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Pve players, why don't you like PvP?
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Zyrudin✭✭✭✭Lmao right dude am sorry I don't like easy content like yourself.I never insulted you that would have caused me to be banned but hey I really don't care about what you think but as it is you just shows me that your another carebear pver who scared the big bad pvper will kill them and know that their not the best in the world.
I really do love that you don't say nothing about the rest of my post because you know it's the truth.
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Hateanthem✭✭✭✭
Man I love kids like you do anything to defend your easy mode content. Maybe one day the big bad pvpers won't kill you.
Wow another pathetic attempt at an insult, you really are juvenile beyond measures bud.
And I'm pushing 40, but apparently that is a kid to you? What are you 90+?
I love how you are the epitome of a PVP stereotype - it's hilarious!
It's easy for younger people these days to act like they are "hard" or "tough".
I was 18 when 9/11 happened, and without going into detail the next few years were quite "stressful". I've experienced the actual tough guys. People pushing buttons in a timely manner is not intimidating in the least.
It's all just hilarious.6 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And people say PVE and PVP populaces mix well. When people do it, I'ma point them toward this thread in future.3 -
wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭@Zyrudin
I like the idea, but in a different map...
Problem is, many people do not want it how you lay it out..they want an easy skyshard,delve and lorebook land.
@wazzz56
I don't think they really want easy skyshards and lorebooks in Cyrodiil, when they have more than enough in PvE areas, but I can accept that some will - there's people for everything.
By the way, why did you say "but in a different map"? The map of Cyrodiil is already done and ready and could easily be adapted to raid-type endgame PvE step-by-step objectives questlines.
@Zyrudin
Because it would offer everyone new things to explore, not just anti-pvpersGM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
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Ryuuhime✭✭✭I'm a PvEr. I like PvP. I have 2 Colonels, 2 First Sergeants and plenty of Veterans.
I love that you have to PvP if you're mainly a PvE player, and that you have to PvE if you're mainly a PvP player. Separating those 2 kind of players and letting them stay in their comfort zone the whole time they're playing the game, instead of motivating them to leave it and develop their skills, is a lot worse than having them get 100k AP for Vigor, or do 2 dungeons a day for undaunted, sets and keys.
I can assure you, as a PvEr, you have much to learn from PvP. And as a PvPer, you have just as much to learn from PvE.3 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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PvE players can be just as toxic, if not worse. In general it just about how competitive people are, and how mature they are in handling that mindset. I've seen plenty examples of people being condescending to others in PvE. Even after someone openly apologizes for not being as skilled, he is being called names and asked to just leave the group. I even see people coming into a normal mode dungeon group, and the first thing they say is "Yes im low CP, please don't kick". That says enough about the mentality of the competitive players in MMO's.andreasranasen wrote: »From a PvPer, PvP is way too toxic. Don't even bother.
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DPShiro✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hateanthem wrote: »
Man I love kids like you do anything to defend your easy mode content. Maybe one day the big bad pvpers won't kill you.
Wow another pathetic attempt at an insult, you really are juvenile beyond measures bud.
And I'm pushing 40, but apparently that is a kid to you? What are you 90+?
I love how you are the epitome of a PVP stereotype - it's hilarious!
It's easy for younger people these days to act like they are "hard" or "tough".
I was 18 when 9/11 happened, and without going into detail the next few years were quite "stressful". I've experienced the actual tough guys. People pushing buttons in a timely manner is not intimidating in the least.
It's all just hilarious.
Completely agree, and I'm sorry for your loss.~ Gryphon Heart ~
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Zyrudin✭✭✭✭
@wazzz56
Well, not everyone, as if it was a different map altogether, Players who only go for PvP would have a whole new region they wouldn't go to (like Orsinium, Gold Coast and Hew's Bane).
In this case, if it was merely a revamp of the Cyrodiil map for PvE raid questlines, Players who only PvE would be able to enjoy it then, while Players who only PvP are already enjoying that map now. So, I don't get that idea of why it would be new to everyone, sorry.0 -
nexxus_ESO✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »You are what you eat so to speak. What kind of community do you expect when the developers bring in sets like proc sets, ultimates like the destro ult, and discourage counter play with the changes made to soul assault? Yeah the community could act a bit more mature, but a lot of this toxicity is in response to the actions of the developers.
No disrespect, but this is a complete and utter load of b***s**t.
