SadieJoan wrote: »

I still only grab defence sigil right at the start, I find it the best for me personally, I guess everyone has their own little tactics for this, but I don't even need the others, I use them if I am having a bad time after the top bit, but that first defence sigil at the start is always the first thing I do when the boss teleports from the middle, because for me, the first bit is the most challenging, and it gets much easier from there

It's exactly what I had said previously in the VMA Last Boss Thread:

Stipulated below:

You got to keep in mind, these guys are learning at this strat doesn't work for most.

As mentioned 3 times during this post, the way to do it as seen in my videos and guides.

DPS Boss 90%
Grab Defensive Sigil
Kill Healer
AOE on boss
Prepare for CG burn to 70-69%
Clanfear to portal
Crystal DPS 1 crystal if you dodge roll wrong way don't worry go to the next crystal (they all die in the end)
When learning turn your camera towards boss and walk around the ring, it's basically side stepping at full speed.
Dodge When required.

Remember it's 1 dodge, wall, 2 dodge, wall, 2 dodge wall - This is critical to remember and remember to turn your camera to boss as if you're side stepping.

Last phase - now this is key.

If you happen to fall down at POWER or HASTE GRAB IT.
Regardless.
If you happen to be in front of HEALING SIGIL IGNORE! and go to boss.
You leave healing for the CG if he spawns to secure your kill.

For lols, I did it on my stam sorc last night with 14.5k HP and 23k STAM 5 deaths. It's very achievable if you follow this strat. - edit: and no vigor.

This has what gotten people the kill, it's undoubtable the BEST way to ENSURE you get it with the least amount of hassle.

This isn't for score or time it's so you can obtain the kill easily. If you choose to ignore the defensive sigil at the start you make things a *** ton harder on yourself dealing with CG and healer while you're going HAM on boss which is wrong when you're learning but right when you're going for score. When in doubt watch my videos take notes, I explain absolutely everything I do step by step with the reasoning behind it. Non the less it's good with all the feedback going back and forth I'm sure many others are still asking the same questions we've been speaking about for months.

Luke

Just to throw my 2 cents in. This is how I do the final boss on my stam sorc (not aiming for score).

Phase 1: I don't bother with any sigils here. I dps boss until crem guard spawns, kill him and back on boss. I don't bother with healer.

Phase 2: I start with the left crystal and work clockwise. I destroy the first 2 and then drop down (I rebuff with crit surge, hurricane and cast vigor before drop). As soon as I land I go grab the healing sigil and kill crem guard. Then go back up to destroy the 3rd crystal. I save the crystal on right for last so when it explodes I fall down to the haste sigil. If dps is high enough can destroy all 3 and avoid dropping down intentionally.

Phase 3: Grab the haste sigil, run and grab the defense sigil and then grab the power sigil (defense will be the left one and power on right). Don't worry about anything other then burning boss and grabbing ghosts. I don't bother with the crem guard if he spawns or the summoners. If you get 3 ghosts then use it and enjoy your powered great maul.

If you are struggling up top with the crystal phase, make sure to grab the cup (healing) sigil just before you go up, helped a ton my cp200 NA char i just did it with

i think what i struggled with the most on this final stage was the fire breathing deadra,
when ever he spawn it was very difficult to stay alive.

so what i did to finally pass this stage was basically avoid him,
on his first visit before going up stair i would have defensive sigil up which second effect is you have more protection you take less damage so killing him was easy with defensive sigil up.

then once you drop down i made sure to grad all gold ghost and pop spectre bomb right as the deadra spawn which in most cases was right when the 3rd ghost came out.

and thats it bye this time you would have the boss killed before any other deadra spawns

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

j_s wrote: »

not only the soul gems, but also the bank account because of them repairs lol

When you are learning the arena never waste soul gems wayshrine you respawn at the way shrine just run back and you be on the same stage as before and same round.

No thanks. Takes too long! If you do dungeons you should probably have 200 gems anyway. I had countless so I am glad they finally had their use

Stages with timers (like stage 5 with the trolls and stage 7 with the venomcallers), the timer resets if you use wayshrine. So they always spawn at the same time. However if you use soul gem they may spawn earlier than you expect.

