Hey Templar Healers...What's Up with not using your best skills?

paulsimonps · December 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

Radiant aura and repentance effects everybody. The key difference is the radiant aura effects all 3 resources of everyone not just the one. For the most part repentance is completely useless is the majority of boss fights since there is usually a lack of mobs.
Repentance is also the one that heals not Radiant Aura....You might have things backwards

I know what they both do. Where did I ever say Radiant Aura is the one that heals? I know repentance is the one that heals.

Actually radiant aura gives 20% increased health recovery, which technically is a heal if its increasing how fast you rocover health

This right here is the biggest joke I have ever heard.

Base HP regen is 309, no DPS worth their money is gonna buff that and most races don't have a buff for it either. A 20% buff to that is 309*1.2=370.8 So a buff from 154.5HPS to 185.4HPS. Its a joke. Health Recovery is the worst stat in the game.

Also for those that say hey lets go Radiant Aura instead of Repentance. Let me tell why that is a crap idea. Its called Potions. See Radiant Aura gives Major Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect, and as we all SHOULD know Major buffs don't stack with Major buffs of the same type. And everyone player uses some kind of Potions, from those that just uses the mob drop potions to those that use Weapon or Spell Power pots. Radiant Aura is a useless skill.

Zyrudin · December 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

This guy gets it xxx

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

It is not terrible at all, circumstantial yes but not terrible. You seem very worried about 'everyone's' resources as tank hahahahaha. Worry about your own resources man, and your runs will be a lot less stress.

Not to step on anybody's foot, but when I play healer, I am "worried" about everyone's resources - it's part of what I am there to do.

I agree with you man, I'm the same on my Templar ... but OP is a tank who worries about everyone's resources including himself and instead of managing his resources better he solely blames the Templar hahahaha - poor templars hahaha

Well, then maybe the OP Tank has a potential Healer inside, yet to be discovered.
Roll a Templar and become a Healer, @Khaos_Bane

Join the battery club.

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

paulsimonps wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

Radiant aura and repentance effects everybody. The key difference is the radiant aura effects all 3 resources of everyone not just the one. For the most part repentance is completely useless is the majority of boss fights since there is usually a lack of mobs.
Repentance is also the one that heals not Radiant Aura....You might have things backwards

I know what they both do. Where did I ever say Radiant Aura is the one that heals? I know repentance is the one that heals.

Actually radiant aura gives 20% increased health recovery, which technically is a heal if its increasing how fast you rocover health

This right here is the biggest joke I have ever heard.

Base HP regen is 309, no DPS worth their money is gonna buff that and most races don't have a buff for it either. A 20% buff to that is 309*1.2=370.8 So a buff from 154.5HPS to 185.4HPS. Its a joke. Health Recovery is the worst stat in the game.

Also for those that say hey lets go Radiant Aura instead of Repentance. Let me tell why that is a crap idea. Its called Potions. See Radiant Aura gives Major Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect, and as we all SHOULD know Major buffs don't stack with Major buffs of the same type. And everyone player uses some kind of Potions, from those that just uses the mob drop potions to those that use Weapon or Spell Power pots. Radiant Aura is a useless skill.

I didn't say for anyone to use any one thing over another. I said it increases health recovery which technically is a heal (by your math 30.9 health per second) is extra Heath gained per second. You say it's the biggest joke ever but immediately provide math to back up exactly what I said hahahaha thanks for that

paulsimonps · December 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

Radiant aura and repentance effects everybody. The key difference is the radiant aura effects all 3 resources of everyone not just the one. For the most part repentance is completely useless is the majority of boss fights since there is usually a lack of mobs.
Repentance is also the one that heals not Radiant Aura....You might have things backwards

I know what they both do. Where did I ever say Radiant Aura is the one that heals? I know repentance is the one that heals.

Actually radiant aura gives 20% increased health recovery, which technically is a heal if its increasing how fast you rocover health

This right here is the biggest joke I have ever heard.

Base HP regen is 309, no DPS worth their money is gonna buff that and most races don't have a buff for it either. A 20% buff to that is 309*1.2=370.8 So a buff from 154.5HPS to 185.4HPS. Its a joke. Health Recovery is the worst stat in the game.

