Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

Well wasn't it too long a go you were all bitching about those atro mounts hidden behind the crates that you all wanted in the crown store and were willing to pay 5000 crowns for? If this mount was in a crate you would ***

@Sigma957
I know you're generalizing but I do think you may have misunderstood something.

The post isn't saying that mounts shouldn't be for sale via crowns. I thin that is fine.

I'm saying:

-nothing for sale in the crown store should ever exceed the ESO plus crown amount. So nothing should be above 1500

-the in-game awards for cosmetic items should aesthetically be on par with crown only items

I think you misunderstood what he isn't saying. Some were willing to shell out big crowns for an atro mount but didn't like the crate idea of gambling for it.

Additionally, what is your justification for limiting prices to what one gets for one month's subscription?

ecomonic and marketing modeling determine the. Set price to sell something at. Not those of us on the forums. It's absurd to suggest limiting the price of something in the crown store based on what we get for a monthly sub.

I suggest taking a basic economics class and learn how pricing should be. Zos could care less about the feedback in this thread as they know how items sell at various prices and what works best. Good logical way to run a business.

What's funny is those upset about this are just proving Zos is right. Design something many want and set the price accordingly. See the bank account enlarge.

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

There isn't any misunderstanding or loss of context in what you're suggesting they may think or even how others perceive this.

I'm not addressing anyone who wants or prefers to spend any amount. I'm addressing the model and the impacts. See taking the approach that some will and some won't, so what....that's type of mindset is cancerous.

I've been apart of organizations who teach those ideals and they themselves having "been" a multi billion dollar corporation have now been hit with lawsuit and lawsuit as well as class action and other PR issues. So much so they file me a business name change for that division and had to ban certain staff and producers.

There was is a moral responsibility that comes with balancing a business model with ethics.

Ethically, this company has decided that it's monthly subscribers should also have to buy crowns in addition to their allotment in order to obtain exclusive real money items.

I will also address one thing because you've again tagged me and suggested that I need to learn basic economics as to which your written words are out of context and do not suggest what's your writing is a results of any successful economic teachings.

You go on to suggest that the developer could care less but have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about because they do care. It's even obvious in the recent crown store offerings. 4500 is less than 5k which was th cost of the mentioned mount by comparison in your comments.

Lastly you're then suggesting that a design brings people to buy more and ignore the context of value.

I don't mind your opinions but let's not talk out of context or from a lack of experience. If you review the pages of this thread as well as the other similar threads about crown store items whose cost is either above 1500 crowns or where the item produces a requirement of another crown purchase, the overwhelming written comments is that it's a negative received experience.

Myyth wrote: »

Its about $50 in Canada.
3000 crowns = $29.99
1500 crowns = $17.99

I will not be buying.

Sorry guys, maybe if it was $20 I would have bought it.
But I will never, ever buy a mount for $50.
I bet you would have made more money from quantity sold if you lowered the price.

Probably, a lot more people would buy it if it was at least a bit cheaper

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

Well wasn't it too long a go you were all bitching about those atro mounts hidden behind the crates that you all wanted in the crown store and were willing to pay 5000 crowns for? If this mount was in a crate you would ***

@Sigma957
I know you're generalizing but I do think you may have misunderstood something.

The post isn't saying that mounts shouldn't be for sale via crowns. I thin that is fine.

I'm saying:

-nothing for sale in the crown store should ever exceed the ESO plus crown amount. So nothing should be above 1500

-the in-game awards for cosmetic items should aesthetically be on par with crown only items

I think you misunderstood what he isn't saying. Some were willing to shell out big crowns for an atro mount but didn't like the crate idea of gambling for it.

Additionally, what is your justification for limiting prices to what one gets for one month's subscription?

ecomonic and marketing modeling determine the. Set price to sell something at. Not those of us on the forums. It's absurd to suggest limiting the price of something in the crown store based on what we get for a monthly sub.

I suggest taking a basic economics class and learn how pricing should be. Zos could care less about the feedback in this thread as they know how items sell at various prices and what works best. Good logical way to run a business.

What's funny is those upset about this are just proving Zos is right. Design something many want and set the price accordingly. See the bank account enlarge.

