Solo play really dead?

LjAnimalchin · December 2016

As a stamina nb desperately trying to avoid the meta, yeah, it feels that way. Cloak barely works anymore. It only works when people already are LOSed and what is point in that? I honestly dont even run it anymore. Its kinda like snipe or some *** now. If ur able to actually use it in a fight those peeps are bad and u probably dont need it anyway. I have more success with shade lately. It feels like every engagement you have, every chance at a decent 1vx, someone rolls up with a cheesy build and *** it all up (heavy temolars im looking at you). Another thing is proc meta has "empowered" players who previously struggled to get a kill and these players are no longer afraid to xv1 you relentlessly as they know even 1v1 they have like a 50 chance to randomly win anyway with proc meta.

Tldr yeah u can still solo its pretty painful though for most classes.

Joy_Division · December 2016

AlphaNicole wrote: »

I know I'm probably beating a dead horse by starting this thread. But lately when I step into pvp, I get zerged on, all the time, ALL THE TIME.

One time I find a person by himself riding on his horse. He turns the other way when he sees me and I knock him off his horse. It's a heavy armor Magic cancerplar with sword and shield. W/e I pack him up while he frantically heals and purifies. Outta nowhere, I start getting snipe glitches and boom, his Calvary of about 7+ Comes up from over the hill.

Second scenario, I'm riding between chalkman and arrius, find a blue Zerg, no surprise there. I pull a zergling away from the group, it's a magic cancerplar (***) w/e pack up pack up, they frantically do the cancerplar thing, them boom, 3 NBs and by recap says 3 in caps and a few surprise attacks.

Imperial city... I pack up a blue stameta scrub over and over while he's taking a district. Soon, 8 blues jump on me. They struggle to kill me, then he tbags. Nice....

And they complain only EP zergs...

It sounds like to me you deserve to get zerged down.

calling your opponents cancerplars (I suppose you run an officially approved "non cheese" gear/build, right?)
calling your opponents zerglings.
expecting to pull said "zergling" away from his group without any reaction (I don't suppose situational awareness and selective targeting are concepts solo players should learn)
calling your opponents a stameta scrub (because, again, you run an officially approved "non cheese" gear/build).

Metemsycosis · December 2016

No. Not dead,but running around alone isn't always the wisest decision. 1vx was never really a thing (OK, it was a low percentage thing) and solo play doesn't mean you'll never run with a large group by coincidence or choice. I'd add sometimes people will break off from their group to play with/against you. It's a game and besides times we get angry we play it for fun/entertainment. Give them a fight. I also found that if I 1v1 someone successfully there's a good chance they'll be back for a rematch or they'll have a friend with. Solo play on stamina characters means taking resources quickly by yourself which opens the door for lots of encounters. If you're a ganker why not use detect pots to see if the Templar is riding solo or with several night blades at his/her wings?

LuminaLilly · December 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

AlphaNicole wrote: »

I know I'm probably beating a dead horse by starting this thread. But lately when I step into pvp, I get zerged on, all the time, ALL THE TIME.

One time I find a person by himself riding on his horse. He turns the other way when he sees me and I knock him off his horse. It's a heavy armor Magic cancerplar with sword and shield. W/e I pack him up while he frantically heals and purifies. Outta nowhere, I start getting snipe glitches and boom, his Calvary of about 7+ Comes up from over the hill.

Second scenario, I'm riding between chalkman and arrius, find a blue Zerg, no surprise there. I pull a zergling away from the group, it's a magic cancerplar (***) w/e pack up pack up, they frantically do the cancerplar thing, them boom, 3 NBs and by recap says 3 in caps and a few surprise attacks.

Imperial city... I pack up a blue stameta scrub over and over while he's taking a district. Soon, 8 blues jump on me. They struggle to kill me, then he tbags. Nice....

And they complain only EP zergs...

It sounds like to me you deserve to get zerged down.
calling your opponents cancerplars (I suppose you run an officially approved "non cheese" gear/build, right?)

calling your opponents zerglings.

expecting to pull said "zergling" away from his group without any reaction (I don't suppose situational awareness and selective targeting are concepts solo players should learn)

calling your opponents a stameta scrub (because, again, you run an officially approved "non cheese" gear/build).