Also for those that say hey lets go Radiant Aura instead of Repentance. Let me tell why that is a crap idea. Its called Potions. See Radiant Aura gives Major Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect, and as we all SHOULD know Major buffs don't stack with Major buffs of the same type. And everyone player uses some kind of Potions, from those that just uses the mob drop potions to those that use Weapon or Spell Power pots. Radiant Aura is a useless skill.

I didn't say for anyone to use any one thing over another. I said it increases health recovery which technically is a heal (by your math 30.9 health per second) is extra Heath gained per second. You say it's the biggest joke ever but immediately provide math to back up exactly what I said hahahaha thanks for that

I feel sorry for anyone you run with if 30.9 HP a second is a great buff in your eyes. Its the biggest waste of a skillpoint I have ever seen for a healer, even damage abilities are better used for that skillpoint.

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

paulsimonps wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

Radiant aura and repentance effects everybody. The key difference is the radiant aura effects all 3 resources of everyone not just the one. For the most part repentance is completely useless is the majority of boss fights since there is usually a lack of mobs.
Repentance is also the one that heals not Radiant Aura....You might have things backwards

I know what they both do. Where did I ever say Radiant Aura is the one that heals? I know repentance is the one that heals.

Actually radiant aura gives 20% increased health recovery, which technically is a heal if its increasing how fast you rocover health

This right here is the biggest joke I have ever heard.

Base HP regen is 309, no DPS worth their money is gonna buff that and most races don't have a buff for it either. A 20% buff to that is 309*1.2=370.8 So a buff from 154.5HPS to 185.4HPS. Its a joke. Health Recovery is the worst stat in the game.

Also for those that say hey lets go Radiant Aura instead of Repentance. Let me tell why that is a crap idea. Its called Potions. See Radiant Aura gives Major Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect, and as we all SHOULD know Major buffs don't stack with Major buffs of the same type. And everyone player uses some kind of Potions, from those that just uses the mob drop potions to those that use Weapon or Spell Power pots. Radiant Aura is a useless skill.

I didn't say for anyone to use any one thing over another. I said it increases health recovery which technically is a heal (by your math 30.9 health per second) is extra Heath gained per second. You say it's the biggest joke ever but immediately provide math to back up exactly what I said hahahaha thanks for that

I feel sorry for anyone you run with if 30.9 HP a second is a great buff in your eyes. Its the biggest waste of a skillpoint I have ever seen for a healer, even damage abilities are better used for that skillpoint.

Again .... I didn't say it was a great buff, I said it was an increase in Health recovery. I don use it myself, you've gotten yourself all worked up because you didn't read properly, what I had typed.

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

This guy gets it xxx

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

It is not terrible at all, circumstantial yes but not terrible. You seem very worried about 'everyone's' resources as tank hahahahaha. Worry about your own resources man, and your runs will be a lot less stress.

Not to step on anybody's foot, but when I play healer, I am "worried" about everyone's resources - it's part of what I am there to do.

I agree with you man, I'm the same on my Templar ... but OP is a tank who worries about everyone's resources including himself and instead of managing his resources better he solely blames the Templar hahahaha - poor templars hahaha

Well, then maybe the OP Tank has a potential Healer inside, yet to be discovered.
Roll a Templar and become a Healer, @Khaos_Bane Join the battery club.

Yes hahahaha join the battery club and understand how it sounds to be yelled at when you don't press certain buttons when other players want you to press them hahahaha.

DoccEff · December 2016

paulsimonps wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

Radiant aura and repentance effects everybody. The key difference is the radiant aura effects all 3 resources of everyone not just the one. For the most part repentance is completely useless is the majority of boss fights since there is usually a lack of mobs.
Repentance is also the one that heals not Radiant Aura....You might have things backwards

I know what they both do. Where did I ever say Radiant Aura is the one that heals? I know repentance is the one that heals.

Actually radiant aura gives 20% increased health recovery, which technically is a heal if its increasing how fast you rocover health

This right here is the biggest joke I have ever heard.

Base HP regen is 309, no DPS worth their money is gonna buff that and most races don't have a buff for it either. A 20% buff to that is 309*1.2=370.8 So a buff from 154.5HPS to 185.4HPS. Its a joke. Health Recovery is the worst stat in the game.