@Giles.floydub17_ESO

There isn't any misunderstanding or loss of context in what you're suggesting they may think or even how others perceive this.

I'm not addressing anyone who wants or prefers to spend any amount. I'm addressing the model and the impacts. See taking the approach that some will and some won't, so what....that's type of mindset is cancerous.

I've been apart of organizations who teach those ideals and they themselves having "been" a multi billion dollar corporation have now been hit with lawsuit and lawsuit as well as class action and other PR issues. So much so they file me a business name change for that division and had to ban certain staff and producers.

There was is a moral responsibility that comes with balancing a business model with ethics.

Ethically, this company has decided that it's monthly subscribers should also have to buy crowns in addition to their allotment in order to obtain exclusive real money items.

I will also address one thing because you've again tagged me and suggested that I need to learn basic economics as to which your written words are out of context and do not suggest what's your writing is a results of any successful economic teachings.

You go on to suggest that the developer could care less but have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about because they do care. It's even obvious in the recent crown store offerings. 4500 is less than 5k which was th cost of the mentioned mount by comparison in your comments.

Lastly you're then suggesting that a design brings people to buy more and ignore the context of value.

I don't mind your opinions but let's not talk out of context or from a lack of experience. If you review the pages of this thread as well as the other similar threads about crown store items whose cost is either above 1500 crowns or where the item produces a requirement of another crown purchase, the overwhelming written comments is that it's a negative received experience.

Making the accusation along ethics lines doesn't make it correct. In reality, I cannot take it seriously outside of a big stretch of the imagination.

Besides that "ethics" idea on this being complete entitlement for a sub, it's an absurd way to run a business. No where does it say that with your subscription your monthly crown allotment. Will be enough to purchase any single item. It's not realistic to expect this and isn't the way other major MMOs do this.

Any wise business man or woman would agree with his Zos is proceeding appropriately.

It's fine to charge around 2500 - even 3000 crowns for a mount, 4500 crowns is what an entire DLC should cost, not one okay-looking mount.

Stopnaggin wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

As long as their are personality types that NEED to constantly compare themselves to others, flaunting things they have that others don't in order to feel good about themselves, there will be greedy corporations taking advantage of their insecurities.

I constantly purchase items from the crown store Sometimes twice for me and my sister and it's not because I have insecurities. I have the money and how my charcter looks is extremely important to me. It's more about immersion not flaunting. It's sad that some people actually think I purchase these items to purposely show off and make them feel bad. I would be nice if zos lower the prices so more can enjoy these cool item but either way I will continue to buy them.

Just because you don't buy them to flaunt doesn't mean others don't. I could afford it, I'm not buying it, the real problem is the direction zos is heading. Another poster stated at least we get free updates, while true, they still haven't fixed even basic issues within the base game itself, but they sure find time to add things to the crown store. That's fine they are a business after all, but what I see is more of a cash grab than actual progress. Example dro mathra mount vs elk mount, how about the Grim harlequin motif that came with 52 mimic stones, FrostCaster 200 less crowns but only 5 stones, and at that very same time a sale on mimic stone. How many mimic stones could I get for those 200 crowns? I know the pack of 52 was 1800 crowns so for a motif that was 2200 crowns before, this one is basically 3800 for the same thing. And honestly not even giving enough stones to make a full set was just flat out wrong.

Again no issues if you want to buy it, if you like and can afford it knock yourself out, just not my style. Just a general observation from me.

I regret buying It... Ó.Ò

The price of this mount does not bode well for the price of housing.

This is a picture I took of Zenimax and the elk mount.

While there are players shoving money on ZOS' special location where the sun doesn't shine as soon as somehting new is announced for an exorbitant price they'll keep doing it.

It's your own fault, really.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

lygerseye wrote: »

The price of this mount does not bode well for the price of housing.

Didn't they say housing was an in game gold purchase?

All houses will be able to be purchased by gold or crowns... except the island. The island is crown only.

Oh, and there will be furniture in the crown store too.

The_Undefined wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Sub and save crowns?

I've got like 27,000 of them hanging around. Or pick up crowns on sale?

I get that the price is high, that's not a debate. 4,500 crowns for a mount is certainly excessive. But they wouldn't charge it if people weren't paying it.