People are responsible for their behavior. Full stop.
The people on the other end of the controller and keyboard are responsible for what they say and do and no amount of tap dancing, finger pointing, and "but... but... but..." excuses bad behavior.
For as long as the internet has been accessible to the public there's been this attitude that it's somehow "not real" and therefore it's okay to throw all semblance of otherwise socially acceptable behavior out the window.
It's not.
Every last character in game (excepting the damn bots that keep popping up) is controlled by a human being, who is capable of conducting themselves in at least a minimally acceptable fashion for interacting with other people. Being online does not excuse you from common decency, manners, and conducting yourself like a functioning member of society. Ever.
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Hateanthem✭✭✭✭nexxus_ESO wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »You are what you eat so to speak. What kind of community do you expect when the developers bring in sets like proc sets, ultimates like the destro ult, and discourage counter play with the changes made to soul assault? Yeah the community could act a bit more mature, but a lot of this toxicity is in response to the actions of the developers.
No disrespect, but this is a complete and utter load of b***s**t.
People are responsible for their behavior. Full stop.
The people on the other end of the controller and keyboard are responsible for what they say and do and no amount of tap dancing, finger pointing, and "but... but... but..." excuses bad behavior.
For as long as the internet has been accessible to the public there's been this attitude that it's somehow "not real" and therefore it's okay to throw all semblance of otherwise socially acceptable behavior out the window.
It's not.
Every last character in game (excepting the damn bots that keep popping up) is controlled by a human being, who is capable of conducting themselves in at least a minimally acceptable fashion for interacting with other people. Being online does not excuse you from common decency, manners, and conducting yourself like a functioning member of society. Ever.
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
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Lmao right dude am sorry I don't like easy content like yourself.I never insulted you that would have caused me to be banned but hey I really don't care about what you think but as it is you just shows me that your another carebear pver who scared the big bad pvper will kill them and know that their not the best in the world.
Man I love kids like you do anything to defend your easy mode content. Maybe one day the big bad pvpers won't kill you.
Wow another pathetic attempt at an insult, you really are juvenile beyond measures bud.
And I'm pushing 40, but apparently that is a kid to you? What are you 90+?
I love how you are the epitome of a PVP stereotype - it's hilarious!
I really do love that you don't say nothing about the rest of my post because you know it's the truth.
I'm not sure what's more hilarious, your lack of self awareness or your inability to act with any sort of maturity whilst calling others "kid". I get why people use the term "kid", and it's usually always because the actual argument they're putting down in writing lacks any sort of cohesion or forethought. As for the rest of the nonsense you've typed, I suppose "Lmao" is as fitting a response as anything else out there.4 -
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Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hateanthem wrote: »
Man I love kids like you do anything to defend your easy mode content. Maybe one day the big bad pvpers won't kill you.
Wow another pathetic attempt at an insult, you really are juvenile beyond measures bud.
And I'm pushing 40, but apparently that is a kid to you? What are you 90+?
I love how you are the epitome of a PVP stereotype - it's hilarious!
It's easy for younger people these days to act like they are "hard" or "tough".
I was 18 when 9/11 happened, and without going into detail the next few years were quite "stressful". I've experienced the actual tough guys. People pushing buttons in a timely manner is not intimidating in the least.
It's all just hilarious.
God this is so true, I was in Desert Storm and these kids nowadays are hilarious. They don't know the difference between fear and respect. See *** on the net with a bunch of gang bangers holding fun talking about my crew is bad. Lol. Then even better are the mighty keyboard warriors. I gotta admit though, they do make me laugh.2 -
Hateanthem✭✭✭✭Stopnaggin wrote: »Hateanthem wrote: »
Man I love kids like you do anything to defend your easy mode content. Maybe one day the big bad pvpers won't kill you.
Wow another pathetic attempt at an insult, you really are juvenile beyond measures bud.
And I'm pushing 40, but apparently that is a kid to you? What are you 90+?
I love how you are the epitome of a PVP stereotype - it's hilarious!
It's easy for younger people these days to act like they are "hard" or "tough".
I was 18 when 9/11 happened, and without going into detail the next few years were quite "stressful". I've experienced the actual tough guys. People pushing buttons in a timely manner is not intimidating in the least.
It's all just hilarious.
God this is so true, I was in Desert Storm and these kids nowadays are hilarious. They don't know the difference between fear and respect. See *** on the net with a bunch of gang bangers holding fun talking about my crew is bad. Lol. Then even better are the mighty keyboard warriors. I gotta admit though, they do make me laugh.
