Suggestion - Class changing on Character

Nortar · April 2014

Good idea.

Despite having several character slots, ESO encourages players to have only one character. There's no need for alts in terms of access to content.

You can excel at any role, explore all 3 alliance zones, master all crafts and learn all the weapon skills with one character. So Why would anyone want to make an alt in ESO, except for extra mule bag slots?

More then that, leveling in the same alliance zone is extremely boring, when you've already finished all the quests and found all the sky-shards with one character.

So class lock looks pretty much a useless and artificial limitation, made for no other reason then to mimic the majority of other MMOs.

And I agree that a system to change your class (well 3 locked skill lines) would be a nice, if not expected, thing.

PS: If you want an example of skill-based classless MMO, take a look at Secret World.

Roon72 · December 2014

I'm starting to wish that I made my Covenant Character a Dragonknight instead of a Sorcerer. It would be nice to be able to choose another class at a specified Shrine.

Cody · January 2015

How would you level up these skills if you decided to change late in the game? the high level enemies would kill you as a result of your lack of class abilities.

If you want to try another class, make another character. That's what I did.

and do you realize how many more DKs there would be if players could do this? a f** ton of them:/ Say goodbye to diversity

Lynx7386 · January 2015

How would you level up these skills if you decided to change late in the game? the high level enemies would kill you as a result of your lack of class abilities.

Use weapon abilities, those dont change between classes. My nightblade has 4/5 hotbar slots filled with weapon skills.

AISHIITERU · June 2015

other mmo's do that too, changing class should be possible

good call

i hope they add the option

khajiitleopard255 · July 2015

I support your suggestion Navhkrin because I chose the nightblade, but later became unhappy with the skills in later game content. I want to change class but don't wish to re-play early content I have already completed. And I don't want to recollect skyshards and lore books.

khajiitleopard255 · July 2015

In no way should people be allowed to choose specific skill lines, Only re-spec into the class they choose and then level those class skill lines. FF 14 a realm reborn does this system quite perfectly only each class has one weapon type, which is not what Navhkrin is saying should be done.

Milktray · July 2015

Navhkrin wrote: »

Sleepwalker wrote: »

Navhkrin wrote: »

This game works in skill line system and has classes that are made out of 3 combined skill lines, I just ask for a way to switch between those 3 skill lines.

Respec, then you'll be able to pick among those three skill lines again. If you want three different lines, level another class. The game, as well as all MMO's, shouldn't allow for you to change a single character's class at any time. Want more skills in a character? Level another one. It's just that simple. Giving you this endless variety that you crave is not as easy as flipping a switch. It also does not promote any kind of value for anyone holding stake in this game, at least not enough to make it a worthwhile endeavor.

I'm guessing (I keep having to guess; all of your run-on sentences make it hard to read) that you want to pick any three skill lines from all of the class skill lines that are available. My immediate vision of this would be one of complete imbalance. If you can conceive of how this would work (not sure how much you know about software development or game design), more power to you. However, I'm willing to bet that it's not possible. Far too complex with too many resources needed to make it continuously work.

In any case, this is not going to happen with ESO, so I say... buck up and play with what you've got already. The developers said early on that this project would be a combination of what ES gamers are used to and what MMO's have become. To think that this game is not "ES enough" is a perfectly valid opinion, but to think that after three weeks they should start getting to work on changing everything back until it is "ES enough" for you is just silly.

Navhkrin wrote: »

Basically destroying this forced class system, In fact it shouldnt have existed in first place.

Subjective stance. I personally think the system is poetry in motion. Loving every minute with my NB.

Yes, and mmos are not forced to have classes, except for the ones that aim to success by copying WoW.

Im suggesting that i should be able to re-select class on my current character, Like turning dragon knight into nightblade. This has no effect to game balance.
They want to make happy both ES and MMO crowd , I dont see any reason for anyone to be unhappy about this system.

Doing such system should not take any longer then one persons single day.

Also im not asking for them to allow me switch at anytime, As i said, It can have high gold cost, I dont want to reroll.
Most of the people see WoW is the defination of MMO, it is not. MMO stands for massively multiplayer online, Nothing goes aganist switching classes in these words.

I dont see the reason for them to make me reroll just to switch from Fire Mage to Lightning Mage. If it was somethink like switching from Warrior to Mage i would see the reason but there is none in current one

Please tell me you don't think WoW was the first mmo?

and the last three are RPG .. ROLE playing game

Xvorg · July 2015

Tannakaobi wrote: »

No TES game has ever allowed you to re-spec. Also the freedom is over romanticized in the other games. In every TES game I have played, which is all of them since Morrowind you have the option to be a sneak thief, a warrior or a mage, or a mixture of all three. Which is pretty much what you have here.

I feel if anything they should not have bothered with classes and instead had a skill tree for each of the original magic schools. But then, the way it is could easily be added to anyway.

