In Normal Random, you must kick LV30-.In Vet, you must kick CP300- !!!

Ryuuhime · December 2016

Some days ago, I queued on the group finder as a healer. I ended up on a group that was on the last boss of veteran Crypt of Hearts I with three CP30-90 guys who were trying to complete their first veteran dungeon (I'm CP780 by the way). Total group damage according to Combat Metrics was 17k, of which 7k were mine as healer. We completed it after a 15min long fight.

You have no idea how happy they were! And so was I, happy to help. There was no need to kick anyone for low CP or dps.

I have however, vote kicked people from groups for being pure *** and wanting to kick the lowbie in the group before even starting the dungeon, people just like yourself.

rotaugen454 · December 2016

I only boot people who don't say "Hail Sithis!" after joining the group.

VinyParsley2016 · December 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

I only boot people who don't say "Hail Sithis!" after joining the group.

What's wrong with Sithis?

VinyParsley2016 · December 2016

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Don't feed the obvious troll. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/305085/kick-the-low-cp-guys-always-no-mercy/p1

Come on, man. I just want to share my experience with people.

VinyParsley2016 · December 2016

Ryuuhime wrote: »

Some days ago, I queued on the group finder as a healer. I ended up on a group that was on the last boss of veteran Crypt of Hearts I with three CP30-90 guys who were trying to complete their first veteran dungeon (I'm CP780 by the way). Total group damage according to Combat Metrics was 17k, of which 7k were mine as healer. We completed it after a 15min long fight.

You have no idea how happy they were! And so was I, happy to help. There was no need to kick anyone for low CP or dps.

I have however, vote kicked people from groups for being pure *** and wanting to kick the lowbie in the group before even starting the dungeon, people just like yourself.

Funny! How do you know who vote kick?

Vrienda · December 2016

Did a vet dungeon with a CP19 healer, 127 DPS and 56 tank today.

Got the no deaths achievement. High CP doesn't automatically make a player good.

EvilCroc · December 2016

Hey, I have 561cp main. My alts are ready to do all normal randoms at 10lvl. If you don't like it - you are free not to use group finder.

ArchMikem · December 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Kick one lowbie at the beginning, usually the lowest level/CP lowbie. If you are failed to kick, try again, again and again

Or how about you just leave. If you have a problem, you leave. Don't be a phallic body part about it.

Rickter · December 2016

does the grouping tool not put people of the same level together?

kojou · December 2016

I have never kicked anyone from a Non-Vet dungeon, those are easy enough it really doesn't matter.

Vet dungeons however... I have only ever voted to kick someone once. We had tried the final boss several times and the DPS was just not putting out enough, so rather than all 4 walking away I voted to kick the DPS and pulled in a friend.

Most of the time I give advice and explain mechanics and we get through it.

Now if you are talking about ICP, WGT, RoM, or CoS then I won't run those on vet mode unless I know the people that I am running with, but that has nothing to do with the amount of CP they have...

vamp_emily · December 2016

I did a few things this weekend that I normally don't do. I used the group dungeon tool and helped a guild out in a trial.

The group dungeon tool wasn't too bad. My friend and I got matched up really quick, but the 2 pugs that joined were very low CP. I think it was cp60 and cp140. I didn't complain, but i did say something up front letting everyone know that there is a good chance we would die, and just be nice to each other and we might get through it. We were in Splindle II Vet dungeon, and one of the players quit, and then we found another replacement and they quit, and then another person quit because we couldn't find a replacement.

Also this weekend, a friend asked me to help a different guild in completing a trial. For the most part it was fun, but during the last boss I didn't like the fact that one of the players were belittling everyone for doing a really bad job.

After this weekend, I just wanted to give my guild a big hug for making my play time so much more enjoyable. FDR does not have to belittle people to get their point across, nor do we have players dropping out because everyone is having a hard time. We have good players and we have bad players, but when we are together we are just awesome players

SirAndy · December 2016

boom782 · December 2016

xX_NachtJager_xx wrote: »

That's where you're wrong buddy. I've ran with some cp400's and even 561's that were utter garbage. While at the same time running with some really good cp200's. and maybe that level 30 is actually a 561 leveling up a new toon.

What he said. There are so many garbage 561's in this game it is insane. Go google how to make a build for crying out loud! I have played with tons of 150-300 CP people that could run circles around many 561's.

Only people I typically kick instantly are those under lvl 15. I don't care if they are 561 CP, they do not have 80% of their skills unlocked and can't even bar swap so they are dead weight!

ForsakenSin · December 2016

i don't know what to say to this....

Ive never kicked or will kick somebody who is a low cp .. if they are Ass$&*(@# and deserve it then yhea .. i played with some guys who are random cp 200 some of them were cp90 and i had no problem whats so ever we finished it and had fun , and yet i played with random cp 500 and was a horrible horrible templer healer who was qued as healer and was doing dps not healing and kept on getting killed...

