards money cash grabs at the sake of actual content, and would hate to see ESO turn out like those other games.

It's also true that ZOS can make the decision to not listen to their customers, and just like anything else, as a customer, I have the right to take my money elsewhere.. *which I would prefer not to do at this time*

Hypothetically speaking, get enough customers who take their money elsewhere, and ESO will be just another MMO that is seeing a decline in their player base and will eventually need to decide if it's worth keeping the lights on.

Now, I'm not saying the sky is falling, or that ESO is dying. I'm saying ZOS should carefully consider taking more steps into the greedy money cash grab realm.. because from what I have seen, it doesn't ever seem to end all that well for the game makers as their players steadily just move on to the next game that doesn't seem like a cash grab.

And here's where we come together, I love the game, I would love to see this extra income be put back into ESO. The crown crates are of no real concern to me, people will buy and people won't for various reason. But if they can fix the game and get added content that work I'm all for it. Even if it's spent on better hardware it's a plus.

It's just to early to tell yet. 1T was a good step, we will see with update 13 if it continues going in the right direction.

I personally think their marketing depth hasn't settled on anything concrete yet. Almost as if testing the waters so to speak. I mean one cs motif at 2200 crowns with 52 stones, next one 2000 crowns only 5 stones. Mount pricing is up and down. I think they are feeling out the market to try and find a sweet spot. We may never know what is really going on because forum users are a small minority of the playerbase. How many individuals have purchased crates or mounts, so they have a better handle on what is working and what isnt.

I would really like to trust and believe ZOS can do the right thing and put the extra revenue back into the game, or even a reasonable portion of it back into the game, but that is something we'll never know anything about. What I do know is, I have seen several games that I have played that started out as great games slowly become more focused on easy to make cash shop items that then unfortunately eventually turned into a reduction in actual player content. I can't tell the future, and I would so dearly love to be wrong about the slippery slope of gamble crates, but I guess only time will tell. I won't try and approach the topic of gamble crates and people who will have a difficult time just buying X amount and be able to stop, but I assume you know my position on that.

As far as ZOS trying to find their sweet spot in marketing, I would suggest that they would likely do better if they priced things at a reasonable rate and have a chance to sell more because the item was reasonable, than to overprice things, and risk angering their player base. I used this example earlier in a different post, but it still holds true... If ZOS had priced the elk mount at more reasonable price, they could have had many more players in the holiday spirit thrilled to buy their mount (I might have even bought one had it been more reasonable in price). Just think, the forums would have been filled with people expressing gratitude for the mount instead of what ended up happening... which was ZOS seemed like the Grinch who stole Christmas...

I am a big believer in cultivating good relations with your player base. In my mind, happy players are players who will recommend your game to their friends, recommend and buy your cash shop items (if priced reasonably), and will happily keep playing your game and supporting your product..

Unhappy players... well, I imagine you can imagine what unhappy players do.

I agree the elk mount was over the top, probably why you don't see too many. I bought the dro mathra senche but for me it was worth the price, at the time I was a khajit NB with dark panther pet, I also wore dro mathra style gear. But that's the funny thing about value, it's rather subjective especially when we aren't talking about something tangible, after all everything we buy in game is no more than pixels and we don't own any of it.

This is very true. Value is very subjective. *Sighs* Pixel life is so hard sometimes!!! But sometimes, pixel life impacts real life... like when people reward ZOS for having things like the gamble crates (sorry, I had to try and stay on topic)...

JKorr · December 2016

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Yea and I am perfectly fine with them making money off the crates.

You should actually be thanking the people buying crates. Now you will get housing absolutely free.

If you had used that salt repellant on yourself you could have saved yourself from making this thread. No need in continuing to be salty as the crates are here to stay.

So get over it, nobody is forcing you to buy them. Oh and btw the idea that they will only add in crown crate items has already been shattered.

Housing anyone?

Private island you can only buy from the crown store, anyone?

Housing was in the works from before the clown crate person started. So were areas like clockwork city, vardenfall, and mirkmire. What new, new stuff is coming out that is in-game gold purchase only?

I would love to be wrong, and have hours of new content coming out, paid for by the clown crates "everyone" claims they are buying.