Yeah I think my favorite meme is a bunch of gangbangers standing around throwing up gang signs and it says something like "we hard" and at the bottom there is group of Rangers in full load out and it says "that's cute, I remember my first boy scout group too".
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wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭
@wazzz56
Well, not everyone, as if it was a different map altogether, Players who only go for PvP would have a whole new region they wouldn't go to (like Orsinium, Gold Coast and Hew's Bane).
In this case, if it was merely a revamp of the Cyrodiil map for PvE raid questlines, Players who only PvE would be able to enjoy it then, while Players who only PvP are already enjoying that map now. So, I don't get that idea of why it would be new to everyone, sorry.
You do realize that PVPers actually do PVE right? The three regions you mentioned I visit basically daily.....GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
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Zyrudin✭✭✭✭You do realize that PVPers actually do PVE right? The three regions you mentioned I visit basically daily.....
Ah, alright
I was referring to the other PvP'rs, not you specifically.
You would certainly be in favour of players who do not PvP (for whatever reason) to have a chance to experience the Cyrodiil map, should that be launched?0 -
PhxOldGamer68✭✭✭✭1. If you're new to PVP, don't expect to kill other players like NPCs in PVE. Play the support role until you feel comfortable with your skills.
2. Look at the map and find the fights near your keep. Fast travel there and put a siege weapon on the wall and shoot enemies, helping the front line fighters.
3. If you can't fast travel to the keep because it's already under attack, don't ride/run in a direct path. There are gankers waiting. Take a less direct route.
4. Before leaving a keep, wait for other players and leave as a group in case gankers are out there waiting. Sometimes the ganker has all gold gear and lots of experience with his/her build, so he/she can wipe out 2 or more players easily. Sometimes there's one guy that they use as bait while the rest of the gank squad are hidden.
5. Go in Area Chat/Text Chat and listen/read for invites to a group. Join and learn. Communicate. Getting ganked? Say something and group members will come to help.
6. Playing defense of a keep earns more AP. If you're playing solo, defending can be more satisfying. Put up 2 siege weapons and fire away at enemies. Let the front line fighters take out the enemies. If you're outnumbered, siege as long as you can and many times, a large group will come help just when you thought all was lost. Use ballistas since they fire faster than trebuchets.
7. Don't leave the keep/resource you just defended until the defense tick appears or else you will not earn the AP and EXP from the successful defense.
8. Your PVP and PVE builds are usually different. Skills that work in PVE may be too slow or unnecessary in PVP.
9. If you join a group fight, stay in the back and use support skills to help the front line DPS and Tanks. Skills that can be fired from 28 meters or more and reduce the enemy's defense are great, like Elemental Susceptibility, or skills that stun like Prolonged Suffering.
10. The key to having fun in PVP is knowing your limitations and how to exploit strengths with strategy.
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wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭You do realize that PVPers actually do PVE right? The three regions you mentioned I visit basically daily.....
Ah, alright I was referring to the other PvP'rs, not you specifically.
You would certainly be in favour of players who do not PvP (for whatever reason) to have a chance to experience the Cyrodiil map, should that be launched?
In all actuality, no. They can experience it now....If I want my Skin from VMol, I have to run Vmol..If people want to experience the only PVP based area in the game, they should have to experience it in that realm.....There are plenty of empty campaigns to exploreGM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
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Zyrudin✭✭✭✭In all actuality, no. They can experience it now....If I want my Skin from VMol, I have to run Vmol..If people want to experience the only PVP based area in the game, they should have to experience it in that realm.....There are plenty of empty campaigns to explore
Oh... but I am not talking about PvP rewards being or anything like that, that would and should stay in PvP - each merit to his/her own.
I am talking about something new that is PvE made based on the current PvP map. It is not about making it easier, it could actually be the ultimate PvE endgame hard content, so that's not it either. It is not about creating a safe Cyrodiil for PvE'rs to explore, only to actually have a really hard PvE Alliance War campaign questline for groups in Cyrodiil.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why don't I PvP in ESO? Because it's not something I have the slightest interest in, and in closely following and contributing to this forum since the game launched I haven't seen a single post that would encourage me to try it, while I have seen countless posts that positively discourage me from trying it.
