Way to go ZOS you ruined Proc sets for PvE

Stopnaggin · December 2016

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

I am more than fine and dandy with proc sets not criting in pvp, but seriously, you'll be ruining 99.99999...% of of damage dealers' builds and whatnot. PvE lives off crit and it boosts DPS. Removing the ability to crit in PvE creates more havoc than you guys need. Keep it ONLY to PvP.

As a pve guy myself, I don't think pve lives off crit, pve is more about sustain. I can run a high crit build, but honestly burst damage doesn't matter in pve as much as pvp. Being able to burst for 80k is great, but if you can't sustain that against a boss with 60 mil hp, that 80k is useless to the group.

QahnaarinDynar · December 2016

Not bothered at all hearing about it. Never used proc sets in either pve or pvp and I never will - even less so for pve. There are much better sets that I could be using that would maximize my potential in terms of dps and staying alive. But to be fair I've never really liked the idea of nerfing stuff, just because whenever I see someone using a proc set against me... the first thing I do is giggle.

I can't even remember getting killed by a proc player even once. I have on the other hand had my rear handed to me several dozen times by players who rely on skill and strategy. Fortunately those are things that ZoS will never be able to nerf no matter how much anybody complains.

Jeremy · December 2016

xskinzcity wrote: »

Lol proc set damage is just a bonus but not need needed. 95% of your damage in pve is done by class/weapon skills and ultimates anyway. I like the change for once.

For DPS builds this is probably true. But some players relied heavily on their monster sets to deal damage, and this is going to be a significant downgrade for them.

What was cool about proc sets to begin with was it enabled players to rely on certain gear combinations to acquire an offense (or heals etc.). This would then open up new ways to play their characters. For an example - a shield stacker who would play very defensively while relying on infernal guardian procs to kill things.

So I don't much care for the sound of this change. I feel it adversely affects the wrong kind of players and makes the monster sets less appealing as a stand alone option and less character defining as a result. But I'll refrain from judging it completely until after the update and I have chance to experiment with it.

As far as PvP is concerned, I suppose it might help some. But the main issue with PvP is that players like to gang up on single or smaller numbers and burst them dead instantly. And this is still going to happen.

If I was in charge of PvP - I would incorporate some kind of honor system that increased the defense of a player depending on how many players were attacking him/her. In other words: if 3 players were attacking a single player - then that single player's defenses would be multiplied x3. Because that what is needed in PvP. A system that encourages combat to spread around instead of everyone always ganging up and obliterating the same target all at once.

DoccEff · December 2016

You can still hit for more than 10K with just doing a light attack. Yes, some sets like Grothdar are too strong for PvE and needed a nerf, but removing the chance to crit won't fix PvP.

Korah_Eaglecry · December 2016

OMG WHAT EVER ARE THE SCRUBS GOING TO DO WITHOUT THEIR CRUTCH!

Own · December 2016

are more people quitting because of the proc set nerf than the actual proc set problem?

Danksta · December 2016

DoccEff wrote: »

You can still hit for more than 10K with just doing a light attack. Yes, some sets like Grothdar are too strong for PvE and needed a nerf, but removing the chance to crit won't fix PvP.

You're right, it won't fix PvP, but we still haven't seen the majority of the patch notes. Maybe something in the rest of the notes will fix it or help make it better too.

Koolio · December 2016

DoccEff wrote: »

You can still hit for more than 10K with just doing a light attack. Yes, some sets like Grothdar are too strong for PvE and needed a nerf, but removing the chance to crit won't fix PvP.

But they shouldn't nerf already underperforming sets underwhelming surge sheer venom thunder bug nerieneth spawn of mephala. So making none of those crit pushes pet to set "meta builds". I figured something other than a pve nerf to fix Pvp. I was wrong.

Unsent.Soul · December 2016

Koolio wrote: »

DoccEff wrote: »

You can still hit for more than 10K with just doing a light attack. Yes, some sets like Grothdar are too strong for PvE and needed a nerf, but removing the chance to crit won't fix PvP.

But they shouldn't nerf already underperforming sets underwhelming surge sheer venom thunder bug nerieneth spawn of mephala. So making none of those crit pushes pet to set "meta builds". I figured something other than a pve nerf to fix Pvp. I was wrong.

Those sets, like you said, are already underperforming. They need to adjust all monster sets to be on par with eachother.

Your whole point is invalid since nobody uses them anyways.

Danksta · December 2016

Koolio wrote: »

DoccEff wrote: »

You can still hit for more than 10K with just doing a light attack. Yes, some sets like Grothdar are too strong for PvE and needed a nerf, but removing the chance to crit won't fix PvP.

But they shouldn't nerf already underperforming sets underwhelming surge sheer venom thunder bug nerieneth spawn of mephala. So making none of those crit pushes pet to set "meta builds". I figured something other than a pve nerf to fix Pvp. I was wrong.

So you know these sets are definitely not getting buffed individually?

Koolio · December 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

DoccEff wrote: »

You can still hit for more than 10K with just doing a light attack. Yes, some sets like Grothdar are too strong for PvE and needed a nerf, but removing the chance to crit won't fix PvP.

