Can we expect a in-game Barber Shop instead of this greedy crown shop thing?

Weasel_Tunneler · December 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

It costs gold in World of Warcraft to change appearance, Weasel

Also, I thought WoW was sub only. Makes a big difference.

Also, I see WoW has an appearance change for $15.

SWTOR charges their equivelent of crown for appearance change though it is a la cart unless changes race, there is a fee for changing race and if it is not unlocked you have to buy the race. All from their cash shop.

I agree with charging for race change, but I have to pay 1000 crowns whenever I want to change my hair or put/remove some tattoos?

Recremen · December 2016

Magister_Aena wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

It costs gold in World of Warcraft to change appearance, Weasel

I know, better than 14.99 Dollars to buy a appearance token change isnt it?

Or, you know, 10$ one time purchase for adornment and hairstyle pack to change anytime, anywhere. Or are the body type and facial structure options THAT important? Don't know why you'd want to change them often, though.

Definitely RPs an M/D overeater who quickly loses a ton of weight but then quickly gains it all back. In these situations I find that just having more than one character with approximately the same name and different body types works best.

Rev Rielle · December 2016

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

I think you guys misunderstood what I said.

Barber Shop =======////////========= Hair Style pack.

Barber Shop is to change your character appearance, i dont even care about hairstyle, but pay to change basic appearance is idioticy.

I don't think there's ever been an MMO that provides a free 'barber shop' where you can change your character's appearance for free. At least none of the ones I've played.

Barber shops are traditionally for hair &/or make-up changes: Basically anything we can do in front of the mirror at home. Appearance change is something quite different, and is more akin to racial/gender changing.

And because people disagree with you you call it 'fanboylism'? That is only going to get people offside. Putting others down or attacking them that don't agree with you is one certain way to get people not to take you and what you say seriously.

Lotro has it, World of Wacraft has it

DCUO is the best exemple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibhccJSszg&ab_channel=PekiboStudio

LotRO most certainly does not have it. I played that game for many a year.

I played it to and it does have it and has had it for a while https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Barber

Also there are a few other western mmorpgs who had a barbershop option.

We're talking about different things. Not a barbershop, but an 'appearance change shop'

Rev Rielle · December 2016

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

I think you guys misunderstood what I said.

Barber Shop =======////////========= Hair Style pack.

Barber Shop is to change your character appearance, i dont even care about hairstyle, but pay to change basic appearance is idioticy.

I don't think there's ever been an MMO that provides a free 'barber shop' where you can change your character's appearance for free. At least none of the ones I've played.

Barber shops are traditionally for hair &/or make-up changes: Basically anything we can do in front of the mirror at home. Appearance change is something quite different, and is more akin to racial/gender changing.

And because people disagree with you you call it 'fanboylism'? That is only going to get people offside. Putting others down or attacking them that don't agree with you is one certain way to get people not to take you and what you say seriously.

Lotro has it, World of Wacraft has it

DCUO is the best exemple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibhccJSszg&ab_channel=PekiboStudio

LotRO most certainly does not have it. I played that game for many a year.

I Play lotro since 2010 and still play it I have a level 100 Minstrel with all 3 specs and the game have a baber shop, want me to log in there and take a screen shot?

You're changing your mind constantly; You're talking about Appearance change not barber shop... But I give up. Think what you like.

Mrs_Malaka · December 2016

Okay @Weasel_Tunneler I have come up with some great ways for you to get $14.99 really quick! That way you can purchase that awesome appearance token you oh-so desperately need

Ask your mom, dad, or parental guardian
Offer to do yardwork for the neighbors
Pick up loose cash that drops from the drive-thrus in fast food driveways
Check under your couch cushions and in your vehicle under the seats
Pawnshop (I'm sure you got some valuable stuff that you have lying around)
Donate plasma (that is $20-$50!)
Yardsale

Weasel_Tunneler · December 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

I think you guys misunderstood what I said.

Barber Shop =======////////========= Hair Style pack.

Barber Shop is to change your character appearance, i dont even care about hairstyle, but pay to change basic appearance is idioticy.

I don't think there's ever been an MMO that provides a free 'barber shop' where you can change your character's appearance for free. At least none of the ones I've played.

Barber shops are traditionally for hair &/or make-up changes: Basically anything we can do in front of the mirror at home. Appearance change is something quite different, and is more akin to racial/gender changing.

And because people disagree with you you call it 'fanboylism'? That is only going to get people offside. Putting others down or attacking them that don't agree with you is one certain way to get people not to take you and what you say seriously.

Lotro has it, World of Wacraft has it

DCUO is the best exemple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibhccJSszg&ab_channel=PekiboStudio

LotRO most certainly does not have it. I played that game for many a year.