Here's the deal, with crown crates / extremely unecessarily expensive mounts and costumes, this game is selecting for the people that will just pay the most when it comes to its cash shop. 4500 is a $50 purchase for those that aren't subbed or actually pick up a thing or two from the crownstore that are subbed. That's insane. No mount should ever be worth that much. - That's 3 months subscription, a whole other video game (for pc), a dinner for two... but for an electronic make believe mount? Come on ZOS...

Of course people will pay, but that's not an excuse for a company to abuse it's powers. How much more would they have made and kept their fanbase happy if they put this mount up for the usual 2500 purchase most mounts have been at? All they're doing with these changes to the store is pissing off the fanbase that WOULD'VE spent money over the section of people that are spending money.

Straight up, these business practices are sickening.

Before those of you that want to holler "Don't buy!" or "Quit!" - that's not an appropriate response to players who WANT to play the game and don't mind shelling out some money here and there. No, I won't quit, and of course I won't buy that stupid mount - but the problem is still here. The only option I have is to come here and complain as a buying customer in hopes that they'll realize that they're going too far.

Seeing how little they seem to respond / care about cash shop issues, this is probably a waste of time, but I still love the Elder Scrolls franchise, and it's worth it to me to try.

I'm not arguing one way or the other, I can only say for certain what value something is or isn't for myself.

50 bucks yep dinner or movie for 2. But there are also people that pay 700 for a phone, that's a round trip ticket for a vacation, or possible a whole vacation depending on location.

I love the game as well, but I do not like where it's headed. I would like to believe that they are gonna use some of this cash to fix their game. I know as several people posted look at what we've gotten, I can't agree with that. First no new content since db. 1T was an update that should have been in place from the start. Lag and proc sets in cyrodiil still not fixed. Balance as always, disconnects when fast traveling. Clear walls, black silouttes. Crafting way behind compared to 1t update.

What we have gotten was 2 festivals, more crown store updates and fixes than the game itself. Added fluff to distract us from said issues above. Housing comming, kinda mixed untill I see it and what the costs are, no storage is pretty bad though. An in game equivalent to something that will be in the crown store, which sounds great until you realize that the parts for it are made from unobtanium, and you need another recipe that was bad enough to get the first time around. 1 cs motif that was palatable because it came with 52 stones, while the next one was 200 crowns cheaper, but to get the equivalent stones it cost an extra 1800 crowns. And make no mistake they were put on sale at the same time on purpose.

Now personally if they manage to fix the game and add content that doesn't break more things than I will say the cs is successful and it would make it not as hard to swallow. But as of yet I haven't seen that effort. I would even consider putting off any more content until they manage to fix the base game problems, maybe add or upgrade servers.

My SO just bought this mount. It's gorgeous, but not so much so that I'm tempted to spend $40(CAD) on the thing. What I'd prefer to see is some mount rewards for difficult or time consuming achievements in-game.

That said, I'm really pleased that ZOS is consistently cranking out good looking mounts with great textures, movements, and overall aesthetics.

Bumblebeelzebub wrote: »

My SO just bought this mount. It's gorgeous, but not so much so that I'm tempted to spend $40(CAD) on the thing. What I'd prefer to see is some mount rewards for difficult or time consuming achievements in-game.

That said, I'm really pleased that ZOS is consistently cranking out good looking mounts with great textures, movements, and overall aesthetics.

For all that people complain about the mount, I think the texture is good, the animation is good, the size is right, and it looks great in the game. The scream is bad due to the frequency, at least for me, but it is better than the cow-dog mount that squeals like it is in pain. The lack of appearance change with speed, storage, and stamina is something to be concerned about, but I am waiting to see if it is a bug. It would not be the first time this was messed up on a mount.

In all, it is not a bad mount. It is actually a pretty decent mount. I think that is why people are so upset with the high price. If it was a really bad mount, no one would care about the price.

On your other statement, I would really really like them to put some new mounts into the game. Gold. Quest. Achievement. I really don't care. I know this won't happen as long as current management is around, but these people jump from studio to studio like fleas in a kennel. Eventually, all new people will be in there. Maybe they will be better. Maybe worse. That is the best I can hope for, though.