Im a magicka sorc destro restro who uses light armor xD

Ankael07 · December 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Solo-play officially died with 1T, especially when Streamers/Poster-boys making proc/snipe-builds become a thing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the Streamer's or the Poster-boy's fault that game is like it is, but since people generally follow their builds - it's contributed into the cancerous sniper-proctato-setup. But it's not their fault, it's the players.

Unfortunately, the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP seems to have reached 0 with 1T. "Hi, I run viper, selene and alchemist, it would be a shame if I ruined your 1v3...."

Stop excusing after each sentence. They are part of problem. Those so-called "famous streamers" knows that they have army of fan-boys that will brainlessly copy every single thing they do no matter how *** it will be and yet they promote broken setups like full-proc-sets you mentioned, or claiming that abuse such bugged sets as malubeth or selene is not bad thing. "the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP", well, those "elites" lost it first and with them their army of followers.
Reminds me old bug when people were wearing double/triple/quadruple number on mundus stones without shame and claimed that "it grant small advantage anyway coz I am too good even without it, so why not abuse it and be even stronger".

lol

Laughed the guy with videos promoting macroslice.

Derra · December 2016

Ganj wrote: »

It never been like this before, zergs are heavly buffed because of so many reasons and playing solo or duo its almost impossible.

This guy explained everything well, no need to say more i guess;

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NEkbnOSEwrI

I rather think solo play destroyed itself.

Everyone who still dares to run around solo is either and invisible gankbuild or an almost unkillable healtank to combat the beforementioned (ofc the invisible ganker won´t attack the healtanks and two tanks can´t kill each other).

Effectively with ganking and tanking being as effective as they are there is no reason to run around solo with a "normal" build. You run the risk of getting shredded instantly or meeting enemies that you can´t kill before help arrives.

So you bring a friend - and your enemies do aswell.

SneaK · December 2016

Some reasons...

Game trails, same as in real life, everyone just runs the same paths from keep to keep. Very few encounters out in the "wild" cause there's not much reason to spread out.

Proc sets, these have made it more than possible to solo, but in turn have made others build for survival which hurts solo players. Leading to -

Tanks, a lot of people are running builds focused on surviving which leads to long drawn out fights, which are ended by many other players showing up.

EDIT: Pretty much what Derra said above..

Kutsuu · December 2016

AlphaNicole wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

AlphaNicole wrote: »

I know I'm probably beating a dead horse by starting this thread. But lately when I step into pvp, I get zerged on, all the time, ALL THE TIME.

One time I find a person by himself riding on his horse. He turns the other way when he sees me and I knock him off his horse. It's a heavy armor Magic cancerplar with sword and shield. W/e I pack him up while he frantically heals and purifies. Outta nowhere, I start getting snipe glitches and boom, his Calvary of about 7+ Comes up from over the hill.

Second scenario, I'm riding between chalkman and arrius, find a blue Zerg, no surprise there. I pull a zergling away from the group, it's a magic cancerplar (***) w/e pack up pack up, they frantically do the cancerplar thing, them boom, 3 NBs and by recap says 3 in caps and a few surprise attacks.

Imperial city... I pack up a blue stameta scrub over and over while he's taking a district. Soon, 8 blues jump on me. They struggle to kill me, then he tbags. Nice....

And they complain only EP zergs...

It sounds like to me you deserve to get zerged down.
calling your opponents cancerplars (I suppose you run an officially approved "non cheese" gear/build, right?)

calling your opponents zerglings.

expecting to pull said "zergling" away from his group without any reaction (I don't suppose situational awareness and selective targeting are concepts solo players should learn)

calling your opponents a stameta scrub (because, again, you run an officially approved "non cheese" gear/build).

Im a magicka sorc destro restro who uses light armor xD

Uhh... yeah there are none of those out there... That's not the meta sorc setup or anything.

FENGRUSH · December 2016

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Solo-play officially died with 1T, especially when Streamers/Poster-boys making proc/snipe-builds become a thing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the Streamer's or the Poster-boy's fault that game is like it is, but since people generally follow their builds - it's contributed into the cancerous sniper-proctato-setup. But it's not their fault, it's the players.

Unfortunately, the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP seems to have reached 0 with 1T. "Hi, I run viper, selene and alchemist, it would be a shame if I ruined your 1v3...."