But they shouldn't nerf already underperforming sets underwhelming surge sheer venom thunder bug nerieneth spawn of mephala. So making none of those crit pushes pet to set "meta builds". I figured something other than a pve nerf to fix Pvp. I was wrong.

Those sets, like you said, are already underperforming. They need to adjust all monster sets to be on par with eachother.

Your whole point is invalid since nobody uses them anyways.

Just because most people don't use them doesn't mean they need to be nerfed. They needed buffs before this "sneak peak". Now they are in an even worse place. Specific sets needed addressing. Other needed the crit to even come close to "balance". If they remove crit from Llambris then it might be on par with spawn if it can crit. They want balance but give sets like viper compared to thunder bug. Thunder was already under perform now it's still underperforming. And weaker.

Egonieser · December 2016

What's the whining for? People did just fine before proc sets, people still dominated in PvE and PvP without them at any point of the game. If you need crutches in form of proc sets for an already easy part of the game, then it's obviously a l2p issue.

Ihatenightblades · December 2016

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Proc sets
We are going to be making some changes to these sets to balance out their burst potential. When the update hits, any set that has a damage or heal proc component to it will no longer crit in PVE or PVP. We chose this direction as we like the concept of these sets and still want them to be interesting and viable, we just wanted to tone down their overall burst potential. (sustain is slightly reduced, while burst potential is significantly reduced)

ZOS in the embodiment for the metaphor, when you're a hammer everything is a nail.

This "fix" isn't going to solve the issue with proc sets. All this does is to make them less effective in PvE.

People running 3 damage proc sets in PvP will still be OP. Because even non crit the combination is still too powerful.

Implementing a 4 second global cooldown would solve the problem and still allow PvE procs to be useful. And prevent the 1 hit from stealth gank fest that is now cryodil.

This post proves that no matter what ZOS does people hate on them lol

For the last 2 months what have we heard? Nerf proc sets , elder procs unlimitied etc . People complained more than ever it needed nerfing

Now soon as it gets nerfed ( in a very fair way i believe ) people complain..

Maybe u should just switch to another game if u have been complaining since launch lol

Great idea btw ZOS what makes these proc sets op is the CRIT burst it can do and now it wont

Koolio · December 2016

Egonieser wrote: »

What's the whining for? People did just fine before proc sets, people still dominated in PvE and PvP without them at any point of the game. If you need crutches in form of proc sets for an already easy part of the game, then it's obviously a l2p issue.

My personal issue is the 60 dungeons I did over Christmas break to get the ones I wanted in Divines for CRIT. All day everyday. Now to learn I could just stick with Kena.

Unsent.Soul · December 2016

Koolio wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

What's the whining for? People did just fine before proc sets, people still dominated in PvE and PvP without them at any point of the game. If you need crutches in form of proc sets for an already easy part of the game, then it's obviously a l2p issue.

My personal issue is the 60 dungeons I did over Christmas break to get the ones I wanted in Divines for CRIT. All day everyday. Now to learn I could just stick with Kena.

Changes like this happen in EVERY MMO. It happens, just like when cap was increased, from 14- 16, these changes are part of the game.

Sorry you wasted a weekend, I know what it's like, no reason to grab the pitch fork and start a revolution.

azoriangaming · December 2016

i'm confused why zos have done this to be honest well i know why they've nerfed it but this effects pve more than pvp as in pvp it's very rare you build a crit build unless you a ganker and with incap you're still going to 1 shot people whatever gear you wear.

Egonieser · December 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

What's the whining for? People did just fine before proc sets, people still dominated in PvE and PvP without them at any point of the game. If you need crutches in form of proc sets for an already easy part of the game, then it's obviously a l2p issue.

My personal issue is the 60 dungeons I did over Christmas break to get the ones I wanted in Divines for CRIT. All day everyday. Now to learn I could just stick with Kena.

Changes like this happen in EVERY MMO. It happens, just like when cap was increased, from 14- 16, these changes are part of the game.

Sorry you wasted a weekend, I know what it's like, no reason to grab the pitch fork and start a revolution.

Exactly. Did I enjoy refarming all my sets for multiple characters and reupgrade them all to gold quality when cap was increased? Not really. However that is the cycle of MMO's. Changes will happen all the time, nothing is set in stone and you must always be ready for changes and have a back-up plan.
I do. In form of nearly full bank of gold sets and monster sets for nearly any occasion the game might throw at me. And I (and many others - should read the forums more) knew full well that procs will be nerfed aswell, so I will go back to the good and proven gear combo that works just as good without the procs, just requires a bit more skill from my side is all.

Pallio · December 2016

Apparently PvP is all that matters, PvE is just a side part of the game that no one really cares about. Grats to the PVP whiners though your most resent nerf prayers have been answered, time to move on to the next thing you want to whine about, whatever kills you next I would imagine.

