Where is the Stamina equilvant to Witch Mothers Brew?

radicalb21 · December 2016

I know this is going to cause some issues with a few people. Let me say this though lets say stamina got it and magicka didn't the magicka people would be complaining so don't come in here and say stamina doesn't need it. It's not fair that one has an advantage and the other doesn't. This goes back to a larger issue that occurred in Thieves Guild update where stamina got nerfed and magicka got buffed. Then in DarkBrotherhood magicka got nerfed and stamina got buffed. But in and ESO Live video just after Thieves Guild update Eric Wrobel said in hindsight that there should have been a balance of changes to both stamina and magicka at the same time instead of making the other group of players wait 3 months for the next update. So hear is my question to Zenimax:

Where is the balance for stamina concerning a Witch Mothers Brew equivalent?

There have now been two holiday events and no stamina recipe has been that is equivalent to Witch Mother Brew. Now I personally think this would help immensely to add a recipe like this to the game as it would add and make possible more diverse builds and more well rounded play both in PVE and PVP space.

psychotic13 · December 2016

Where's my Magicka vipers? Stamina and magicka aren't supposed to be a mirror of each other

Isellskooma · December 2016

What so People can sustain better with 3 proc sets?

radicalb21 · December 2016

Ok as far a recipes go in the game they should be equal. Now you bring up armor sets and right now we know for a fact that viper is broken and is being fixed in a future update. So here's my question to you why is Toruq Pact a craftable 2pc spell damage increase and there is no weapon damage equivalent craftable for stamina? We can keep doing this all day but the point is as far a recipes go there should be a balance. If Zenimax decides not to add the stamina equivalent I think it would be fair for Zenimax then to remove witch mothers brew from the game so that balance and good game play could be maintained without group having a decided advantage.

Brutusmax1mus · December 2016

I think food should be balanced too. I have a while build just waiting for when they introduce this drink. Bone pirates/draugr hulk will be fun.

radicalb21 · December 2016

I agree with you brutus

Knootewoot · December 2016

Already magicka is the weak damage compared to stamina burst. And now stamina complains about sustain? can't you dodge roll infinite already?

Please dodge roll out of the forums

SublimeSparo · December 2016

How about this-
You get your drinks
But
Magicka, gets to block, dodge, run and cc break with magicka, so they don't have to split their resources between mag an stam,

Pangnirtung · December 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

Already magicka is the weak damage compared to stamina burst. And now stamina complains about sustain? can't you dodge roll infinite already?

Please dodge roll out of the forums

Too funny. Are things EVER balanced. Have they EVER been balanced?

A couple of years ago it was the exact reverse with magic being slightly OP and the complaining was exactly the same.

This discussion will be going on forever. Any perceived imbalance has people asking for nerfs or that their class be improved. Sigh....

psychotic13 · December 2016

radicalb21 wrote: »

Ok as far a recipes go in the game they should be equal. Now you bring up armor sets and right now we know for a fact that viper is broken and is being fixed in a future update. So here's my question to you why is Toruq Pact a craftable 2pc spell damage increase and there is no weapon damage equivalent craftable for stamina? We can keep doing this all day but the point is as far a recipes go there should be a balance. If Zenimax decides not to add the stamina equivalent I think it would be fair for Zenimax then to remove witch mothers brew from the game so that balance and good game play could be maintained without group having a decided advantage.

Why should they be equal?

Mothers brew won't get removed lol

That's your argument? There's a craftable 2pc for spell damage lol, go on any trader and you'll be able to buy a 2pc Leki for pennys that gives weapon damage

Enslaved · December 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

Where's my Magicka vipers? Stamina and magicka aren't supposed to be a mirror of each other

Where is my DK's class execute?
Why can't curse be purged anymore?
Why is destro ulti non blockable?

The ride never ends...

Browiseth · December 2016

why does everything have to be the same

Mitoice · December 2016

Wait, unless i get a DW magicka weapon you wont get a witchmother brew stamina, buahahahaha

cschwingeb14_ESO · December 2016

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I think food should be balanced too. I have a while build just waiting for when they introduce this drink. Bone pirates/draugr hulk will be fun.

That's the problem, there is no magicka Bone Pirate or Draugr Hulk either. Because magicka and stamina are different! I wouldn't expect to get a stam/health/stam regen food any time soon.