Also for those that say hey lets go Radiant Aura instead of Repentance. Let me tell why that is a crap idea. Its called Potions. See Radiant Aura gives Major Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect, and as we all SHOULD know Major buffs don't stack with Major buffs of the same type. And everyone player uses some kind of Potions, from those that just uses the mob drop potions to those that use Weapon or Spell Power pots. Radiant Aura is a useless skill.

I didn't say for anyone to use any one thing over another. I said it increases health recovery which technically is a heal (by your math 30.9 health per second) is extra Heath gained per second. You say it's the biggest joke ever but immediately provide math to back up exactly what I said hahahaha thanks for that

I feel sorry for anyone you run with if 30.9 HP a second is a great buff in your eyes. Its the biggest waste of a skillpoint I have ever seen for a healer, even damage abilities are better used for that skillpoint.

Health-, stam-, and magicka-recovery only tick every two seconds, so it's only about 15 hps, which makes it even worse.

Zyrudin · December 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

This guy gets it xxx

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

It is not terrible at all, circumstantial yes but not terrible. You seem very worried about 'everyone's' resources as tank hahahahaha. Worry about your own resources man, and your runs will be a lot less stress.

Not to step on anybody's foot, but when I play healer, I am "worried" about everyone's resources - it's part of what I am there to do.

I agree with you man, I'm the same on my Templar ... but OP is a tank who worries about everyone's resources including himself and instead of managing his resources better he solely blames the Templar hahahaha - poor templars hahaha

Well, then maybe the OP Tank has a potential Healer inside, yet to be discovered.
Roll a Templar and become a Healer, @Khaos_Bane Join the battery club.

Yes hahahaha join the battery club and understand how it sounds to be yelled at when you don't press certain buttons when other players want you to press them hahahaha.

Well, there are certain requirements for all roles

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

This guy gets it xxx

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

It is not terrible at all, circumstantial yes but not terrible. You seem very worried about 'everyone's' resources as tank hahahahaha. Worry about your own resources man, and your runs will be a lot less stress.

Not to step on anybody's foot, but when I play healer, I am "worried" about everyone's resources - it's part of what I am there to do.

I agree with you man, I'm the same on my Templar ... but OP is a tank who worries about everyone's resources including himself and instead of managing his resources better he solely blames the Templar hahahaha - poor templars hahaha

Well, then maybe the OP Tank has a potential Healer inside, yet to be discovered.
Roll a Templar and become a Healer, @Khaos_Bane Join the battery club.

Yes hahahaha join the battery club and understand how it sounds to be yelled at when you don't press certain buttons when other players want you to press them hahahaha.

Well, there are certain requirements for all roles

Very true, and I'm starting to believe a tank is there not to tank but to blame Templar for his own poor resource management. Role a Templar and all your troubles will seem so far away.... haha

byrdmanwes · December 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

This guy gets it xxx

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

It is not terrible at all, circumstantial yes but not terrible. You seem very worried about 'everyone's' resources as tank hahahahaha. Worry about your own resources man, and your runs will be a lot less stress.

Not to step on anybody's foot, but when I play healer, I am "worried" about everyone's resources - it's part of what I am there to do.

I agree with you man, I'm the same on my Templar ... but OP is a tank who worries about everyone's resources including himself and instead of managing his resources better he solely blames the Templar hahahaha - poor templars hahaha

Well, then maybe the OP Tank has a potential Healer inside, yet to be discovered.
Roll a Templar and become a Healer, @Khaos_Bane Join the battery club.

Yes hahahaha join the battery club and understand how it sounds to be yelled at when you don't press certain buttons when other players want you to press them hahahaha.

Well, there are certain requirements for all roles

Very true, and I'm starting to believe a tank is there not to tank but to blame Templar for his own poor resource management. Role a Templar and all your troubles will seem so far away.... haha

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxS7eT_ky4

Pretty much this

paulsimonps · December 2016

You guys do realize that the OP is a Main healer right? He started the thread talking about his experience tanking for once rather doing is regular healing and noticed how seldom people helped their team with anything but their occasional overkill heal spamming.

I would say most tanks don't need shards or repentance to keep their resources going but it damn sure helps a ton, a selfish healer that thinks that tanks should be and most be 100% self sustaining with no help from the outside is a failure as support. And that is what healers are, support. A tank can go around heavy attacking all the time to keep stamina up, OR you can help them out with a shard or two and a repentance to make the run go quicker. Its just like if you had 2 magicka DPS with you and you didn't use Elemental Drain. Sure they can still do damage but they will run out of magicka and they will have to start heavy attacking and DPS will lower, OR you could help them out and use Elemental Drain. Its not that hard. Its the same principle for stamina.

olivesforge · December 2016

DoccEff wrote: »

Repentance is a free heal that restores stamina too. If you don't use it as a healer you are giving away so much of your own potential and make you look worse than you may actually be. So please. Just use it for everyone's good.