I Play lotro since 2010 and still play it I have a level 100 Minstrel with all 3 specs and the game have a baber shop, want me to log in there and take a screen shot?

You're changing your mind constantly; You're talking about Appearance change not barber shop... But I give up. Think what you like.

???? But a Barber Shop would change your appearance as far as I know. I mean if you change your hair you are changing your appearance isn't it? or am I wrong?

Phica_Lovic · December 2016

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

I think you guys misunderstood what I said.

Barber Shop =======////////========= Hair Style pack.

Barber Shop is to change your character appearance, i dont even care about hairstyle, but pay to change basic appearance is idioticy.

Then it wouldn't be a barber shop, it'd be a plastic surgeon.

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

I used to play an MMO that had a barbershop (WoW) and I honestly prefer ZOS' system.
Like @Aeula said, it saves having to drop whatever you are doing at the moment and going to a fixed location to just swap out a hairstyle. And sometimes I do this when a person goes afk during a pledge - I get bored waiting and do a complete makeover while waiting for "Bob" to come back from the restroom or whatnot.
Another great thing is that you pay one time to access all the base hairstyles.
In WoW, I remember you had to pay every time you changed even just one crummy thing about your character's look.
And as @Ravena stated: It's not even expensive.
People will pay more for things you can get in-game with gold instead (experience scrolls, riding training books, bag space, etc.)

So you rather pay 14.99 dollars to change your character hair instead in game gold becase? reasons?

I thought it wasn't about the one-time all-access hair changing? I'm confused. Are you arguing against yourself?

Weasel_Tunneler · December 2016

Here is the Barber Shop of Lord of the Rings Online (LOTRO)

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Here you can change just a few things like hair, details, eyebrows, facil hair and hair colour all for in game gold.

Weasel_Tunneler · December 2016

Phica_Lovic wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

I think you guys misunderstood what I said.

Barber Shop =======////////========= Hair Style pack.

Barber Shop is to change your character appearance, i dont even care about hairstyle, but pay to change basic appearance is idioticy.

Then it wouldn't be a barber shop, it'd be a plastic surgeon.

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

I used to play an MMO that had a barbershop (WoW) and I honestly prefer ZOS' system.
Like @Aeula said, it saves having to drop whatever you are doing at the moment and going to a fixed location to just swap out a hairstyle. And sometimes I do this when a person goes afk during a pledge - I get bored waiting and do a complete makeover while waiting for "Bob" to come back from the restroom or whatnot.
Another great thing is that you pay one time to access all the base hairstyles.
In WoW, I remember you had to pay every time you changed even just one crummy thing about your character's look.
And as @Ravena stated: It's not even expensive.
People will pay more for things you can get in-game with gold instead (experience scrolls, riding training books, bag space, etc.)

So you rather pay 14.99 dollars to change your character hair instead in game gold becase? reasons?

I thought it wasn't about the one-time all-access hair changing? I'm confused. Are you arguing against yourself?

I'm also being cofused too, you guys are confusing me. so I posted the LOTRO exemple of Barber Shop.

Recremen · December 2016

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Here is the Barber Shop of Lord of the Rings Online (LOTRO)

Here you can change just a few things like hair, details, eyebrows, facil hair and hair colour all for in game gold.

@Weasel_Tunneler

You can make a one-time purchase of the hair and adornments pack, which will let you change everything like what that screenshot has except eyebrows. What you can't do currently is change your nose shape, eye color, hair color, cheekbone size, and that sort of thing.

Rohaus · December 2016

It's dirt cheap for the cosmetic stuff AND you can try it on before you buy it!

On the flip side, Blizzard is now thinking, "damn, why didn't we think of that?"

Weasel_Tunneler · December 2016

"You can make a one-time purchase of the hair and adornments pack, which will let you change everything like what that screenshot has except eyebrows. What you can't do currently is change your nose shape, eye color, hair color, cheekbone size, and that sort of thing."

So pay 1000 crowns to purchase a service that should be free in a mmorpg? Thats what I don't understand and thats why i'm complaning.

I'm fine with them selling the hair styles, but i'm pissed with the fact you have to pay real money for such service, got it?

Weasel_Tunneler · December 2016

Also just by reading this post: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165626/the-barber-shop-is-done-the-ignored-community-input-is-here

You see how disappointed are many of us. (It not just me complaning)

DragonBound · December 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

I think you guys misunderstood what I said.

Barber Shop =======////////========= Hair Style pack.

Barber Shop is to change your character appearance, i dont even care about hairstyle, but pay to change basic appearance is idioticy.

I don't think there's ever been an MMO that provides a free 'barber shop' where you can change your character's appearance for free. At least none of the ones I've played.

