SaRuZ wrote: »

I just don't understand why these new players are trying to beat content they just aren't high enough to do...

Because the game told them they could. "Go anywhere you want," it said, and they did. "Do whatever you want," it said, and they queued for Wayrest Sewers II on normal.

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mb10 wrote: »

They shouldnt be allowed to go them they get the undaunted skill line tbh

They get the undaunted skill line at level 10.

I see a lot of low levels, but for the most part haven't really had trouble with normal dungeons.

xskinzcity wrote: »

I used group finder and got into a group for vet wgt. Three of the players had less than 200 cp lol. I ended up leaving on the first boss cause they kept dying.

Now VET is another story :-)

Ah been on both sides, if your good enough you can carry a group. I don't think this how it should be but it is that way. I have also been in with some lower level players that know how to play, so I don't judge based on level alone. Even on II dungeons it's only a matter of how fast you can dps bosses and mobs. I've run with 3 man all dps low cp and cleared them with no problems, have also run 4 man 1 tank 1 heal 2 dps and had all kinds of trouble.

I would suggest not using gf unless you are sure you could survive by youself. If I use gf I'm sure to slot some sort of self heal and lots of pots.

Danikat wrote: »

Probably because you find the dungeons and quests that point to them as you're levelling up. This creates the impression that just like in other games there are dungeons dotted throughout the game which are intended to be completed at the same level as the zone they're in.

Honestly I'm still confused by it myself. I see people on the forum all the time saying dungeons are end game content which you shouldn't even consider until you're at least level 50, ideally CP 160. Then I see people in game forming dedicated low-level groups, or saying it doesn't matter since One Tamriel and you can do them any time, and I pick up quests which actively encourage me to enter dungeons. It's mixed messages.

With 1T battle spirit makes everyone have higher stat pools so yes they can run them, everything in the game is now cp160, and your battle spirit will rise to their level. What can not be judged is a person's skill, just because someone is say level 15 or 20 doesn't mean much, they could still have 561 cp, it just doesn't show on their level. With the higher stay pools they are very viable to enter any of the dungeons. HM is a different story all together.

I guess it's lack of judgment and excess of confidence.

This doesn't happen only dungeons, other group contents like Skyreach Catacombs, for example, suffer the same problem.

The other day I was about to do it and just to help I posted in zone for someone else to come. Two lowbies came and I was about to kick them but I decided to let it go.

The lowest of them started luring every small groups in one point, like high levels do to "stack and burn".

Thing is the guy lured and died every single time. When I scolded him (politely, mind you) he left. The other guy understood my points, accepted the tips before each mini-boss and we finished together.

Of course, I carried him, and obviously he was thankful for that.

CP 312 is not too low to do Vet Dungeons. I regularly do Vet Dungeon group finder runs with people in 200s+ without any problems. If you know the mechanics you shouldn't have any problems. Keep trying Vet Dungeons they are more rewarding and enjoyable.

pff

It's completely possible to do these dungeons on normal with low levels.
I started playing on PS4 recently, so a new controller loadout that I'm not used to. playing a stamina templar, level 15 at the time and also something I'm not familiar with. We randomed nWGT. In the group was me, a friend who's experienced on PS4 on a new character, one who's okay with the game in general but on a new character and he's never done this dungeon before, and one who's entirely new.

I think both sides would be much happier if the group finder created teams based on lvl/some measure of experience -there's loads of ppl who shy away from dungeons because they don't wanna be ~that guy~, so it's not just experienced players who are annoyed.
That said, flat out excluding players from this content is imo uncalled for. Both because lvl is no measure of experience and because you can just make your own (hand-picked) group instead of using the tool. *shrug*

sarahb16_ESO wrote: »

Tbh I think both sides would be much happier if the group finder created teams based on lvl/some measure of experience -there's loads of ppl who shy away from dungeons because they don't wanna be ~that guy~, so it's not just experienced players who are annoyed.
That said, flat out excluding players from this content is imo uncalled for. Both because lvl is no measure of experience and because you can just make your own (hand-picked) group instead of using the tool. *shrug*

This^

Basically....

The bottom line really is: if you don't want to group with unpredictable unknowns, don't use to a tool that does exactly that.

Get grouped up with someone you find less desirable because their CP or level isn't high enough? That's not their fault. You subjected yourself to it by using a tool designed to group you with anyone else looking for that content.

Use /zone and find people who fit your criteria if you want a specific group make up

As has been stated before, it's knowledge of the dungeons and your characters that matters, not level.

Yesterday, my husband and I queued for normal Volenfell, him on his then-level-20-something stamina dragonknight and me on my CP561 healer, because he wanted the Skillpoint. The group finder gave us two CP300+ players who dropped group shortly afterwards rather than run with a low level. Group finder bugged and only let us replace one of them, so we three manned it with the level 23 it picked for us, and were done in 20 minutes.

Today we queued for a random normal on our level 17s (dps and healer) and got White Gold Tower. We would have run it, but once again the fourth person in the group (a tank) dropped, and Group Finder didn't give an option to replace him. I would have run it anyway except I am nervous doing the first boss with less than a full group because of the cage mechanics, so we dropped that.

Grabbed two level 46s from the guild instead, one of which wanted to learn to tank (wearing mismatched dropped sets for leveling), and taught them the mechanics for Ruins of Mazzatun instead. Realized at the final boss that my armor and weapons weren't enchanted, oops! That would explain my magicka resource issues on Xal-Nur. One wipe in the whole dungeon, on the final boss, due to the final health-drain totem and the dream-state mechanic triggering at the same time; no deaths on the second take for a nice smooth finish.

Levels don't matter half as much as the knowing matters. Once you know what to do, the rest is typically easy.

And yes, levels do matter. A non CP character at level 15 does not do the same damage as a CP250.

Seriously, that argument is completely flawed. In no way are they comparable. It's that logic that keeps this system broken. What Mechanics, pray tell, are there? Tank pulls aggro, healer heals and DPS slashes away. Rinse, repeat. Yet at a low level you do not have the Health, Magicka OR Stamina. You do not have the Weapon Dmg, Armor or Skills unlocked to do anything but hack away at the first boss for an hour.

Work smarter, not harder.

Sigtric wrote: »

Since 1T I have done dungeons on both my "vet" CP characters and less than 50 characters as well.

The issue isn't level or CP count, it's knowledge of how things work (your class/skills/game mechanics) and your ability to work with your team.

I've seen some CP capped people completely blow. CP561 is really only an indication that you at least know how to grind zombies, and nothing more.


IMO if you don't want to carry people through dungeons GTFO of group finder and use /guild or /zone to get people for your group. Everyone has as much right to use group finder as anyone else.

Completely agree, well said. I'm leveling a sorc on NA atm, he lvl38. The only real difference between him and my max rank EU sorc is the dps is just under half and his sustain sucks, but that's because he's wearing lvl 20 gear, he's not really any more likely to die though. Nothing inherently wrong with a low level character, it all comes down to the experience of the player. I've never pugged on my EU sorc, might try it on NA just for giggles.