As a healer I don't need to throw a free heal. I have more than enough magica and regen to pay for a heal, becase I am minimally competent at resource managment.

paulsimonps wrote: »

Base HP regen is 309, no DPS worth their money is gonna buff that and most races don't have a buff for it either. A 20% buff to that is 309*1.2=370.8 So a buff from 154.5HPS to 185.4HPS. Its a joke. Health Recovery is the worst stat in the game.

Also for those that say hey lets go Radiant Aura instead of Repentance. Let me tell why that is a crap idea. Its called Potions. See Radiant Aura gives Major Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect, and as we all SHOULD know Major buffs don't stack with Major buffs of the same type. And everyone player uses some kind of Potions, from those that just uses the mob drop potions to those that use Weapon or Spell Power pots. Radiant Aura is a useless skill.

You forgot some math. On most of the major fights (not cleaning mobs) there are few or no adds. So even accepting your math, Radiant increases base stats 20%, and Repentance... well.. looks pretty?

So on Kena,
With Radiant: 154.5 to 185.4.
With Repentance: 154.5 to 154.5.

Also, any good healer keeping Radiant up adds that tri-stat buff for the entire fight, as opposed to Repentance occurring every... now and then. That adds up quickly. Healer needs to worry about the entire flow of the fight, start to finish, not just some guy needing to be handheld with his regen. If I can case something that means less healing later - great.

On potions, to my knowledge no mobs drop tri-stat potions, and good pots get expensive quickly. So first, Radiant saves money. But secondly, letting you healer throw Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect means you can use pots to add even more useful pots, say Expedition and Brutality.

So, major buffs possible with pots:

Radiant: 5
Repentance: 3

What I'm hearing is a bunch of tanks who think the entire group should be built around their inability to manage their own resources. That's not the DPS' or the Healer's job, it's yours.

byrdmanwes · December 2016

olivesforge wrote: »

DoccEff wrote: »

Repentance is a free heal that restores stamina too. If you don't use it as a healer you are giving away so much of your own potential and make you look worse than you may actually be. So please. Just use it for everyone's good.

As a healer I don't need to throw a free heal. I have more than enough magica and regen to pay for a heal, becase I am minimally competent at resource managment.

paulsimonps wrote: »

Base HP regen is 309, no DPS worth their money is gonna buff that and most races don't have a buff for it either. A 20% buff to that is 309*1.2=370.8 So a buff from 154.5HPS to 185.4HPS. Its a joke. Health Recovery is the worst stat in the game.

Also for those that say hey lets go Radiant Aura instead of Repentance. Let me tell why that is a crap idea. Its called Potions. See Radiant Aura gives Major Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect, and as we all SHOULD know Major buffs don't stack with Major buffs of the same type. And everyone player uses some kind of Potions, from those that just uses the mob drop potions to those that use Weapon or Spell Power pots. Radiant Aura is a useless skill.

You forgot some math. On most of the major fights (not cleaning mobs) there are few or no adds. So even accepting your math, Radiant increases base stats 20%, and Repentance... well.. looks pretty?

So on Kena,
With Radiant: 154.5 to 185.4.
With Repentance: 154.5 to 154.5.

Also, any good healer keeping Radiant up adds that tri-stat buff for the entire fight, as opposed to Repentance occurring every... now and then. That adds up quickly. Healer needs to worry about the entire flow of the fight, start to finish, not just some guy needing to be handheld with his regen. If I can case something that means less healing later - great.

On potions, to my knowledge no mobs drop tri-stat potions, and good pots get expensive quickly. So first, Radiant saves money. But secondly, letting you healer throw Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect means you can use pots to add even more useful pots, say Expedition and Brutality.

So, major buffs possible with pots:

Radiant: 5
Repentance: 3

What I'm hearing is a bunch of tanks who think the entire group should be built around their inability to manage their own resources. That's not the DPS' or the Healer's job, it's yours.