Every time the PvP forum community try to come together to encourage more people to try Cyrodiil it rarely gets beyond Page 1 of the topic before the "carebear" and other insults start flying. To be fair, the PvEers give as good as they get but they rarely start it. The PvP community is its own worst enemy. However, if they're right and playing against other players is much more skillful and challenging than playing with other players, why do so many of them have to "t-bag", send offensive whispers, and generally act like immature jerks when doing so? Seriously, what's all that about?
I have done PvP in a variety of MUDs and MMORPGs in years past, with more success than enjoyment, but these days as one of the older players around it's simply something I can very happily do without.6 -
wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭In all actuality, no. They can experience it now....If I want my Skin from VMol, I have to run Vmol..If people want to experience the only PVP based area in the game, they should have to experience it in that realm.....There are plenty of empty campaigns to explore
Oh... but I am not talking about PvP rewards being or anything like that, that would and should stay in PvP - each merit to his/her own.
I am talking about something new that is PvE made based on the current PvP map. It is not about making it easier, it could actually be the ultimate PvE endgame hard content, so that's not it either. It is not about creating a safe Cyrodiil for PvE'rs to explore, only to actually have a really hard PvE Alliance War campaign questline for groups in Cyrodiil.
still want new map, I am not talking reward either, I am talking skyshards, lorebooks etc....GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
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wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭In all actuality, no. They can experience it now....If I want my Skin from VMol, I have to run Vmol..If people want to experience the only PVP based area in the game, they should have to experience it in that realm.....There are plenty of empty campaigns to explore
Oh... but I am not talking about PvP rewards being or anything like that, that would and should stay in PvP - each merit to his/her own.
I am talking about something new that is PvE made based on the current PvP map. It is not about making it easier, it could actually be the ultimate PvE endgame hard content, so that's not it either. It is not about creating a safe Cyrodiil for PvE'rs to explore, only to actually have a really hard PvE Alliance War campaign questline for groups in Cyrodiil.
I really want new area to explreGM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
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✭✭✭In all actuality, no. They can experience it now....If I want my Skin from VMol, I have to run Vmol..If people want to experience the only PVP based area in the game, they should have to experience it in that realm.....There are plenty of empty campaigns to explore
Oh... but I am not talking about PvP rewards being or anything like that, that would and should stay in PvP - each merit to his/her own.
I am talking about something new that is PvE made based on the current PvP map. It is not about making it easier, it could actually be the ultimate PvE endgame hard content, so that's not it either. It is not about creating a safe Cyrodiil for PvE'rs to explore, only to actually have a really hard PvE Alliance War campaign questline for groups in Cyrodiil.
I really want new area to explre
This game really needs new area content more than anything. They can add all the bells and whistles they want, but we've been running over the same ground for months on end now. I don't mean more dungeon dlc either. The game needs a new landmass opened up.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on December 21, 2016 7:21PM5 -
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why don't I PvP in ESO? Because it's not something I have the slightest interest in, and in closely following and contributing to this forum since the game launched I haven't seen a single post that would encourage me to try it, while I have seen countless posts that positively discourage me from trying it.
Every time the PvP forum community try to come together to encourage more people to try Cyrodiil it rarely gets beyond Page 1 of the topic before the "carebear" and other insults start flying. To be fair, the PvEers give as good as they get but they rarely start it. The PvP community is its own worst enemy. However, if they're right and playing against other players is much more skillful and challenging than playing with other players, why do so many of them have to "t-bag", send offensive whispers, and generally act like immature jerks when doing so? Seriously, what's all that about?
I have done PvP in a variety of MUDs and MMORPGs in years past, with more success than enjoyment, but these days as one of the older players around it's simply something I can very happily do without.
This.1 -
Riejael✭✭✭✭✭Well, ESO has some of the best PvE Content ever made in any MMO. There are many many PvP games out there. Why would anyone choose the game with the best PvE only to talk about PvP. I can't believe, ESO has the best PvP around. So why anyone disliking PvE spends his time here and questions PvE is totally beyond me.
I can believe why people PVP here.
Planetside 2 is the most PVP oriented MMO out there right now. There's no quests, no NPCs, you fight players from character creation to endgame (which starts after character creation). Its basic game play is VERY VERY similar to Cyrodil in ESO. I'd almost think it was the inspiration for Cyrodil.
3 Factions making for a 3-way fight.
Fighting over a continent sized area.
