jaye63 wrote: »

I would say add an ingame bug report, add a /loc so you can input your location with the bug and if you can repeat the bug easily, ingame ZOS people that can watch the bug when you do it.

This is one of the few MMOs I have ever played that doesnt seem to have an ingame staff member to help fix issues and then report them back to the Devs.

You mean like the "Game Masters" mentioned in the loading screen tool tip, the ones that disappeared about a year ago with no explanation, no notification, and no alternative to help the community? Yeah, that'd be nice.

starkerealm wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

fixes should always come first, this is one of the things that puts blizzards World of Warcraft above other MMO's since if it's broken they'll work on a fix asap.

People forget what a mess WoW was on launch. As in, completely forget. They also frequently don't realize that WoW is the exception in a lot of ways. Not, they fix their problems when they come up so that's why their successful, rather it's they're disproportionately successful, so they can afford to run a separate team for fixes, and can pay them to fix it on the spot, rather than having to reassign people.

Their ability to fix things does help their numbers, but not enough to justify it for others. It is a luxury most devs cannot afford. Including ZOS.

I'm sorry, you're telling me the game company, that's related to BETHESDA, calls it-self a Triple-A publisher, and just did a MILLION DOLLAR GIVE-AWAY as well as other give-aways, can't afford to hire an extra coder to two? Not even temporarily for a few months of intensive bug fixing? I'm sorry, but no. I simply cannot believe you when the evidence is so far to the contrary.

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Delaying content isn't going to make fixing bugs faster.

It PAINS me to see how many people ride this Kool-Aid train. The terrible thing about it, is that it's rooted in some truth, which makes dispelling the false notions about it that much harder.
To clarify:
YES, there are employees such as graphical artists, voice actors, concept artists, 3D renderers, etc. that have nothing to do with bug-fixing, they simply create 'assets' to be used. They work on computers, but their area of expertise is totally different and inapplicable to fixing coding, that's absolutely true.
Now, here's the point people get confused at... the people that IMPLEMENT those things, USE those assets, and CODE the game worlds, dungeons, encounters, bosses, events, that consume those assets and generate new content... THEY. ARE. PROGRAMMERS.
If you actually think they have two SEPARATE teams creating content and fixing content, you're out of your mind, and if they actually DO, then THEY'RE out of their minds. The person most suited to fixing a bug, is the person most familiar with the code, AKA the programmer themselves that WROTE the code, that MADE the content!!!
Not to mention that rushed and under-tested content just adds MORE bugs, adding to the growing list.
So, in a round-about way, yes, generating new content is preventing this game from running as well as it could.

I'm more annoyed that none of the bugs/performance issues have been addressed in the current 6 months of no content.

LinearParadox wrote: »

jaye63 wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Delaying content isn't going to make fixing bugs faster.

It PAINS me to see how many people ride this Kool-Aid train. The terrible thing about it, is that it's rooted in some truth, which makes dispelling the false notions about it that much harder.
To clarify:
YES, there are employees such as graphical artists, voice actors, concept artists, 3D renderers, etc. that have nothing to do with bug-fixing, they simply create 'assets' to be used. They work on computers, but their area of expertise is totally different and inapplicable to fixing coding, that's absolutely true.
Now, here's the point people get confused at... the people that IMPLEMENT those things, USE those assets, and CODE the game worlds, dungeons, encounters, bosses, events, that consume those assets and generate new content... THEY. ARE. PROGRAMMERS.
If you actually think they have two SEPARATE teams creating content and fixing content, you're out of your mind, and if they actually DO, then THEY'RE out of their minds. The person most suited to fixing a bug, is the person most familiar with the code, AKA the programmer themselves that WROTE the code, that MADE the content!!!
Not to mention that rushed and under-tested content just adds MORE bugs, adding to the growing list.
So, in a round-about way, yes, generating new content is preventing this game from running as well as it could.