Clap clap clap. Very well said

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

I read OP mains a healer. I very much agree that the game would be much more easier (boring) if every Templar ran exactly the same BIS build and skill setup but that isn't going to happen in a year of Sundays so...... it's better to prevent than to cure, make sure your resource management would be fine as if you didn't even have a Templar shards/ED in group.

Or just stay away from group finder.... It can be challenging, but you knew that from passed experience. If it wasn't through group finder then use the chat box to 'politely' ask if the Templar is using the exact abilities you want him/her to use .... beware this can cause animosity

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

olivesforge wrote: »

DoccEff wrote: »

Repentance is a free heal that restores stamina too. If you don't use it as a healer you are giving away so much of your own potential and make you look worse than you may actually be. So please. Just use it for everyone's good.

As a healer I don't need to throw a free heal. I have more than enough magica and regen to pay for a heal, becase I am minimally competent at resource managment.

paulsimonps wrote: »

Base HP regen is 309, no DPS worth their money is gonna buff that and most races don't have a buff for it either. A 20% buff to that is 309*1.2=370.8 So a buff from 154.5HPS to 185.4HPS. Its a joke. Health Recovery is the worst stat in the game.

Also for those that say hey lets go Radiant Aura instead of Repentance. Let me tell why that is a crap idea. Its called Potions. See Radiant Aura gives Major Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect, and as we all SHOULD know Major buffs don't stack with Major buffs of the same type. And everyone player uses some kind of Potions, from those that just uses the mob drop potions to those that use Weapon or Spell Power pots. Radiant Aura is a useless skill.

You forgot some math. On most of the major fights (not cleaning mobs) there are few or no adds. So even accepting your math, Radiant increases base stats 20%, and Repentance... well.. looks pretty?

So on Kena,
With Radiant: 154.5 to 185.4.
With Repentance: 154.5 to 154.5.

Also, any good healer keeping Radiant up adds that tri-stat buff for the entire fight, as opposed to Repentance occurring every... now and then. That adds up quickly. Healer needs to worry about the entire flow of the fight, start to finish, not just some guy needing to be handheld with his regen. If I can case something that means less healing later - great.

On potions, to my knowledge no mobs drop tri-stat potions, and good pots get expensive quickly. So first, Radiant saves money. But secondly, letting you healer throw Endurance, Fortitude and Intellect means you can use pots to add even more useful pots, say Expedition and Brutality.

So, major buffs possible with pots:

Radiant: 5
Repentance: 3

What I'm hearing is a bunch of tanks who think the entire group should be built around their inability to manage their own resources. That's not the DPS' or the Healer's job, it's yours.

I think I love you

paulsimonps · December 2016

A magicka DPS does not need Major Endurance or Major Fortitude. A stamina DPS does not need Major Fortitude or Major Intellect. A DPS does not need the Buffs from Tri pots. No one need Major Fortitude.

I would rather have a tank with bad sustain that I can help out than a selfish healer that doesn't give a *** about his teammates. DPS's gone healer is probably the worst type of player. Healer gone Tank makes a good one, Tank gone healer makes a great one.

I really don't get it. Why would you not want to help your team. Its not about if they need it but if giving it to them helps them. Sure the tank can do it on his own but he can do it better if you are not a selfish prick. If you go support, why not, you know, SUPPORT.

RavenRoxie · December 2016

I main a templar healer/dps. I've always used the shards and BOL but I just recently started using repentance, I originally had the other morph of that skill but decided to realot my points and try it and it's great. But, people can very well heal and do a good job healing without it. ESO is meant to be played how you want. Hating on people who do not use what 'you' assume to be 'correct' is ignorant imo. Now yes, if the healer is fail saucing all over the place and not keeping the team up or helping to buff the group then fine, hate on em haha. But, if you ain't dying... You just think they are dumb for using what they want to use... Gtfo.

I am currently leveling a wood elf templar healer/dps. She will be magicka based but have the stam passives which I am hoping will end up being useful in Cyrodiil once she is all vamped out. She is my little experiment. So far she is a little beast. But, my point is, people have the option to play and do as they please. So, let them.

If they suck, kick em, and move on with your day. haha They will find their place one day, takes time. :P

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

paulsimonps wrote: »

A magicka DPS does not need Major Endurance or Major Fortitude. A stamina DPS does not need Major Fortitude or Major Intellect. A DPS does not need the Buffs from Tri pots. No one need Major Fortitude.