Buffler wrote: »

As a stam sorc when u drop back down just make sure your crit surge is up, grab def sigil and stand and burn him down in 10 secs. No need for ghosts etc

I have nowhere near the dps to pull that off. If I'm getting 25-28k single target I'm doing well.

Based on that video the boss has about 600k health when I dropped back down. I'd have to do 60k dps to kill him in 10 seconds.

You know why? Because you shouldn't be using vMA DW weapons in that arena. The fights are too short and you never have enough time to pull off the entire rotation. So you should be prioritizing applying all your DoTs ASAP and then just spamming Rapid Strikes for days. Not using vMA weapons will also allow you to use a monster set (Velidreth OP). The bow ultimate (Balista morph) is probably the most OP thing in that arena for burning bosses. Dawnbreaker of Smiting (does so much more damage than Flawless its not even funny) for burst damage on important adds (crew guards, etc.). All that should make it possible to burn the boss before the gold ghosts even start spawning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpEumFf9A00

5 Spriggan, 5 VO, 2 Velidreth. 1 Maelstrom Bow. I got about 28k dps on the boss before he ported up.

Boss had 550k health when he dropped down. The first ghost spawns when he drops down. The 2nd and 3rd are every 15 seconds. Would take me 25 seconds to nuke the boss if I ignore everything else.

I have never gotten better than 28k dps on a single target, even doing stuff like bloodspawn, etc where someone holds aggro, etc. Since I know my limitations, I do the mechanics to ensure I complete.

I also tried once to just burn the boss and ignore the summoner, then I ended up with a bone colossus that killed me when the boss had 1% health left. Just felt that spending an extra 10-15 seconds getting ghosts and killing the summoners was worth it to not have to run the first 2 parts again. I don't care about score or leaderboards.

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

400+?! Respec man!

Plz refer to Einstein's definition of insanity.

Einstein never actually made that quote

xblackroxe wrote: »

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

j_s wrote: »

not only the soul gems, but also the bank account because of them repairs lol

When you are learning the arena never waste soul gems wayshrine you respawn at the way shrine just run back and you be on the same stage as before and same round.

No thanks. Takes too long! If you do dungeons you should probably have 200 gems anyway. I had countless so I am glad they finally had their use

Stages with timers (like stage 5 with the trolls and stage 7 with the venomcallers), the timer resets if you use wayshrine. So they always spawn at the same time. However if you use soul gem they may spawn earlier than you expect.

Buffler wrote: »

As a stam sorc when u drop back down just make sure your crit surge is up, grab def sigil and stand and burn him down in 10 secs. No need for ghosts etc

I have nowhere near the dps to pull that off. If I'm getting 25-28k single target I'm doing well.

Based on that video the boss has about 600k health when I dropped back down. I'd have to do 60k dps to kill him in 10 seconds.

You know why? Because you shouldn't be using vMA DW weapons in that arena. The fights are too short and you never have enough time to pull off the entire rotation. So you should be prioritizing applying all your DoTs ASAP and then just spamming Rapid Strikes for days. Not using vMA weapons will also allow you to use a monster set (Velidreth OP). The bow ultimate (Balista morph) is probably the most OP thing in that arena for burning bosses. Dawnbreaker of Smiting (does so much more damage than Flawless its not even funny) for burst damage on important adds (crew guards, etc.). All that should make it possible to burn the boss before the gold ghosts even start spawning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpEumFf9A00

5 Spriggan, 5 VO, 2 Velidreth. 1 Maelstrom Bow. I got about 28k dps on the boss before he ported up.

Boss had 550k health when he dropped down. The first ghost spawns when he drops down. The 2nd and 3rd are every 15 seconds. Would take me 25 seconds to nuke the boss if I ignore everything else.

I have never gotten better than 28k dps on a single target, even doing stuff like bloodspawn, etc where someone holds aggro, etc. Since I know my limitations, I do the mechanics to ensure I complete.