(don't say Necropotence, the pet requirement makes that a mostly useless set)

heyjrey · December 2016

I mean yeah, as a stamina user myself (#stamforthewin), I would of loved to see a stam equivalent to the Witch Mother's Brew recipe, but I'm kinda loving the new Lava Foot Soup (Max Stamina + Stamina Regen) recipe. Yeah, I may be gimped on health, but when you have abilities that help you stay alive like Vigor, it's not that bad. Especially since my stam regen on my NB Woodelf is at ~2k, and since vigor is my health regen stam ability, I don't really have a problem with being gimped on health. Idk if my sentences are even making sense right now lol—so tired.

But anyway, I honestly think this game is VERY biased towards Stamina users. There are A LOT and I mean a lot of max stamina sets, stamina regen sets, stamina regen abilities (like repentance for example), and magicka users don't nearly have as much as us stamina users. Like you don't see many, (if any) magicka equivalent sets to the Draugr Hulk that add a *** of max magicka. You don't see abilities that give you and your group basically all your magicka back after killing an add or enemy player. Idk, I kinda feel bad for Magicka users in that sense. They're kinda getting screwed over a bit.

So to complain about there not being a stamina food equivalent to Witch Mother's Brew is crazy lol.

Izaki · December 2016

Why exactly would you want Witchmother's Brew in a stamina version when you already have so many things to work with? Plus IMHO that drink is pretty trash for anything other than a heavy armor magblade.

rimaxo14_ESO · December 2016

There is a stamina recipe I've gotten 2 adds stamina and stamina recovery I can link the name when I get home

Korah_Eaglecry · December 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

Where's my Magicka vipers? Stamina and magicka aren't supposed to be a mirror of each other

Are you seriously trying to compare a set to a pot? They arent even on the same level...And may I remind you of Eye of the Storm?

Fodore · December 2016

radicalb21 wrote: »

Ok as far a recipes go in the game they should be equal. Now you bring up armor sets and right now we know for a fact that viper is broken and is being fixed in a future update. So here's my question to you why is Toruq Pact a craftable 2pc spell damage increase and there is no weapon damage equivalent craftable for stamina? We can keep doing this all day but the point is as far a recipes go there should be a balance. If Zenimax decides not to add the stamina equivalent I think it would be fair for Zenimax then to remove witch mothers brew from the game so that balance and good game play could be maintained without group having a decided advantage.

But you see you have hundings and need doc to get julianos so...

Tonturri · December 2016

You already have it. It's right there, in the form of lower ability costs across the board for stam skills compared to magicka.

STEVIL · December 2016

radicalb21 wrote: »

Ok as far a recipes go in the game they should be equal. Now you bring up armor sets and right now we know for a fact that viper is broken and is being fixed in a future update. So here's my question to you why is Toruq Pact a craftable 2pc spell damage increase and there is no weapon damage equivalent craftable for stamina? We can keep doing this all day but the point is as far a recipes go there should be a balance. If Zenimax decides not to add the stamina equivalent I think it would be fair for Zenimax then to remove witch mothers brew from the game so that balance and good game play could be maintained without group having a decided advantage.

RE the bold: Why?

Stam builds in medium vs mag builds in light have different ways to do optimize damage and sustain, the weapons lines have different ways to optimize damage and sustain and stamina has extra armor bonus from medium right out the get go.

So given all those differences in damage and sustain between mag and stam there is no intrinsic obvious link that says "so even though there are these differences in damage, max stat and sustain therefore all the foods/drinks that affect max stat and sustain should be identical."

IMX most stam builds dont have tough enough time with sustain to warrant dropping their max stam (and max dmg) to get more sustain by using said purple potion over the higher bonus blue food they already use.

LjAnimalchin · December 2016

Cus 9/10 are magicka builds and the QQ would be just too loud. Jk. Probably balance.

radicalb21 · December 2016

This post is about a recipe not sets. Up until Witch Mother Brew was added the recipe were balanced. Sets are a whole other topic all together and a much longer discussion.

radicalb21 · December 2016

Can please get a zenimax response to this please.

Paneross · December 2016

Why so you can gank proc someone even faster than 3 seconds. #Nerfstam

Paneross · December 2016

radicalb21 wrote: »

Can please get a zenimax response to this please.

Why just so they can say "no there isn't one and there won't be one."

Orynn · December 2016

I asked the same question in guild chat awhile back after looking into using the Bone Pirate set. I started looking at drink recipes and noticed this discrepancy. To me, it makes no sense to not have a stamina equivalent as, was stated above, the recipes, to this point, have retained parity.

Just my opinion and I just didn't bother using the set as a "solution" to this quandary. I'd rather not lose 5k health just because they neglected to add a stamina equivalent to Witch Mother's Brew. A neat set but without a "decent" (in my opinion) drink just not worth the trade-off.