I would rather have a tank with bad sustain that I can help out than a selfish healer that doesn't give a *** about his teammates. DPS's gone healer is probably the worst type of player. Healer gone Tank makes a good one, Tank gone healer makes a great one.

I really don't get it. Why would you not want to help your team. Its not about if they need it but if giving it to them helps them. Sure the tank can do it on his own but he can do it better if you are not a selfish prick. If you go support, why not, you know, SUPPORT.

Main role of a Templar healer is to heal .. never once have you mentioned it haha. Some might consider this to be selfish, not me though... I agree with allowing people to play exactly how they want to play. When someone starts paying my sub for me, then I will listen to your input and no doubt completely ignore it because elitists love to be ignored.

Gaming is supposed to be fun - these kind of army men marshalling everyone about, I'm guessing isn't fun, I wouldn't know mind because I cross to the other side of the road when I see an elitist.

Taleof2Cities · December 2016

Well, my CP561 Templar healer runs shards, repentance, cleanse, and warhorn ... and wears Spell Power Cure + Kagrenac's ... plus does 4-5K DPS ...

But, that isn't the kind of Templar the OP is referring to ...

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

RavenRoxie wrote: »

I main a templar healer/dps. I've always used the shards and BOL but I just recently started using repentance, I originally had the other morph of that skill but decided to realot my points and try it and it's great. But, people can very well heal and do a good job healing without it. ESO is meant to be played how you want. Hating on people who do not use what 'you' assume to be 'correct' is ignorant imo. Now yes, if the healer is fail saucing all over the place and not keeping the team up or helping to buff the group then fine, hate on em haha. But, if you ain't dying... You just think they are dumb for using what they want to use... Gtfo.

I am currently leveling a wood elf templar healer/dps. She will be magicka based but have the stam passives which I am hoping will end up being useful in Cyrodiil once she is all vamped out. She is my little experiment. So far she is a little beast. But, my point is, people have the option to play and do as they please. So, let them. If they suck, kick em, and move on with your day. haha They will find their place one day, takes time. :P

Why can't everyone think like you and I, it pains me but I'll lose no sleep over a dungeon taking an extra 4 minutes because we didn't do it how the great and mighty dictated to us hahahhha

RavenRoxie · December 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

RavenRoxie wrote: »

I main a templar healer/dps. I've always used the shards and BOL but I just recently started using repentance, I originally had the other morph of that skill but decided to realot my points and try it and it's great. But, people can very well heal and do a good job healing without it. ESO is meant to be played how you want. Hating on people who do not use what 'you' assume to be 'correct' is ignorant imo. Now yes, if the healer is fail saucing all over the place and not keeping the team up or helping to buff the group then fine, hate on em haha. But, if you ain't dying... You just think they are dumb for using what they want to use... Gtfo.

I am currently leveling a wood elf templar healer/dps. She will be magicka based but have the stam passives which I am hoping will end up being useful in Cyrodiil once she is all vamped out. She is my little experiment. So far she is a little beast. But, my point is, people have the option to play and do as they please. So, let them. If they suck, kick em, and move on with your day. haha They will find their place one day, takes time. :P

Why can't everyone think like you and I, it pains me but I'll lose no sleep over a dungeon taking an extra 4 minutes because we didn't do it how the great and mighty dictated to us hahahhha

Zyrudin · December 2016

RavenRoxie wrote: »

I main a templar healer/dps. I've always used the shards and BOL but I just recently started using repentance, I originally had the other morph of that skill but decided to realot my points and try it and it's great. But, people can very well heal and do a good job healing without it. ESO is meant to be played how you want. Hating on people who do not use what 'you' assume to be 'correct' is ignorant imo. Now yes, if the healer is fail saucing all over the place and not keeping the team up or helping to buff the group then fine, hate on em haha. But, if you ain't dying... You just think they are dumb for using what they want to use... Gtfo.

I am currently leveling a wood elf templar healer/dps. She will be magicka based but have the stam passives which I am hoping will end up being useful in Cyrodiil once she is all vamped out. She is my little experiment. So far she is a little beast. But, my point is, people have the option to play and do as they please. So, let them. If they suck, kick em, and move on with your day. haha They will find their place one day, takes time. :P

I agree with the principle entirely.