Its never about cp its about the player

One random time i had players with cp 200 300 and 150 and tank was getting killed and soon we all died ... so what ive done i went from pure DPS to Tank i changed all my Armour got sword and board got my pets out and that made me have 34k health and i was just tanking the boss and blocking while they were doing dps and guess what ? we finished it no problems ..

Im sorry but people who kick low end cp are dushebags , i love the challenge and i know my ability and if i will always decline getting low cp from getting kicked out , YOU don't like it then YOU GET OUT and we will find a YOUR replacement and finish it ..people forget that they were once low end as well .. and how do you think that makes them fell ? meh...

Leogon · December 2016

Beardimus wrote: »

Wow man, sounds like a L2P issue on your part. If you cant solo a normal dungeon by now, let alone handle it alongside helping some L25 guys (who prob have 561CP just on a new toon) then you need to get better.

This. I've been soloing vet dungeons since I was ~ 300CP so if he can't handle a normal dungeon with other players(good or bad) then it's definitely a learn to play issue on his part.

By the way OP, you and your type of players shouldn't be so quick to judge low level players 'cuz a lot of them are better players than you.

VinyParsley2016 · December 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Kick one lowbie at the beginning, usually the lowest level/CP lowbie. If you are failed to kick, try again, again and again

Or how about you just leave. If you have a problem, you leave. Don't be a phallic body part about it.

Yes, I usually leave if I can't kick the lowbie. Compared with wasting hours with lowbies, 15 mins wait is not a big deal.

Ivehn · December 2016

I don’t agree with kicking people from normal dungeons based on their level, especially before the run has even started. How are new players going to learn mechanics and improve if they are not given a chance to actually play the content? I find that playing with inexperienced players gives you a reason to revisit mechanics, instead of mindlessly burning through things for instance. I realize that nobody enjoys drawn out runs, but completion in such cases becomes that much more rewarding, and for every horror story there is a pleasant one. I was recently leveling a new character, and I joined a group for nICP, consisting of myself - a level 49 DPS at the time, a level 11 tank, a level 18 DPS and a CP200 healer. And we completed the run without any deaths because everyone was cooperative and had a positive attitude. It took us more time than it would have with higher level DDs, but we felt so accomplished in the end, and it was fun. I like finishing a random dungeon in 20 minutes as much as the next person, but if I get low level players in my group it gives me a chance to adjust my playstyle, actually think on what I’m doing, and even offer some advice, so new players can learn the dungeon, and use that knowledge for their future runs

NordSwordnBoard · December 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Kick one lowbie at the beginning, usually the lowest level/CP lowbie. If you are failed to kick, try again, again and again

Or how about you just leave. If you have a problem, you leave. Don't be a phallic body part about it.

Yes, I usually leave if I can't kick the lowbie. Compared with wasting hours with lowbies, 15 mins wait is not a big deal.

Pass the 15 mins getting to the first boss?

If you hold your group judgements until then, your finder penalty will be 5 mins or less if you do leave. You will also have an actual sample of group skill to go on instead of your own conjecture.

SolarCat02 · December 2016

Normal dungeons are a piece of cake. My husband and I duoed Spindleclutch I at lvl 14 on our married characters, him dps-ing as a magicka sorcerer (no shields unlocked) with me as dps/off-heals on my templar (lingering ritual and the occasional breath of life). No bar swap no deaths, whole thing took less than 20 minutes with just the two of us.

My saptank has been carrying groups through normal ICP since level 16. (For some reason, "random normal" = "ICP" unless I group with someone else before queuing with her. I guess lots of tanks drop group and give up?)

If you can't do a dungeon with someone low level, the issue isn't necessarily with them. Just saying.

NewBlacksmurf · December 2016

Rickter wrote: »

does the grouping tool not put people of the same level together?

No as such it seemed too impossible for the devs to do this.
It hasn't worked in level range since the first 90 days on PC after they raised VR the first time

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2016

Kicking a group member based solely on level is never acceptable IMO if you are using group finder. If you dont like it, join a guild or you know, make some friends. Otherwise, you are just kind of a lousy person/player.

Yes there are some DPS checks in this game. I recently leveled a tank and have been doing a fair amount of pugging (best way to learn to tank IMO). Some groups just arent going to make it through a dungeon, but there is no way to know until after a few pulls.

One thing you can definitely do is download Combat Metrics. It doesnt give individual DPS, but it does give group DPS. If your Group DPS is less than about 30k, nothing wrong with politely leaving if its a vet dungeon.