Being honest, Oblivion let you respec when you were leaving the IC sewers the first time (making all the discourse of Charles Xavier about the stars pointless).

But I do agree, Although there were some lines you were able to learn which were not the initial ones, you were not able to change your attributes, race or star sign (At least in MW and Oblivion)

Xvorg · July 2015

Navhkrin wrote: »

As we are able to reset every skill point we have, we should also be able to reset our very own class.
In every elder scrolls game i could play the way i want , ESO locked us inside an class system but if you allowed us to reset our classes, Allowing us to play the way we want, we cant be all 4 at once but at least we would have power to switch between them, everythink would be so great.
Not only this lifts restriction of classes, but it also helps people with trouble on picking a class.
As for lore part of things, Make this reset system connected to Harmeus Mora and it would be fine in lore-way too.

Im not saying they should allow us to choose skill lines ourselves, Im saying they should allow us to chance classes of our characters, Like a dragon knight being able to chance its class to sorcerer . Doing so would reset our class skill line to level 1 and we still would need to level those skill lines but at least we wont need to reroll

Why 3 skill lines are more important than the other 18? Do you think those 3 lines define you character?

In this game, you are not a DK because that's your class line, you are more a flame mage if you choose to go to fire skills. Can you be a frost mage? Of course. What about a frost tank? Even Scorpion from MK can be a valid model while creating a char.

A NB is a NB? Depending on the player, it can be a Ninja Wizard, a Sniper, or even a Bow Boxer. The game gives you tons of options which IMHO are more than enough for a MMO.

Now the question: with those 18 skill lines you are able to change at any moment, why should I like to change my class?

P.S. Morrowind and Oblivion did have classes too and, same as here, your had the option to follow those build or start something new.

Navhkrin · September 2015

Also game

Xvorg wrote: »

Navhkrin wrote: »

As we are able to reset every skill point we have, we should also be able to reset our very own class.
In every elder scrolls game i could play the way i want , ESO locked us inside an class system but if you allowed us to reset our classes, Allowing us to play the way we want, we cant be all 4 at once but at least we would have power to switch between them, everythink would be so great.
Not only this lifts restriction of classes, but it also helps people with trouble on picking a class.
As for lore part of things, Make this reset system connected to Harmeus Mora and it would be fine in lore-way too.

Im not saying they should allow us to choose skill lines ourselves, Im saying they should allow us to chance classes of our characters, Like a dragon knight being able to chance its class to sorcerer . Doing so would reset our class skill line to level 1 and we still would need to level those skill lines but at least we wont need to reroll

Why 3 skill lines are more important than the other 18? Do you think those 3 lines define you character?

In this game, you are not a DK because that's your class line, you are more a flame mage if you choose to go to fire skills. Can you be a frost mage? Of course. What about a frost tank? Even Scorpion from MK can be a valid model while creating a char.

A NB is a NB? Depending on the player, it can be a Ninja Wizard, a Sniper, or even a Bow Boxer. The game gives you tons of options which IMHO are more than enough for a MMO.

Now the question: with those 18 skill lines you are able to change at any moment, why should I like to change my class?

P.S. Morrowind and Oblivion did have classes too and, same as here, your had the option to follow those build or start something new.

Classes in Oblivion were nothing more than some starter stat bonuses and they could be chanced through console, classes in ESO play a sigfinicantly bigger role. And those 3 skill lines are significantly more dominant over weapon skill lines. Can you play sneaky DK? Sure, will it be as much fun as NB? Nope. Can you play fire mage NB? Yes, will it be as much fun as fire mage DK? Nope. Than again, its not just about being "fire based spellcaster" its about gameplay style, there are endless "fire mages" in mmo's yet barely 2 of them are same.

RPGDad · December 2016

I really need this in a game. I made my magicka templar my cook but came to find out that I don't like playing it but after memorizing dozens of recipes I don't want to give it up but I also don't want to play it now.

Tasear · December 2016

wait... we have one tamerial maybe this a prelude to eliminating the class system.

Lezky · January 2017

Sleepwalker wrote: »

Navhkrin wrote: »

As we are able to reset every skill point we have, we should also be able to reset our very own class.

You're asking for them to allow us to level one character, and have that one character be able to be every other class on the game at any time. Seriously?

No... level another character if you want to play another class. True, you're still playing an ES game, but you're also playing a MMO. And that is a ridiculous idea for any MMO.

actually, i don't know if you have ever played ff 14, but it allows a the player to basically be any and all classes on one character, one at a time. This in no way breaks the game or is unbalanced, and ir actually gives the player a new sense of freedom and actually things to do, cause the more classes you want, the more classes you actually have to level and master.

so no allowing a player to change classes mid game, is not a stupid idea or will in any way break the game