Still, it is part of "playing the game the way you want" to continuously check on what works best, so that when you join group content (particularly through group finder, but even so if you group in zone chat) you are suited for whatever type of group you end up playing with. Unless the objective is not to join with any groups for multiple player content at all, which is fine as well.

My view is that when I sign up for a group content and I agree to perform a certain role for the group, it is my "responsibility" to ensure I hinder nobody else's experience of that group content, regardless of being hindered myself at times.

A true veteran player is one who is adaptive and insightful about his build (and knows multiple combinations from experience) and what his role is supposed to be contributing to and a true veteran will always be available to offer tips and explain anything when asked by another.

He will also expect that his time is wasted sometimes by players who haven't yet realised their own sense of role "responsibility" and haven't tuned their builds to a point where the legitimate "play as you want" mentality is paired with a sense of "not ruining the experience of the others" - and note: this can be provoked by so-called "newbs" as well as so-called "leets", if both are, actually, "playing as they want" exclusively.

The only thing that everyone has to bear in mind, opinions about skills and builds aside, is that if you sign up for a role, learn what that role means, what it is supposed to do and what is the expected contribution and then build your character for that.
The roles are fuzzy right now, I agree, but if you learn them and what they entail, then it will make a better experience for everyone getting involved in groups, regardless of your chosen fine tuned build.

Khaos_Bane · December 2016

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

This guy gets it xxx

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

It is not terrible at all, circumstantial yes but not terrible. You seem very worried about 'everyone's' resources as tank hahahahaha. Worry about your own resources man, and your runs will be a lot less stress.

Not to step on anybody's foot, but when I play healer, I am "worried" about everyone's resources - it's part of what I am there to do.

I agree with you man, I'm the same on my Templar ... but OP is a tank who worries about everyone's resources including himself and instead of managing his resources better he solely blames the Templar hahahaha - poor templars hahaha

Well, then maybe the OP Tank has a potential Healer inside, yet to be discovered.
Roll a Templar and become a Healer, @Khaos_Bane Join the battery club.

Yes hahahaha join the battery club and understand how it sounds to be yelled at when you don't press certain buttons when other players want you to press them hahahaha.

I have only been complimented and given guild invites when I heal in PuGs or for other guilds. So I know I'm making groups happy, I just thought most other Templar healers did too.

Zyrudin · December 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

This guy gets it xxx

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

It is not terrible at all, circumstantial yes but not terrible. You seem very worried about 'everyone's' resources as tank hahahahaha. Worry about your own resources man, and your runs will be a lot less stress.

Not to step on anybody's foot, but when I play healer, I am "worried" about everyone's resources - it's part of what I am there to do.

I agree with you man, I'm the same on my Templar ... but OP is a tank who worries about everyone's resources including himself and instead of managing his resources better he solely blames the Templar hahahaha - poor templars hahaha

Well, then maybe the OP Tank has a potential Healer inside, yet to be discovered.
Roll a Templar and become a Healer, @Khaos_Bane Join the battery club.

Yes hahahaha join the battery club and understand how it sounds to be yelled at when you don't press certain buttons when other players want you to press them hahahaha.

I have only been complimented and given guild invites when I heal in PuGs or for other guilds. So I know I'm making groups happy, I just thought most other Templar healers did too.

A good healer is very rarely recognised... except when he's missing

olivesforge · December 2016

I read

paulsimonps wrote: »

A magicka DPS does not need Major Endurance or Major Fortitude. A stamina DPS does not need Major Fortitude or Major Intellect. A DPS does not need the Buffs from Tri pots. No one need Major Fortitude.

... and then

paulsimonps wrote: »

I really don't get it. Why would you not want to help your team. Its not about if they need it but if giving it to them helps them.

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It is the height of selfishness to put the tank's specific needs over everyone else's. My job is to heal the entire team, to give buffs that help the entire team, and to watch the entire team. Having to spend the entire fight worrying about one guy's favorite morph of a skill on my toon distracts from that mightily.

paulsimonps · December 2016

olivesforge wrote: »

I read

paulsimonps wrote: »

A magicka DPS does not need Major Endurance or Major Fortitude. A stamina DPS does not need Major Fortitude or Major Intellect. A DPS does not need the Buffs from Tri pots. No one need Major Fortitude.