Stop excusing after each sentence. They are part of problem. Those so-called "famous streamers" knows that they have army of fan-boys that will brainlessly copy every single thing they do no matter how *** it will be and yet they promote broken setups like full-proc-sets you mentioned, or claiming that abuse such bugged sets as malubeth or selene is not bad thing. "the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP", well, those "elites" lost it first and with them their army of followers.
Reminds me old bug when people were wearing double/triple/quadruple number on mundus stones without shame and claimed that "it grant small advantage anyway coz I am too good even without it, so why not abuse it and be even stronger".

lol

Laughed the guy with videos promoting macroslice.

Promoting macroslice??

Ganj · December 2016

Derra wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

It never been like this before, zergs are heavly buffed because of so many reasons and playing solo or duo its almost impossible.

This guy explained everything well, no need to say more i guess;

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NEkbnOSEwrI

I rather think solo play destroyed itself.

Everyone who still dares to run around solo is either and invisible gankbuild or an almost unkillable healtank to combat the beforementioned (ofc the invisible ganker won´t attack the healtanks and two tanks can´t kill each other).

Effectively with ganking and tanking being as effective as they are there is no reason to run around solo with a "normal" build. You run the risk of getting shredded instantly or meeting enemies that you can´t kill before help arrives.

So you bring a friend - and your enemies do aswell.

No, Zenimax killed the solo play. Well its not dead in my opinion but it hasnt been this hard before. Zergs are significantly buffed because of heavy armor, proc sets etc. People doesnt even want to fight now actually, they just run from castle to other castle like sheeps literally. And as a player whos been playing since the first day of beta, i have never seen players this much toxic, ever. People are literally so mad, so toxic because of these kind of reasons and also many other reasons.

Well ganking is still avaliable option but its boring after few times, at least for me. I always prefer to play magicka sorcerer but yea its not easy under some conditions; heal spamming templars, heavy dk with lingering, poisons, tremor, ambushspam "small scalers"... Well list could be really long as we all know

Zenimax love them obviously, they embrace zerg mentality so they developed it with One Tamriel and killed the real joy for some of us.

Ankael07 · December 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Solo-play officially died with 1T, especially when Streamers/Poster-boys making proc/snipe-builds become a thing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the Streamer's or the Poster-boy's fault that game is like it is, but since people generally follow their builds - it's contributed into the cancerous sniper-proctato-setup. But it's not their fault, it's the players.

Unfortunately, the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP seems to have reached 0 with 1T. "Hi, I run viper, selene and alchemist, it would be a shame if I ruined your 1v3...."

Stop excusing after each sentence. They are part of problem. Those so-called "famous streamers" knows that they have army of fan-boys that will brainlessly copy every single thing they do no matter how *** it will be and yet they promote broken setups like full-proc-sets you mentioned, or claiming that abuse such bugged sets as malubeth or selene is not bad thing. "the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP", well, those "elites" lost it first and with them their army of followers.
Reminds me old bug when people were wearing double/triple/quadruple number on mundus stones without shame and claimed that "it grant small advantage anyway coz I am too good even without it, so why not abuse it and be even stronger".

lol

Laughed the guy with videos promoting macroslice.

Promoting macroslice??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSRbGTQY-c

and 2 more videos following up.

thankyourat · December 2016

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Solo-play officially died with 1T, especially when Streamers/Poster-boys making proc/snipe-builds become a thing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the Streamer's or the Poster-boy's fault that game is like it is, but since people generally follow their builds - it's contributed into the cancerous sniper-proctato-setup. But it's not their fault, it's the players.

Unfortunately, the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP seems to have reached 0 with 1T. "Hi, I run viper, selene and alchemist, it would be a shame if I ruined your 1v3...."

Stop excusing after each sentence. They are part of problem. Those so-called "famous streamers" knows that they have army of fan-boys that will brainlessly copy every single thing they do no matter how *** it will be and yet they promote broken setups like full-proc-sets you mentioned, or claiming that abuse such bugged sets as malubeth or selene is not bad thing. "the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP", well, those "elites" lost it first and with them their army of followers.
Reminds me old bug when people were wearing double/triple/quadruple number on mundus stones without shame and claimed that "it grant small advantage anyway coz I am too good even without it, so why not abuse it and be even stronger".

lol

Laughed the guy with videos promoting macroslice.

Promoting macroslice??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSRbGTQY-c

and 2 more videos following up.

Lol that looks like it's just lag. It happened to me the other day I was pressing buttons none of my animations went off then they all went off at the same time

Akinos · December 2016

Solo play is not dead...it's just on life support and much harder to actually get anything done by yourself.