Unsent.Soul · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

Apparently PvP is all that matters, PvE is just a side part of the game that no one really cares about. Grats to the PVP whiners though your most resent nerf prayers have been answered, time to move on to the next thing you want to whine about, whatever kills you next I would imagine.

Are you *** kidding?

Sinthrax · December 2016

What went wrong during testing that they put this in the way it is anyway. They broke the game with them and now will have wasted the time they spent on proc sets when they become useless. It will be back to where it was BEFORE proc sets...everyone using the regular gear. Why did they make them if they make them irrelevant. Some of them already was, now they all will be. Thats alot of wasted time they could have done something useful with.

leepalmer95 · December 2016

Pallio wrote: »

Apparently PvP is all that matters, PvE is just a side part of the game that no one really cares about. Grats to the PVP whiners though your most resent nerf prayers have been answered, time to move on to the next thing you want to whine about, whatever kills you next I would imagine.

Some proc sets like grothdarr and ilambris was obviously too strong in pve the crit nerf wasn't caused by pvp it was a flat nerf that affected the whole game because the whole game needed it.

No one knows any other changes, they could boost the non used proc sets individually.

leepalmer95 · December 2016

Sinthrax wrote: »

What went wrong during testing that they put this in the way it is anyway. They broke the game with them and now will have wasted the time they spent on proc sets when they become useless. It will be back to where it was BEFORE proc sets...everyone using the regular gear. Why did they make them if they make them irrelevant. Some of them already was, now they all will be. Thats alot of wasted time they could have done something useful with.

They won't all be irrelevant though...

Publius_Scipio · December 2016

If ZOS adds a global cooldown for procs or decreased the chance a proc would fire off, wouldn't that also decrease DPS? You might still have a higher DPS output with ZOS's current proposed change (no crit, but no change to proc chance itself) than any cooldown.

Is it even possible what the hardcore PvEers are asking? Make all the changes to proc sets only affect PvP zones and leave PvE zones alone?

What about when dueling in PvE zones? Do we need to connect IBM Watson to the mega server?

Wollust · December 2016

Forums are so much fun today. Delicious tears.

Sigtric · December 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

OMG WHAT EVER ARE THE SCRUBS GOING TO DO WITHOUT THEIR CRUTCH!

@Korah_Eaglecry

OMG THEY WILL HAVE TO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME

DoccEff · December 2016

@Wollust @Sigtric
I get it, you disagree with the people who critisise the nerf. But if you have absolutly nothing to contribute to this discussion and are just here to make fun of others, you should better just be quiet.

Sigtric · December 2016

DoccEff wrote: »

@Wollust @Sigtric
I get it, you disagree with the people who critisise the nerf. But if you have absolutly nothing to contribute to this discussion and are just here to make fun of others, you should better just be quiet.

Here's my contribution from earlier in this thread.

Sigtric wrote: »

Good change for both PVE and PVP if you ask me.

If losing crit on proc damage breaks your ability to play the game, you've got bigger issues than proc damage not getting crits.
You might have to actually work on a good build/rotation/your skill.

It clearly outlines my thoughts on the matter specifically and what one might do to overcome it if it poses a problem.

I might offer some tissues to go with it if you ask nice.

Bakven · December 2016

Gotta say I can't feel bad for the PvE'ers crying right now. PvP has been left in the mud for the longest time while everything has gone more and more in PvE favor. This change is to make PvP more balanced which has been neglected for a very long time. All this does is make proc sets not crit. Stop crying and maybe think about different builds you can try to make now or how now PvE can be a different kind of challenge

DoccEff · December 2016

Sigtric wrote: »

DoccEff wrote: »

@Wollust @Sigtric
I get it, you disagree with the people who critisise the nerf. But if you have absolutly nothing to contribute to this discussion and are just here to make fun of others, you should better just be quiet.

Here's my contribution from earlier in this thread.

Sigtric wrote: »

Good change for both PVE and PVP if you ask me.

If losing crit on proc damage breaks your ability to play the game, you've got bigger issues than proc damage not getting crits.
You might have to actually work on a good build/rotation/your skill.

It clearly outlines my thoughts on the matter specifically and what one might do to overcome it if it poses a problem.

I might offer some tissues to go with it if you ask nice.

So if you already stated your opinion on this topic why do you come back and post GIFs and sarcastic capslock-statements?

Sigtric · December 2016

DoccEff wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

DoccEff wrote: »

@Wollust @Sigtric
I get it, you disagree with the people who critisise the nerf. But if you have absolutly nothing to contribute to this discussion and are just here to make fun of others, you should better just be quiet.

Here's my contribution from earlier in this thread.

Sigtric wrote: »

Good change for both PVE and PVP if you ask me.

If losing crit on proc damage breaks your ability to play the game, you've got bigger issues than proc damage not getting crits.
You might have to actually work on a good build/rotation/your skill.

It clearly outlines my thoughts on the matter specifically and what one might do to overcome it if it poses a problem.

I might offer some tissues to go with it if you ask nice.

So if you already stated your opinion on this topic why do you come back and post GIFs and sarcastic capslock-statements?

I was answering a question someone else asked. Has nothing to do with you.