... and then

paulsimonps wrote: »

I really don't get it. Why would you not want to help your team. Its not about if they need it but if giving it to them helps them.

It is the height of selfishness to put the tank's specific needs over everyone else's. My job is to heal the entire team, to give buffs that help the entire team, and to watch the entire team. Having to spend the entire fight worrying about one guy's favorite morph of a skill on my toon distracts from that mightily.

Its the best morph for everyone. And no it isn't a contradiction. I said why would you not want to help your team, and using Radiant Aura is useless for the entire team. Cause everyone uses pots to get the major buff they need, it gives so little it can just as well be counted as nothing.

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

paulsimonps wrote: »

olivesforge wrote: »

I read

paulsimonps wrote: »

A magicka DPS does not need Major Endurance or Major Fortitude. A stamina DPS does not need Major Fortitude or Major Intellect. A DPS does not need the Buffs from Tri pots. No one need Major Fortitude.

... and then

paulsimonps wrote: »

I really don't get it. Why would you not want to help your team. Its not about if they need it but if giving it to them helps them.

It is the height of selfishness to put the tank's specific needs over everyone else's. My job is to heal the entire team, to give buffs that help the entire team, and to watch the entire team. Having to spend the entire fight worrying about one guy's favorite morph of a skill on my toon distracts from that mightily.

Its the best morph for everyone. And no it isn't a contradiction. I said why would you not want to help your team, and using Radiant Aura is useless for the entire team. Cause everyone uses pots to get the major buff they need, it gives so little it can just as well be counted as nothing.

that is remarkably presumptuous .. i only ever use pots at the very very very last possible moment before death in pve, ALL my pots are kept for my alchemist classes in pvp

- why do you continually encapsulate 'everyone' with your personal opinions and preferences ? if everyone played the way you play then this thread would be rather pointless you would agree, but they don't hence why you are calling those 'different' players 'selfish pricks' .... no amount of incorrect long multiplication can sum up to you not be elitist. #LEET

Skinless_Jerk · December 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Zyrudin wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

This guy gets it xxx

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

byrdmanwes wrote: »

1st the other morph of repentance helps the whole group not just stamina players. So the question becomes help part of the group or the whole group?

2CD Shards are a luxury. You don't just get them. We throw them when other priorities are taken care of. Personally shards are usually one of my last priorities. HOTS, Buffs, Rebuffs and healing the idiots that stand in red circles end up taking priority.

3rd If you need someone else to manage your resources, then you should reconsider how you are playing.

Sorry radiant Aura is terrible, it is not better than repentance. It benefits everyone to keep the groups resources up and contribute to DPS rather than overhealing.

It is not terrible at all, circumstantial yes but not terrible. You seem very worried about 'everyone's' resources as tank hahahahaha. Worry about your own resources man, and your runs will be a lot less stress.

Not to step on anybody's foot, but when I play healer, I am "worried" about everyone's resources - it's part of what I am there to do.

I agree with you man, I'm the same on my Templar ... but OP is a tank who worries about everyone's resources including himself and instead of managing his resources better he solely blames the Templar hahahaha - poor templars hahaha

Well, then maybe the OP Tank has a potential Healer inside, yet to be discovered.
Roll a Templar and become a Healer, @Khaos_Bane Join the battery club.

Yes hahahaha join the battery club and understand how it sounds to be yelled at when you don't press certain buttons when other players want you to press them hahahaha.

I have only been complimented and given guild invites when I heal in PuGs or for other guilds. So I know I'm making groups happy, I just thought most other Templar healers did too.

You don't POSSIBLY believe what you just said otherwise why make this thread if you thought all other templars were so good they only got praise. PuG players praise you through group finder, so that's why you think it's ok to bark at the ones who don't play exactly like you play? shame on you

itsfatbass · December 2016

Those people saying Healing Springs is not efficient is not using it correctly. HS is THE MOST efficient and effective heal in game, no matter what dungeon you're doing. And quit trying to make repentance a requirement, its NOT. Period. If a tank has resource issues when they're already getting shards, then that is THEIR problem, and repentance is not the fix...

VampiricByNature · December 2016

Healing is like babysitting an infant.

At first, it's a good idea.

Then you have to feed it, clothe it, rock it, change it....

And then it still cries like a banshee with demands

[When in doubt, they always blame the healer. Even if they think red aoe is a cuddle buddy.]