This happened to me the other day. FYI, both DPS were 561 CP. They had both indicated it was their first time in Darkshade II. We got to the first boss which took about 5 minutes to kill. No biggie as I could tank him indefinitely. Looked at the Group damage and it was like 24k. I knew the netch fight was going to be an issue. Sure enough, I was the last one standing with over 40 netches on the screen. I politely said that I didnt think we had the DPS to clear and left the group. It was a true statement. We simply werent going to get passed that fight. I have also seen low CP groups fly through dungeons like VWGT or VICP. Level is not necessarily a reflection on skill.

Danksta · December 2016

So I'm soft if I don't kick players that are less than lvl 30 on a normal dungeon?? Hmmm... That's funny, I think you're soft if you need help with a normal dungeon.

TequilaFire · December 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Because, these days, I saw too many discussions about people are suffering from playing with lowbies, I think it is time to let the people know this rule again. Kicking LV30- in Normal random, and CP300- in Vet random, ever and ever!

No mercy!!! Trust me, no mercy, if you are soft, finally no one will appreciate you , the only thing you get is hurt yourself.

Share a story happened last week. I ran vet random dungeon to get some XP and rewards. I got darkshade cavern 2. The crown tank and one dps(both CP200+)were in dungeon, me healer and the other DPS CP400+ were outside. I felt not good, because, based on my experience, at 90% chance it is a typical [Snip] group.

After I jumped in, I found the crown tank and CP200+ DPS were stuck in final boss engine guardian. Obviously, they know each other cuz they were chatting, loudly and noisy. Then, I can be sure 99% it is a [Snip] group. Here I want to share another rule - noisy group are usually [Snip] group. However, I still decided to have a try because we were at finally boss already, easy XP is always very tempting.

Fact proved it was my another horrible dungeon experience. The CP200- DPS' damage number was very low so we couldn't kill the boss fast, and kill the adds asap. The most annoying thing was the tank always melee attack engine guardian. I and CP400+ DPS asked them kill adds, and dont melee attack, none of them listen and follow. The tank said his dps is low, so he has to do melee attack. Very ridiculous, I don't understand! Finally, I didn't easy XP, I got another sucky boss fight. We took almost 30 mins, and 1 time wipe.

[Edit to remove censor bypass]

Hmm, there are more lowbies out there maybe they should start taking the attitude to always kick people that think they know how to play with your attitude as well.

Inhuman003 · December 2016

I had the same thing done yesterday, (number problem 1 Sorcerer healer CP189) the two DPS CP230 and CP49. they done a good job but at the last boss I said self heal and 50/50 kills adds first and attack boss next but they just attack the boss and adds keep on coming. And we done this 7time and still the same thing so I called it quits.

LordGavus · December 2016

No one should be kicked in a normal dungeon. My friends and I have 3 manned a bunch as lvl 8 - 10 without assigning any of our CP. Also one of us was new to eso.
Vet is a different story but unless it's a dlc dungeon I don't kick people unless they actually do something to deserve it.

ValkynSketha · December 2016

I will say it again, those that kick low level players are bad players that want others to carry them. Besides group finder is meant for players who want to get to know their role/build/dungeon.

idk · December 2016

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Kick one lowbie at the beginning, usually the lowest level/CP lowbie. If you are failed to kick, try again, again and again

Or how about you just leave. If you have a problem, you leave. Don't be a phallic body part about it.

Yes, I usually leave if I can't kick the lowbie. Compared with wasting hours with lowbies, 15 mins wait is not a big deal.

Funny how the elitists are never elite.

LadyLethalla · December 2016

IMO if you're doing a vet dungeon with someone who's selected Tank and who clearly isn't one, that should be the only reason to kick. We were trying to do vet Selene's a few days ago... we persisted with a Sorc "tank" until the last boss but then kicked him after the third wipe. The next "tank" left before he ported into the dungeon. The third (or possibly fourth) had S&B and a taunt, and we completed it easily on HM.

THAT should be the only reason to kick - if you can't do the role you've queued for. As noted by others, if a group member is pulling their weight it shouldn't matter what their CP is.

acw37162 · December 2016

I found the ever elusive stam sorc healer in group finder today.

He was a crappy healer and a sub par DPS.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2016

LadyLethalla wrote: »

IMO if you're doing a vet dungeon with someone who's selected Tank and who clearly isn't one, that should be the only reason to kick. We were trying to do vet Selene's a few days ago... we persisted with a Sorc "tank" until the last boss but then kicked him after the third wipe. The next "tank" left before he ported into the dungeon. The third (or possibly fourth) had S&B and a taunt, and we completed it easily on HM.

THAT should be the only reason to kick - if you can't do the role you've queued for. As noted by others, if a group member is pulling their weight it shouldn't matter what their CP is.

Ha! Selenes has I am sure caused more than a few rage kicks/quits. The last boss has an unblockable one shot, even for a tank that is blocking. It's not hard to avoid once you get the hang of it, but even a great tank is probably gonna die a time or three if they have never seen the fight before. That Bear is OP!