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Is it just me- or are daily writs a waste of resources?

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All of my characters are max CP. So, every time I do a writ- I'm rewarded with a box full of cotton or yew or steel ingots. They're not even in the raw form- so there's NO CHANCE to get legendary items from refining them, either! :s I understand the idea behind rewarding lower level mats (since you can no longer farm them once you surpass the lower levels)... but let's face it: You reach the CP ranks within a week or so these days. So, effectively... you're getting useless material.

If I recall correctly- the rewards from writs were better as well. If I did all six writs, I usually would get at least ONE legendary material and ONE survey. Now they're few and far between. Do I have really bad RNG- or are writs pretty frackin' useless these days?
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  • Wollust
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    I do the writs on 6 characters more or less daily. Totally worth it for me so far. Though it's not the same as in previous patches.
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  • Savos_Saren
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    @Wollust

    Are you getting enough surveys to replace the materials you spend? Maybe it's my bad RNG, then. :/
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  • alexkdd99
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    I have noticed a fairly large decrease in number of surveys I am getting. Maybe my luck just changed, that's the thing about rng it is hard to tell whether they lowered drop chance or you are just having bad luck.
  • Baconfat79
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    It's worth it just for the gold tempers. In my experience, there is about a 30% chance to get a gold temper from a max level writ.
  • Wollust
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    jaburns wrote: »
    @Wollust

    Are you getting enough surveys to replace the materials you spend? Maybe it's my bad RNG, then. :/

    From my feeling I'd say it's pretty close, though I think I will need to buy mats at some point. But the gold mats I get make the whole thing definitely profitable.
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  • MarrazzMist
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    Baconfat79 wrote: »
    It's worth it just for the gold tempers. In my experience, there is about a 30% chance to get a gold temper from a max level writ.

    Really? I don't even remember when is the last time I've got a gold temper from a writ. I don't do them every day, but still... I'm more lucky with refining.
  • LMar
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    The patch notes say that they reduced the incidence of surveys but each survey now gives more raw mats to make up for it.
    I still get legendary mats from my writs in a fairly ok rate
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  • akl77
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    I do all 6 max level writs daily, I get 1-3 legendary item daily, hardly ever 0.
    Survey has been reduced which I'm happy with, cos I hate it, annoying to have to go somewhere else and search.
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  • danno8
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    Because of the way they worked it you are now far more likely to get long strings of no surveys. And it sucks if you don't have a huge amount of materials since you can actually run out of materials if you get a spike in bad luck.

    Before the surveys were more evened out, even though you received half the amount of materials from the nodes.
  • Elephant42
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    alexkdd99 wrote: »
    I have noticed a fairly large decrease in number of surveys I am getting. Maybe my luck just changed, that's the thing about rng it is hard to tell whether they lowered drop chance or you are just having bad luck.

    It's not just your luck. I do mutiple writs on multiple characters daily and I've received 2(two) surveys in the last two weeks.
  • sickboy2808
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    I been getting alot of Gold upgrades and a good few surveys but i did just start doing Writs again recently. Maybe take a break from them like i did??
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  • STEVIL
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    i run 45 writs a day.
    surveys are abt 1 in 10 but now have twice what they used to.
    golds are like 1 in 10 too maybe more, hard to say, cuz i dont watch that often so it may be more but not less.

    No question about consumable writs, they are solid worthwhile and profitable.

    low level equip writs, tier-1, again no question worthwhile since on EVERY writ you get either a survey (loads of tier-10) or a box (25 tier-1 mats almost completely replacing your used mats) and on top of that an item (ornate to seel or intricate to decon 50-50 chance of your tier-1 or your char level), a style token and then gold and xp and insp (keyed to char level not writ level iirc) You are effectively burning style tokens and 2-6 tier-1 mats at most for all the goodies.

    The tier-2 thru tier-9 dont have as much experience with in the new paradigm so cannot say.

    But in my experience with a lot of writs done by chars since 1T changes, all consumable writs, tier-1 erquip writs and tier-10 equip writs are absolutely profitable and worth it unless you consider mats and gold and gold quality tokens to be of no value.

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  • Lord_Eomer
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    I stop doing writs after One Tamriel changes, hardly getting gold tempers and survey (Why random location?)

    And low level junk is a stupid idea!

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    Edited by Lord_Eomer on December 17, 2016 10:25PM
  • starkerealm
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    Wollust wrote: »
    jaburns wrote: »
    @Wollust

    Are you getting enough surveys to replace the materials you spend? Maybe it's my bad RNG, then. :/

    From my feeling I'd say it's pretty close, though I think I will need to buy mats at some point. But the gold mats I get make the whole thing definitely profitable.

    That's where I'm at.
  • MasterSpatula
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    They're still the most reliable way to get Gold Tempers, but my god, the cost to reward ratio is terrible.

    At One Tamriel, they halved the drop rates of Surveys, doubled the yield of Surveys, and spread them all throughout the game. I think this is pretty solid evidence that whoever was in charge of updating writs was on PCP at the time.
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  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    It's worth it if you sell crafted Armor to low level players as you can make some type of profit from it.
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  • starkerealm
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    They're still the most reliable way to get Gold Tempers, but my god, the cost to reward ratio is terrible.

    At One Tamriel, they halved the drop rates of Surveys, doubled the yield of Surveys, and spread them all throughout the game. I think this is pretty solid evidence that whoever was in charge of updating writs was on PCP at the time.

    Surveys got increased by ~ *2.5. So, it's actually slightly better than it was before. Your average node before would drop 7 to 8, now it's 20, and can double to 40 with one of the Champion passives.