Let's look at some typical bugs:
- I can't log in
- The eyes on the Argonian model are bulging
- I fell through the floor and died
- there's too much lag in zone X when too many people get in it
- I lost my items when I tried to save them in my bank
- Quest X is broken and the final boss doesn't appear

It is very likely that each one of these bugs is handled by a different group. The most specialized is the game engine, which is the lag complaint. The login complaint is a totally different piece of code, as is the banking problem. A quest being broken is totally different again. I would be very surprised if the person coding the login screen could fix an engine problem, or could fix the bulging eyes on a model.

MMO's are much more complicated than just artists and programmers. There are probably 5 different teams of programmers, all focused on their own specialty.

AlMcFly wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

At risk of being pedantic, content updates come every 3 months so if we skipped one for them to fix their servers, it would be 6 months without any new content. Given how long it is since we had any proper new content (OT was fun but wasn't new content, housing may be fun but isn't proper content) the game may have few players left when it does release something new. On plus side, that could fix the server lag issues!

Not necessarily. If the game went into a "communication blackout" during this period, sure, a ton of people would get frustrated and leave. If beforehand they released a general communication "BugFix Goals", and an estimated time involved for each, I think players would rejoice. They could then release further announcements every four weeks specifically outlining their successes and challenges. The game companies who do this are applauded and loved.

You mean like the communication blackout we're currently in? We're getting absolutely nothing from them other than the most basic things like, "Housing next quarter." or "Proc-sets aren't 'quite right'." and the latter is only because of the HUGE uproar about it. It takes an inferno before a single firefighter pops their head up from ZoS, and even then usually barely does anything or gives some generic, non-committal, played down answer like the proc sets. It's like watching some walk into an ER with their arm cut off and the doctor looks at them and says "Hmmm... I'll have a nurse bring you some aspirin some time in the next hour."
People wonder why imaginations fly on the forums, conspiracy theories abound, "ZoS hates us, the game is gonna be dead in six months, etc etc etc." Well when all we get is SILENCE, all we can do is SPECULATE, and when people are frustrated, annoyed, and impatient, we tend to extrapolate on the negative side of things. It's human nature, and when even those wild accusations are met with silence, all we can do is reason that either they don't care enough to allay our fears and suspicions, or worse, don't HAVE anything to allay our fears and suspicious because we're RIGHT and so they just remain silent and hope to avoid the whole matter.
It all boils down to what I've said all along; MORE COMMUNICATION.

I've never experienced any of these performance issues. Try getting some internet that isn't dial-up and you'll be fine.

It's a simple Yes or No question... No.

it whats making me leave again.... nothing is getting fixed for another 3 months I can't be bothered.

I wouldnt mind a 2 week sever black out if all of the issues would be fixed. assuming there's 2 shifts working 5 days a week. Then follow it up with a major dlc/update like One Tamriel was. Cept 1T should have been in the game from the start.

I am a sub. I REALLY do want performance and bugs fixed. I would be willing to go without new content for 3 months if it meant a better more smoother experience. 2/3 years almost since release ... these things should have been addressed already, but they haven't. I was so pumped for battlefield 4 release just to find out the rubber banding a server performance ruined the game for 6-7 months .... eso released in a MUCH more better manner than BF4 did BUT has gotten worse ever since, 2/3 years later! Highly comical yet there are loads of people saying things like 'give them time' .... exactly how much time? I want it to perform better now not be in a playable state for my children in yearsssss to come.

TheSeer wrote: »

I feel like they need to fix stuff before they come out with anymore stuff. They have 3 months before hearthfire drops. Plenty of time to fix this game.

No. 3 months will make no difference. This is why I don't think they should stop. In the end, it will just be a waste of 3 months.

Not that I'm good enough yet for flawless conqueror yet but it's still infuriating that I haven't even had an opportunity yet due to a bug. 5-10 times each run I get a bug where I can not use my skills and have somehow survived as long as 15-20 seconds before dying without regaining the ability to use my skills.

Way too often in Cyrodiil I can't mount until nearly getting to the next objective because I'm "stuck in combat".

Unfortunately these two things are what I want to do for the majority of my playing time. Due to the above mentioned bugs I find myself playing less.

So ZoS please fix your game, pretty please, with *** sugar on top.