I also tried once to just burn the boss and ignore the summoner, then I ended up with a bone colossus that killed me when the boss had 1% health left. Just felt that spending an extra 10-15 seconds getting ghosts and killing the summoners was worth it to not have to run the first 2 parts again. I don't care about score or leaderboards.

Well ofc you dont have the dps when you play that careful. Bow ult is soo much stronger than db on bosses. Use that at the start and get boss below 70% at the start.
Also how do you need Dark Deal to sustain when you already have 5 vicious? I guess you arent redguard and dont have max CP. Also Endless hail is the better morph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMiUrHyt4B8
Thats #1 EU score atm.

People really annoy me, when offering poor information. EDIT: Maybe not poor but perhaps misinformed.

If I can Thrive In Chaos, 5% buff to all damage output, endless, poison, blood craze, rapid strike 70% you can too.
And Yes, that test is with viper and NMG and veli.

You don't need cheesy bow ulti especially when you can slot DB in for a 5% increase to ATT when using your bow, if you keep your "BOW" ulti on that is purely all it's good for and in turn "not worth it".

Also linking 601k score doesn't show how a FRESH VMA player will get boss kills all it shows is proper rotation and positioning which is something a Freshie won't have or at the very least will struggle with.

People that ask for help and assistance need the NOOB way I say that but it's also the known as AKA the easier way.

There is no reason that you should be leaving the healer/mage up, if you get the defensive sigil after the boss telelports not only will he incur mass amount of damage on himself you have time to kill the mage/healer and prepare for CG buffs etc. This is worth NOT dieing from a stupid torrent or auto attacks especially when people are struggling with CG.

Top crystal phase is just a L2P kind of issue, roll dps, roll dps etc really not that tricky with some practise.

Upon coming down, haste if you're low on resources get the interrupt and DPS boss, again if you're low on DPS kill the 1st summoner only! grab the Power Sigil and burn boss, chances are doing this you'll get a CG which is fine block the skull and grab the healing sigil to ensure you don't die from flames.

Honestly doing this is you're best bet and I wouldn't consider it any harder than wave 3 of round 9 TBH!

Luke

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

Well vMA is definitely difficult but i'm approaching it like "If they can do it then I can do it." I just work on it one arena at a time and I might go days or weeks before working on the next one. Some of the mechanics are pretty ridiculous though, in my opinion. A lot of times it feels more like luck and less about skill but I keep working at it. I will work on a new set or get rid of skills that aren't useful then try again.

I'd say Luck certainly plays a part in certain stages.

I had a similar attitude to you, if its been completed by others then surely i can do this.

Keep at it buddy, you'll get there and the next clear will be simpler.

Soon you'll be swimming in Maelstrom 2h Powered weapons and Charged Ice Staffs

xblackroxe wrote: »

Lukums1 wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

j_s wrote: »

not only the soul gems, but also the bank account because of them repairs lol

When you are learning the arena never waste soul gems wayshrine you respawn at the way shrine just run back and you be on the same stage as before and same round.

No thanks. Takes too long! If you do dungeons you should probably have 200 gems anyway. I had countless so I am glad they finally had their use

Stages with timers (like stage 5 with the trolls and stage 7 with the venomcallers), the timer resets if you use wayshrine. So they always spawn at the same time. However if you use soul gem they may spawn earlier than you expect.

Buffler wrote: »

As a stam sorc when u drop back down just make sure your crit surge is up, grab def sigil and stand and burn him down in 10 secs. No need for ghosts etc

I have nowhere near the dps to pull that off. If I'm getting 25-28k single target I'm doing well.

Based on that video the boss has about 600k health when I dropped back down. I'd have to do 60k dps to kill him in 10 seconds.