    Clothing is a little harder to explain now. It used to be 6 cloth nodes, now it's 4 cloth nodes (so 80 cloth) and 2 leather nodes (which seem to drop 20-28 pieces each, and again can double).

    But... for raw mats... it really doesn't matter anymore. Before 1T, there were only a few places you could actually get tier 10 mats. But, now, any 160 or higher can get tier 10 mats ANYWHERE. So, this means it's actually easier to get those materials than before, and it actually undermines what made the tier 10 equipment writs so appealing in the first place.
  • lagrue
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    Totally worth it. Playing the game normal I have 100s of 160cp mats on hand always. The writs allow me to use resources I otherwise likely never will and although I get garbage 90% of the time - getting the yellow mats is easier for me to sell than stacks of refined. To me the ability to sell the final result quicker I'd what makes it worth it. As I continue playing I still always get more mats. 1 hour in game session of just playing and on the side doing some collecting should cover your writ expenses easily.
    Edited by lagrue on December 17, 2016 11:21PM
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  • Sigtric
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    I've never gotten a gold temper and I have not seen a survey since before One Tamriel. I'm not sure why I bother.

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  • Metal10957
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    I never do writs so I cannot comment on that, I have 3 hirelings on everything and It is not worth the skill points IMO.

    I can say we should have an easier way to get lower level mats. Getting iron ore and Rubedite (sp) only makes no sense. I wish the iron, jute, maple whatever were random from level 1 to 150. Leave the 160 mats alone. I do on occasion get high iron ore, but rarely.
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  • Prof_Bawbag
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    They're still the most reliable way to get Gold Tempers, but my god, the cost to reward ratio is terrible.

    At One Tamriel, they halved the drop rates of Surveys, doubled the yield of Surveys, and spread them all throughout the game. I think this is pretty solid evidence that whoever was in charge of updating writs was on PCP at the time.

    I think it's because the devs want most of us to use more of the zones. I mean, did anyone ever have any need or desire to return to most of the low level zones? They obviously began that process with the new sets that drop within specific zones. It's why they introduced more set drops, give us random surveys, did what they did with the current festival, the new dailies and so on. They want more players out of Mournhold, Grahtwood etc and more people using the actual zones, especially zones that are considered meh.

    I can only speak for myself, but I can't remember the last time I even visited the likes of Eastmarch before this festival began or 1T.
    Edited by Prof_Bawbag on December 17, 2016 11:34PM
  • Savos_Saren
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    Hmmm... well, at least you'd hope that the Devs would start giving us crates of UNREFINED ore, cloth, and wood. That way, at least we can make something useful out of those low level mats... it'll give us a chance to get legendary tempers and wax!
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  • AntMan100673
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    If you think they're a waste of resources for you then just don't do the writs and you can spend your time doing something else instead. That's a win for you.

    Less people doing writs means a lower supply of gold mats as less people have extra to sell. It also means higher demand as less people are able to cover their own requirements. That means my extra gold mats will sell for more. That's a win for me.

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  • STEVIL
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    They're still the most reliable way to get Gold Tempers, but my god, the cost to reward ratio is terrible.

    At One Tamriel, they halved the drop rates of Surveys, doubled the yield of Surveys, and spread them all throughout the game. I think this is pretty solid evidence that whoever was in charge of updating writs was on PCP at the time.

    just went to wrothgar today on survey runs all post-1t.

    got to refine 1.3k anc silk, 880 ruby hide, 400+ ruby ash, 800 rubedite getting something like 18 gold temper/wax etc. in addition to the mats, other blue-purple i didn't count etc.

    that was just from doing 2 of the locations for each type cuz the other one of each had 4 or less surveys in stock.

    have also turned in something like 60 alchemy surveys in the last two weeks in two locations (38 in auridon, 26 in glenumbra)

    sure, they stack up in the inventory but thats just it, they stack so bank them to the right chars to accumulate, wait until they accumulate enough or you are in the area and bam...

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  • starkerealm
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    They're still the most reliable way to get Gold Tempers, but my god, the cost to reward ratio is terrible.

    At One Tamriel, they halved the drop rates of Surveys, doubled the yield of Surveys, and spread them all throughout the game. I think this is pretty solid evidence that whoever was in charge of updating writs was on PCP at the time.

    I think it's because the devs want most of us to use more of the zones. I mean, did anyone ever have any need or desire to return to most of the low level zones? They obviously began that process with the new sets that drop within specific zones. It's why they introduced more set drops, give us random surveys, did what they did with the current festival, the new dailies and so on. They want more players out of Mournhold, Grahtwood etc and more people using the actual zones, especially zones that are considered meh.

    I can only speak for myself, but I can't remember the last time I even visited the likes of Eastmarch before this festival began or 1T.

    The only reason I returned to low level zones before was for flash leveling Werewolves or for Dark Brotherhood assassinations.
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    Deleted. Repost.
    Edited by Savos_Saren on December 18, 2016 12:29AM
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  • bottleofsyrup
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    They're just barely worth it for me. I do all six on 3 characters and have hirelings on a total of 6, so that combined with picking up every node I come across on my way to and from places is the main reason I gain more than I lose.
  • Silver_Strider
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    Is it really wasteful when even the max level mats are all fairly worthless?

    Crafted sets are, atm, highly lackluster in comparison to Dropped Sets. Alchemy ingredients have become easier to come by thanks to the IC Satchels, Provisioning ingredients are common as dirty and Enchanting Runes are almost all useless, especially when you consider that upgrading a dropped set to Legendary bumps the enchantment on dropped sets to Legendary as well.
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  • Mojmir
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    Haven't done writs since the wrothgar debacle,easier just wait for mails and refine.I'm in no hurry to make gold armor or sell tempers.
    Edited by Mojmir on December 18, 2016 1:23PM
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