Barber shops are traditionally for hair &/or make-up changes: Basically anything we can do in front of the mirror at home. Appearance change is something quite different, and is more akin to racial/gender changing.

And because people disagree with you you call it 'fanboylism'? That is only going to get people offside. Putting others down or attacking them that don't agree with you is one certain way to get people not to take you and what you say seriously.

Lotro has it, World of Wacraft has it

DCUO is the best exemple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibhccJSszg&ab_channel=PekiboStudio

LotRO most certainly does not have it. I played that game for many a year.

I played it to and it does have it and has had it for a while https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Barber

Also there are a few other western mmorpgs who had a barbershop option.

We're talking about different things. Not a barbershop, but an 'appearance change shop'

No we are not, the thread is simply talking about changing hair and face and thats it when nearly every other western mmorpg has offered this for in game gold, there is no reason to bring up the other thing no one here for the most part disagrees with being charged for a race or body change.

DragonBound · December 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

I think you guys misunderstood what I said.

Barber Shop =======////////========= Hair Style pack.

Barber Shop is to change your character appearance, i dont even care about hairstyle, but pay to change basic appearance is idioticy.

I don't think there's ever been an MMO that provides a free 'barber shop' where you can change your character's appearance for free. At least none of the ones I've played.

Barber shops are traditionally for hair &/or make-up changes: Basically anything we can do in front of the mirror at home. Appearance change is something quite different, and is more akin to racial/gender changing.

And because people disagree with you you call it 'fanboylism'? That is only going to get people offside. Putting others down or attacking them that don't agree with you is one certain way to get people not to take you and what you say seriously.

Lotro has it, World of Wacraft has it

DCUO is the best exemple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibhccJSszg&ab_channel=PekiboStudio

LotRO most certainly does not have it. I played that game for many a year.

I Play lotro since 2010 and still play it I have a level 100 Minstrel with all 3 specs and the game have a baber shop, want me to log in there and take a screen shot?

You're changing your mind constantly; You're talking about Appearance change not barber shop... But I give up. Think what you like.

Barbershops in rpgs as a whole usually change facial and hair appearance not the body.

kevlarto_ESO · December 2016

The barber thing is lame no interaction in game, but I guess it works in its own way not what I would have like to seen, but nothing I can do about it, other than not use it.

Sanspoof · December 2016

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

It costs gold in World of Warcraft to change appearance, Weasel

Have no idea why you would even think this is worth mentioning. The amount of gold we spend at the barber shop in WoW is negligible compared to what someone can make by doing just a few quests. That said, WoW is a sub game so it can't really be compared to f2p and b2p games.

Preyfar · December 2016

I just want to be able to dye my damn character's hair without having to pay $10.

Nyghthowler · December 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

I think you guys misunderstood what I said.

Barber Shop =======////////========= Hair Style pack.

Barber Shop is to change your character appearance, i dont even care about hairstyle, but pay to change basic appearance is idioticy.

I don't think there's ever been an MMO that provides a free 'barber shop' where you can change your character's appearance for free. At least none of the ones I've played.

Barber shops are traditionally for hair &/or make-up changes: Basically anything we can do in front of the mirror at home. Appearance change is something quite different, and is more akin to racial/gender changing.

And because people disagree with you you call it 'fanboylism'? That is only going to get people offside. Putting others down or attacking them that don't agree with you is one certain way to get people not to take you and what you say seriously.

I don't know if it is still like this since Daybreak took over, as I haven't played it in years, but EQ2 gave subscribers a free barbershop token each month. That's on top of all the extras you received for being a subscriber.

edit for typo

Ravena · December 2016

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

It costs gold in World of Warcraft to change appearance, Weasel

Also, I thought WoW was sub only. Makes a big difference.

Also, I see WoW has an appearance change for $15.

SWTOR charges their equivelent of crown for appearance change though it is a la cart unless changes race, there is a fee for changing race and if it is not unlocked you have to buy the race. All from their cash shop.

I agree with charging for race change, but I have to pay 1000 crowns whenever I want to change my hair or put/remove some tattoos?

Uh. no, you buy it once and then you can change it whenever you want, on any character you want. It's pretty fair.

KimoBitz · December 2016

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Yesterday I got called stupid/***/idiot and a lot more of these amazing words in Zone chat when I said "how stupid and greed is from ZOS part to charge for basic game features such as change basic character appearence".

And then people started to say "They have to make money somehow" and then when I replied them with "They already make money, the game is purchase to play, they sell DLCs, Mounts, Costumes, Hair Styles, Pets why the need to also charge for basic characters appearence when many others games have this feature in-game free of charge (only in game gold/currence)"

And of course I got attacked again by more amazing words and some people even said they put me on ignore.

Have the fanboylism gone so far that people are too blind to see when a company is stomping on them?