I've only been subbing since early release, bought all the mounts and costumes from the crown store I wanted. Obviously that isn't beng interested or supporting the game at all. So. Let other people pay for stuff for a while since they are so anxious to do it to say, "up yours" to anyone against the crates. I can't wait to see what your money produces for content.

o6untouchable · December 2016

Bear in mind that the crown crates - heck, the entire crown store - are aimed primarily at people who are working full time.

They're the people who have the disposable income to spend buying crowns, and they're also the people who stand to benefit the most from the items in the crown store. They pay the exact same subscription fee as everyone else, but they get less time to play the game each day, so ZOS gives them the opportunity to buy XP boosts so they level quicker, riding lessons so they don't have to wait on the in-game timer as much, and so on. ZOS does it - and pretty much every other MMO out there does it - because they understand that all the original WOW gamers are "grown ups" now, and they want/need to cater to that generation just as much as they cater to the new/current generation of gamers.

The items in the crown store are cosmetic items, and convenience items - that's all. You don't need them, and no one who buys them gets an unfair advantage. But, those people who do buy them are paying more money than you to play this game, and that money helps to finance the updates and dungeons and patches that allow this game to remain free to play for a lot of people.

Crown crates make it financially viable for ZOS to continue making this game. You don't have to buy them, and you don't have to like them... but get some perspective, and don't rag so hard on the people who are contributing more than you to keep ESO afloat.

KramUzibra · December 2016

FloppyTouch wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

y'know what? if you're going to judge people based on how they spend their money, i'mma buy more crown crates just to spite you

Haha I feel the same way!!!! Although I won't go out and get them since Iv collected most of them already at least the ones I wanted. Only missing the camel and bear.

Just got the 4 pack crown Crate after reading the OP post.

I don't know if Zenimax back door buffed these crates but after I purchased another 15 pack it seemed as if every time I got that extra fifth card it was a epic or legendary.

MrAppleman · December 2016

I've spent 65k crown crates. And I love the crown crates. I have nearly all the new mounts and all the hats.

Joy_Division · December 2016

I think the OP is overestimating the amount of resources that go into stuff like Crown Crates.

Wolfshead · December 2016

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

I total agree with you and what i think is even more fun in all this that people have gut to whine that the think the Great Elk cost so much when i have see people run around with mount from crown crates which cost 400 gem which mean that those people have spend more then 4500 crown to get those mount

I so love the dubble stand on this forum people can whine about event mount that cost so much but the dont care the spend 5000+ crown to the crown crates just to get some gem.

You know we can flip that argument right? How about the people that went nut over crown crates are now riding an elk?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That also goes for someone's opinion on what is enough value for their money.

Well you can flip how you want but when i read people whine about price of elk and then write that dont mind get crown crates mount that tell me that the are should not go on forum whine and throw stone in glasgouse and spend more money then people that buy elk

sirston · December 2016

Stopnaggin · December 2016

Wolfshead wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Let me just get out my salt repellent and put on my goggles before this (anagram alert!) hits the fan...

PSA:
If you buy crown crates, you are part of the reason ESO will continue lacking actual new content in the future. If nobody purchased the crates, then ZoS would not make money off of them, and they would have to come up with another way. Perhaps they would be forced to release new content in order to bring in revenue (either through direct purchase or subs).

So if you purchase the crates, you are sending a message that the crates are a viable way to earn revenue. It's just a business, and you play a crucial role letting the supplier know what you demand.

I total agree with you and what i think is even more fun in all this that people have gut to whine that the think the Great Elk cost so much when i have see people run around with mount from crown crates which cost 400 gem which mean that those people have spend more then 4500 crown to get those mount

I so love the dubble stand on this forum people can whine about event mount that cost so much but the dont care the spend 5000+ crown to the crown crates just to get some gem.

You know we can flip that argument right? How about the people that went nut over crown crates are now riding an elk?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That also goes for someone's opinion on what is enough value for their money.

Well you can flip how you want but when i read people whine about price of elk and then write that dont mind get crown crates mount that tell me that the are should not go on forum whine and throw stone in glasgouse and spend more money then people that buy elk

Same thing don't whine about crown crates being a money grab and then but the elk. Not your place to tell anyone else what their opinion should or shouldn't be.