All this is getting crazy. What he means is basically if you wanted to change your basic appearance to something else that is not in the crown store it should be possible with in game currency than crowns paid with real money.

If you wanted a cool hairstyle on the crown store you would pay money for it and be able to use it at any time but if you wanted to go from long hair to a pony tail that's in the basic character creator it should not cost crowns but gold.

Probably a better example is like in Eve online where you make your character but after your done you can only change the tattoos, hairstyle, make-up, clothes, and any earrings or piercings for free. You cannot change your characters physical appearance like their nose and body type without paying real money to get a re-sculpt option. Or Skyrim where if you went to Riften and talked to the face lady down there you could pay her gold and you got to change how your character looked. The race and gender although could not be changed.

What the real topic of this discussion is do you rather want to pay real money for the smallest change to your characters hairstyle or pay money for the premium stuff and only spend in-game currency to change the minor things that come free in the creator?

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

I used to play an MMO that had a barbershop (WoW) and I honestly prefer ZOS' system.
Like @Aeula said, it saves having to drop whatever you are doing at the moment and going to a fixed location to just swap out a hairstyle. And sometimes I do this when a person goes afk during a pledge - I get bored waiting and do a complete makeover while waiting for "Bob" to come back from the restroom or whatnot.
Another great thing is that you pay one time to access all the base hairstyles.
In WoW, I remember you had to pay every time you changed even just one crummy thing about your character's look.
And as @Ravena stated: It's not even expensive.
People will pay more for things you can get in-game with gold instead (experience scrolls, riding training books, bag space, etc.)

So you rather pay 14.99 dollars to change your character hair instead in game gold becase? reasons?

I believe he stated them if you had read the entire comment. Saves time, has all the styles in place no need to travel every 10 minutes, saves gold in the long run. Especially if you're a plus subscriber.

On another note a barber shop isn't an appearance change system, it's a style change , your face is still your face. Maybe makeup.

When you change your style, you also change your aesthetic appearance.

I agree with OP. I've always been against the appearance-change tokens, especially when a player simply wants to drag one or two body sliders a bit and make their character look a bit more buff or lean. I see the tokens as a blatant cash-grab, nothing more.

I've always had an idea where you can pay in-game gold to an NPC and be able to change your body sliders a tiny bit (as in, no drastic changes; only stuff like changing skin tone, buffing up your character a bit, maybe a tiny bit of skeleton morphing), and over several weeks you can watch your character slowly morph into whatever you wanted.

Still inferior to tokens, but still gives players a tiny amount of freedom for only in-game gold.

I feel like Adornments, war paint ane hairstyle/color should be free. Everything else I am fine with costing money (I wouldn't like it but I would be fine with it).

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

I used to play an MMO that had a barbershop (WoW) and I honestly prefer ZOS' system.
Like @Aeula said, it saves having to drop whatever you are doing at the moment and going to a fixed location to just swap out a hairstyle. And sometimes I do this when a person goes afk during a pledge - I get bored waiting and do a complete makeover while waiting for "Bob" to come back from the restroom or whatnot.
Another great thing is that you pay one time to access all the base hairstyles.
In WoW, I remember you had to pay every time you changed even just one crummy thing about your character's look.
And as @Ravena stated: It's not even expensive.
People will pay more for things you can get in-game with gold instead (experience scrolls, riding training books, bag space, etc.)

So you rather pay 14.99 dollars to change your character hair instead in game gold becase? reasons?

I believe he stated them if you had read the entire comment. Saves time, has all the styles in place no need to travel every 10 minutes, saves gold in the long run. Especially if you're a plus subscriber.

On another note a barber shop isn't an appearance change system, it's a style change , your face is still your face. Maybe makeup.

When you change your style, you also change your aesthetic appearance.

Please tell me do your ears get trimmed, are the doing a nose job? When you go to a barber shop you aren't changing anything of significance.

The people here seem to think this is a money grab, this is one of least expensive things in the crown store. I'd be fine with an in game barber shop, but if you want to chage your appearance buy the token. You want to complain about a cash grab that's an entirely different matter. Someone quoted whales, please this is far from being a whale.

Im.sorry but this isn't every other mmo, we the customers asked for appearance changes, we got them. Now because they aren't free, we complain. This game is far from f2p, it's buy to play, they need to make money in order to continue the game. This is the least problematic thing in the crown store.

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Yesterday I got called stupid/***/idiot and a lot more of these amazing words in Zone chat when I said "how stupid and greed is from ZOS part to charge for basic game features such as change basic character appearence".

And then people started to say "They have to make money somehow" and then when I replied them with "They already make money, the game is purchase to play, they sell DLCs, Mounts, Costumes, Hair Styles, Pets why the need to also charge for basic characters appearence when many others games have this feature in-game free of charge (only in game gold/currence)"

And of course I got attacked again by more amazing words and some people even said they put me on ignore.

Have the fanboylism gone so far that people are too blind to see when a company is stomping on them?

The purchase of the game is only going to recoup part of what the cost to make the game and keep it running. You have to have some type of renewable income. More and more people are not wanting to pay a monthly sub so that only leaves cash shops for revenue.

Now the way people responded is over the top and not needed, but if they can put a price on something and get paid for it, as long as it isn't an advantage in game, then all the power to ZOS to do it. It would be nice to be able to change your hair for free sure but at the same time then you should have asked yourself during creation am I going to like this in a year.

I am with the "have to make money somehow" group. But I agree the current implication is lazy and not very appealing. Would like to have basic hair style change as part of vanilla game with the ability to dye your hair without buying whole appearance change again. There is also a bug that hides all these style changes if you equip a disguise, reverting you back to your "base" appearance.
Some fancier styles, appearance, name and race change could be in crown store. Those are not something people are suppos to change once a month.

And even if they charged real monry I'd like to visit some fancy high elf or fabulous breton barber to get my hair cut while they give humorous comments about my old and new look: "When was the last time you washed this bush?" "Is that a spider's web?" "Oops..ahem, I mean, It looks splendid'. "Can't believe this fashion is coming back again..." "My father always used this cut. I personally think it looks redicculous."

Appearance and race changing would have been a perfect job for some dremora flesh sculptor in couldharbour (there actually is 1 less hostile dremira merchant so dealing with them is possible). We have seen how well they animated the khajiit selling crown crates. ZOS can do great animation if they want.