Dude I posted a thread like that almost 4 times and everytime I get attacked

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

I think you guys misunderstood what I said.

Barber Shop =======////////========= Hair Style pack.

Barber Shop is to change your character appearance, i dont even care about hairstyle, but pay to change basic appearance is idioticy.

I don't think there's ever been an MMO that provides a free 'barber shop' where you can change your character's appearance for free. At least none of the ones I've played.

Barber shops are traditionally for hair &/or make-up changes: Basically anything we can do in front of the mirror at home. Appearance change is something quite different, and is more akin to racial/gender changing.

And because people disagree with you you call it 'fanboylism'? That is only going to get people offside. Putting others down or attacking them that don't agree with you is one certain way to get people not to take you and what you say seriously.

DCUO, Neverwinter, Warframe. ALL free to play... eso is buy to play with simple things hidden behind a paywall. agree strongly with OP

Bumblebeelzebub · December 2016

KimoBitz wrote: »

I got attacked again by more amazing words and some people even said they put me on ignore.

I want this embroidered on a pillow.

notimetocare · December 2016

Most games charge to change features not already availble in the crown store. OP just wants a game without paying to run it

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

Preyfar wrote: »

I just want to be able to dye my damn character's hair without having to pay $10.

also... i buy the jester outfit, i want to be able to dye it without spending £10 more for a sub fee....

starkerealm · December 2016

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Also just by reading this post: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/165626/the-barber-shop-is-done-the-ignored-community-input-is-here

You see how disappointed are many of us. (It not just me complaning)

Ah, April 2015. I remember those days. More importantly, that was nearly a year before there was any implementation of a barbershop into the game. So you've got a thread of people terrified that the eventual barbershop release will be crowns for every change, rather than hair being added to your collection. Hell, thinking back, I'm not 100% certain that was before the implementation of the modern collections system, which enables this kind of barber shop.

So, yes, I can see how many people were complaining about a hypothetical situation that might exist at some point in the future, but were apparently mollified by the system we eventually got, since they aren't in this thread agreeing with you.

FloppyTouch · December 2016

kargen27 wrote: »

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Ravena wrote: »

It's not even expensive. I strongly disagree with you.

So you agree with paying 14.99 Dollars everytime you want to change your hair?

You said it wasn't about hair. That aside take some time to create a character so you get the look you want and then stick with it. Personally I see no real reason to change appearances of characters. I tried different hair styles on a couple of mine then decided nope I like them the way they were.

Really I don't care if others want to change their looks but might as well cost real money and help support the game. Or bring back subscriptions for everybody. That would work too.

i like this part a lot i would be happy to pay a sub again. Imagine everyone have craft bags and free DLC but that will never happen. With B2P they let in all the cry babies that want everything for free

AlienSlof · December 2016

svartorn wrote: »

I don't mind the current setup of "buy all the hairstyles and change it when you want" but when I zone in and out of places it will reset my hair/jewelry/accessories back to unequipped. I've filed tickets for this bug and made posts on the bugs forum and ZOS gives zero ***.

^ This. ^

I have sent numerous reports in about this, but so far, nothing.

Weasel_Tunneler · December 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

Most games charge to change features not already availble in the crown store. OP just wants a game without paying to run it

????????

How is that asking for a Barber Shop wanting everything for free? I bought the game and i'm happy this game is a B2P game, I also bought 2 costumes packs for me with no regrets, I'm still planning in purchasing all 4 DLCs and a pet. I don't mind spending money on certain cosmetics.

Now, when a game charge you for basic services such as Barber Shop ...

They do not need to put another way to make money when the game already have a very good and growing Crown Store with many charging features.

Stopnaggin · December 2016

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Mrs_Malaka wrote: »

I used to play an MMO that had a barbershop (WoW) and I honestly prefer ZOS' system.
Like @Aeula said, it saves having to drop whatever you are doing at the moment and going to a fixed location to just swap out a hairstyle. And sometimes I do this when a person goes afk during a pledge - I get bored waiting and do a complete makeover while waiting for "Bob" to come back from the restroom or whatnot.
Another great thing is that you pay one time to access all the base hairstyles.
In WoW, I remember you had to pay every time you changed even just one crummy thing about your character's look.
And as @Ravena stated: It's not even expensive.
People will pay more for things you can get in-game with gold instead (experience scrolls, riding training books, bag space, etc.)

So you rather pay 14.99 dollars to change your character hair instead in game gold becase? reasons?

I believe he stated them if you had read the entire comment. Saves time, has all the styles in place no need to travel every 10 minutes, saves gold in the long run. Especially if you're a plus subscriber.

On another note a barber shop isn't an appearance change system, it's a style change , your face is still your face. Maybe makeup.