You know why? Because you shouldn't be using vMA DW weapons in that arena. The fights are too short and you never have enough time to pull off the entire rotation. So you should be prioritizing applying all your DoTs ASAP and then just spamming Rapid Strikes for days. Not using vMA weapons will also allow you to use a monster set (Velidreth OP). The bow ultimate (Balista morph) is probably the most OP thing in that arena for burning bosses. Dawnbreaker of Smiting (does so much more damage than Flawless its not even funny) for burst damage on important adds (crew guards, etc.). All that should make it possible to burn the boss before the gold ghosts even start spawning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpEumFf9A00

5 Spriggan, 5 VO, 2 Velidreth. 1 Maelstrom Bow. I got about 28k dps on the boss before he ported up.

Boss had 550k health when he dropped down. The first ghost spawns when he drops down. The 2nd and 3rd are every 15 seconds. Would take me 25 seconds to nuke the boss if I ignore everything else.

I have never gotten better than 28k dps on a single target, even doing stuff like bloodspawn, etc where someone holds aggro, etc. Since I know my limitations, I do the mechanics to ensure I complete.

I also tried once to just burn the boss and ignore the summoner, then I ended up with a bone colossus that killed me when the boss had 1% health left. Just felt that spending an extra 10-15 seconds getting ghosts and killing the summoners was worth it to not have to run the first 2 parts again. I don't care about score or leaderboards.

Well ofc you dont have the dps when you play that careful. Bow ult is soo much stronger than db on bosses. Use that at the start and get boss below 70% at the start.
Also how do you need Dark Deal to sustain when you already have 5 vicious? I guess you arent redguard and dont have max CP. Also Endless hail is the better morph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMiUrHyt4B8
Thats #1 EU score atm.

People really annoy me, when offering poor information. EDIT: Maybe not poor but perhaps misinformed.

If I can Thrive In Chaos, 5% buff to all damage output, endless, poison, blood craze, rapid strike 70% you can too.
And Yes, that test is with viper and NMG and veli.

You don't need cheesy bow ulti especially when you can slot DB in for a 5% increase to ATT when using your bow, if you keep your "BOW" ulti on that is purely all it's good for and in turn "not worth it".

Also linking 601k score doesn't show how a FRESH VMA player will get boss kills all it shows is proper rotation and positioning which is something a Freshie won't have or at the very least will struggle with.

People that ask for help and assistance need the NOOB way I say that but it's also the known as AKA the easier way.

There is no reason that you should be leaving the healer/mage up, if you get the defensive sigil after the boss telelports not only will he incur mass amount of damage on himself you have time to kill the mage/healer and prepare for CG buffs etc. This is worth NOT dieing from a stupid torrent or auto attacks especially when people are struggling with CG.

Top crystal phase is just a L2P kind of issue, roll dps, roll dps etc really not that tricky with some practise.

Upon coming down, haste if you're low on resources get the interrupt and DPS boss, again if you're low on DPS kill the 1st summoner only! grab the Power Sigil and burn boss, chances are doing this you'll get a CG which is fine block the skull and grab the healing sigil to ensure you don't die from flames.

Honestly doing this is you're best bet and I wouldn't consider it any harder than wave 3 of round 9 TBH!

Luke

What exactly do you wanna tell me with this post?
I was responding to a guy who said he doesn´t know how it can be possible to kill the last boss with ignoring everything. And thats what I gave him.

Also I´m neither giving bad nor uninformed advice.

Not running Vicious Ophidian set if you have it is just dumb. There is nothing else in vma thats as important as that set.

How exactly is the bow ult cheesy? Its just the best to use on bosses to quickly burst them down. Rend is bad bc you loose DB buff on front bar and its not that bursty as the bow one.

AGAIN. I wasn´t talking to a noob/fresh guy. I was talking to somebody who gets 500k+ scores and wanted to know how he can improve on the last boss to burst him down quicker.

Thx for giving a perfect example of what you hate to see other people do. Giving a totally misinformed statement.

You were responding to me. I have 15 clears on VMA, my highest score 300k, it takes me about 2 hours.

I didn't say it wasn't possible, i said it wasn't possible for ME. I've never gotten 60k dps or 100k+ dps (single target) like Andy S pulls on his runs. He's also run VMA probably 1000 times or more. Also he does grab the ghosts and use the explosion.

Also I run VO gear and have 662 CP.

My responses here were to help new players because I still struggle on the final boss so it's still fresh in my mind what worked and didn't work.