Kutsuu · December 2016

thankyourat wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Solo-play officially died with 1T, especially when Streamers/Poster-boys making proc/snipe-builds become a thing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the Streamer's or the Poster-boy's fault that game is like it is, but since people generally follow their builds - it's contributed into the cancerous sniper-proctato-setup. But it's not their fault, it's the players.

Unfortunately, the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP seems to have reached 0 with 1T. "Hi, I run viper, selene and alchemist, it would be a shame if I ruined your 1v3...."

Stop excusing after each sentence. They are part of problem. Those so-called "famous streamers" knows that they have army of fan-boys that will brainlessly copy every single thing they do no matter how *** it will be and yet they promote broken setups like full-proc-sets you mentioned, or claiming that abuse such bugged sets as malubeth or selene is not bad thing. "the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP", well, those "elites" lost it first and with them their army of followers.
Reminds me old bug when people were wearing double/triple/quadruple number on mundus stones without shame and claimed that "it grant small advantage anyway coz I am too good even without it, so why not abuse it and be even stronger".

lol

Laughed the guy with videos promoting macroslice.

Promoting macroslice??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSRbGTQY-c

and 2 more videos following up.

Lol that looks like it's just lag. It happened to me the other day I was pressing buttons nine of my animations went off then they all went off at the same time

Yes, that was just lag. Hilarious that dude thought it was some kind of macro doing that. Macros cannot possibly do that.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · December 2016

Soloing to me in Cyrodiil involves taking resources. It's about the only thing you can do by yourself that will actually help your faction. Some nights I'll just type in zone chat "X farm good" or "Y Lumbermill good". I find that volunteering for resource sweeping alone can focus the whole army into actually taking a keep instead of following squirrels.

If I come across another player and lose, I res and ride to another resource. If I find a Zerg I'll either pop an invis potion or attack. Sometimes fighting 10 people is easier than 1 or 2. You never know what will happen when you Soul Shatter and Vicious Death a group. If I die, I res and go somewhere else.

The only problem I have with Zergs is the stress it puts on the server, but we all do it. Every faction. It's large scale group warfare.

What I don't do when soloing is just hang out somewhere actively avoiding large fights. 100 person battles, even when greatly outnumbered are what I'm best at. Mist Form allows me to pull off some nonsense that just won't work in a 1 on 1. The bigger the battle the better I am.

But when it comes to soloing, try to contribute. Grab those resources people!

NBrookus · December 2016

Derra wrote: »

Everyone who still dares to run around solo is either and invisible gankbuild or an almost unkillable healtank to combat the beforementioned (ofc the invisible ganker won´t attack the healtanks and two tanks can´t kill each other).

I can count on the fingers of one finger the times a truly solo ganker has tried to get me. (For some reason, I expected the "Slaughtered" achievement to pop up when @SRIBES got a new toon the other day.) The rest are running in packs bailing each other out if their proc-enabled gank fails.

KingKalbo · December 2016

Just the title made me think of this

https://youtu.be/6cMsXBJ0Y98

UppGRAYxDD · December 2016

New meta is Xv1......not 1vX

FENGRUSH · December 2016

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Solo-play officially died with 1T, especially when Streamers/Poster-boys making proc/snipe-builds become a thing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the Streamer's or the Poster-boy's fault that game is like it is, but since people generally follow their builds - it's contributed into the cancerous sniper-proctato-setup. But it's not their fault, it's the players.

Unfortunately, the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP seems to have reached 0 with 1T. "Hi, I run viper, selene and alchemist, it would be a shame if I ruined your 1v3...."

Stop excusing after each sentence. They are part of problem. Those so-called "famous streamers" knows that they have army of fan-boys that will brainlessly copy every single thing they do no matter how *** it will be and yet they promote broken setups like full-proc-sets you mentioned, or claiming that abuse such bugged sets as malubeth or selene is not bad thing. "the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP", well, those "elites" lost it first and with them their army of followers.
Reminds me old bug when people were wearing double/triple/quadruple number on mundus stones without shame and claimed that "it grant small advantage anyway coz I am too good even without it, so why not abuse it and be even stronger".

lol

Laughed the guy with videos promoting macroslice.

Promoting macroslice??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSRbGTQY-c

and 2 more videos following up.