Taking one base(fort) allows you to take the next.
Can use heavier weapons (tanks or catapults) to knock down walls.
Numbers are NOT strictly regulated.
Persistent Consequences, what you do one evening affects the map for the next day potentially.
The difference between the two games:
Medieval High Fantasy vs Futuristic Science Fiction
ESO has you level to 10 before PVP
ESO has PVE content
ESO has levels, Champion Points (on some campaigns), and gear that gives an edge, PS2 has unlocks that give more options (Vertical progression vs Horizontal progression).
Every other MMO has the same differences, but LACK the similarities. Take WoW for example. Its PVP is highly regulated match based arcadey fights like King of the Hill and Capture the Flag. It WILL be a 10 v 10, 15 v 15, or 40 v 40. There's no leading mass armies into each other. There's also NO persistence. A match is over in 10-20 minutes and the outcome DOES NOT affect the next match.
Same thing for FFXIV, EQ2, STO, SWTOR, Tera, Rift, ect.
PVP in Black Desert Online and Everquest 1 are interesting because of their FFA nature. But in reality don't offer much reason to PVP other than to push people out of PVE areas.
Archeage is similar to BDO and EQ to that you can PVP your own faction to gain dominance over a PVE area. And there is methods of taking guild castles and claiming territory. But its still measured and regulated.
So there is TWO options for the style of PVP that ESO brings to the table. ESO and PS2. PS2 is a FPS. So that right there might be a turn off for many. PS2 is science fiction, again a turn off to those who want medieval fantasy.
So what other options do you know of that allows unrestricted, large zone-wide, persistent PVP?1 -
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✭✭Nyghthowler wrote: »I don't like PvP because I have M.S. .My reaction times are too slow, and my fingers don't always hit the buttons I tell them to.
I play games to relax and have fun. PvP mixed with M.S. is not fun to me. Playing story line quests and not worrying about letting others down is my speed any more.
Hope this answers your question.
I'm with this guy, though for several other reasons.
1) I have never liked PvP in any MMORPG, and I never have. It's my own private opinion, but I think it was a mistake for the first MMO to have ever opened that Pandora's Box, and PvP is a cancer on MMO's today. The resources devoted to PvP could be put to much better use creating more content for PvE, and deepening the existing content rather than putting it into a pointless exercise like PvP. As I said, that's just my personal opinion.
2) I have disliked PvP in MMO's, even before I started showing the signs of Parkinson's. Now that the disease is fully realized, it's a nigh impossibility for me to participate in PvP, even if my opinion of PvP in MMO's were to change. Even with my medication, my hands shake too badly and my fingers don't always go where I want them to, and so going into Cyrodiil for anything but Skyshards is futile for me. So being able to just play the game at my own pace in PvE, not having to worry about the pressures of pinpoint timing in a PvP setting, that's the best way I know of to relax.
Now, I do get ambushed in Cyrodiil while Questing or Shard hunting. But when a zerg group rolls up on me, I just put my controller down, go refresh my drink, and let them have at me. I simply cannot react in any way to actually do anything to them, so I just wait and respawn back at the nearest Keep.
So not only do I not PvP out of distaste for the whole format of PvP in MMO's, I simply cannot physically join or enjoy PvP.
So, I'll stick with my leisurely exploring and Questing on the PvE side.
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Zyrudin✭✭✭✭In all actuality, no. They can experience it now....If I want my Skin from VMol, I have to run Vmol..If people want to experience the only PVP based area in the game, they should have to experience it in that realm.....There are plenty of empty campaigns to explore
Oh... but I am not talking about PvP rewards being or anything like that, that would and should stay in PvP - each merit to his/her own.
I am talking about something new that is PvE made based on the current PvP map. It is not about making it easier, it could actually be the ultimate PvE endgame hard content, so that's not it either. It is not about creating a safe Cyrodiil for PvE'rs to explore, only to actually have a really hard PvE Alliance War campaign questline for groups in Cyrodiil.
I really want new area to explre
Oh, I want that too
So, if it wasn't a either/or matter, you wouldn't oppose that campaign as long as a new area was also provided for the people who PvP'd and PvE'd as well. Got it now.
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✭some players prefer to play against artificial inelegance instead of real players
some find it too salty
some join random groups around and end up getting destroyed because of 1-2 spies in the random group
some cant afford new sets - even though u could do just fine with impenetrable/purple quality sets
so on so forth0