You poor thing

Kutsuu · December 2016

thankyourat wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Solo-play officially died with 1T, especially when Streamers/Poster-boys making proc/snipe-builds become a thing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the Streamer's or the Poster-boy's fault that game is like it is, but since people generally follow their builds - it's contributed into the cancerous sniper-proctato-setup. But it's not their fault, it's the players.

Unfortunately, the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP seems to have reached 0 with 1T. "Hi, I run viper, selene and alchemist, it would be a shame if I ruined your 1v3...."

Stop excusing after each sentence. They are part of problem. Those so-called "famous streamers" knows that they have army of fan-boys that will brainlessly copy every single thing they do no matter how *** it will be and yet they promote broken setups like full-proc-sets you mentioned, or claiming that abuse such bugged sets as malubeth or selene is not bad thing. "the lack of player respect & dignity in PvP", well, those "elites" lost it first and with them their army of followers.
Reminds me old bug when people were wearing double/triple/quadruple number on mundus stones without shame and claimed that "it grant small advantage anyway coz I am too good even without it, so why not abuse it and be even stronger".

lol

Laughed the guy with videos promoting macroslice.

Promoting macroslice??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSRbGTQY-c

and 2 more videos following up.

Lol that looks like it's just lag. It happened to me the other day I was pressing buttons nine of my animations went off then they all went off at the same time

Yes, that was just lag. Hilarious that dude thought it was some kind of macro doing that. Macros cannot possibly do that. I can't believe we're 2 years into this game and people are still acting like macros can magically bypass the hidden ~1s GCD.

Although part of that problem is the pathetic death recap. No timestamps, combines dots, causes so many people to whine because it's hard to clearly understand what you're looking at.

JohunBleek · December 2016

Solo is dead, has been dead, and always will be dead, from now on and forever. Accept it, this is PVP now, the age of XV1.

Paha_Vaatturi · December 2016

I just find it funny, when people keep on blaming everyone being 'zerg', when they are taking part in the war, playing as a group.... In a war. As a group. Capturing scrolls. As one should.

runningtings · December 2016

You obviously haven't seen the current storm cloud zerging in action...

kuro-dono · December 2016

ppl mistake little bit about ball grouping vs zergs. Casuals, "the trash ppl" get tons of blame and heat here for any eso pvp
problems that we got around when real source of problems comes from aoe choo choo:ing map and no unorganized group can touch them and ofc time to kill period is quite sad. No new player wanna join in and get better when they experience nightblade 0.465 sec death or sorc who trolls them to chase them across map.

Getting farmed left and right when the zerglins just wanna experience pvp, not player vs choo choo or insta deaths by these 2-3 skill buffers and then boom and dead.

but answer to topic question, yes players are killing pvp, it just happens that different sort of things should be taking the blame.

Biro123 · December 2016

The only problem I really have with the choo-choo trains is that they are mainly there just to farm AP. They aren't playing the campaign. When they do, they can have a massive impact, but mostly you see a yellow ball in the middle of the red and blue zergs between Ales and Chal - or a red ball between the blue and yellow zergs somewhere between Ash/Roe.. Often in a tower at a farm - or running back and forth inside a milegate...

And presumably theres a blue version somewhere between Alessia and BRK too..

They really do spoil any decent large-scale fight.

kuro-dono · December 2016

those kind of ppl just should stick with themself, same for soloers, leave the fun loving ppl to play with themself

ps> when using word soloers, i mean the sneaky hidy insta gib type soloers or, the ones who love being attension *** and do 1 vs X

Biro123 · December 2016

For me it just means anyone not in a group.. It gives me the flexibility to do small-scale stuff around resources, offensively or defensively, or to join with the zerg for large-scale stuff. I don't really gank and I don't 1vx either (I'm only average afterall

).

It also means that when real-life intrudes (which it does a lot) - then I'm not letting anyone down.

The downside is an inability to change the direction of the zerg or to open new fronts.. steering DC away from Chal is almost impossible!

altemriel · December 2016

nope

LuminaLilly · December 2016

@FENGRUSH is commenting on my thread *_*

thedude33 · December 2016

lol it's like groundhog day over and over. These posts are the same for every style of PvP game.

A solo player complains about getting 'zerged' by a duo
The duo complains about getting zerged by a 4 man group.
4 man group complains about getting zerged by 8
8 man group complains about getting zerged by 16+

Then make a post about zerging and how it's the developers fault