Total troll post. Toodles!

Feels a bit like feeding troll to disagree so I'm going to come at it from another angle.

Process sets are a throwback to the early days of online games when network bandwidth was measured in baud rate and latency of one full second was considered good.

In those conditions you needed to make more of the combat a passive ability, both offense and defense.

Although lag remains an issue at times the mixing of passive combat abilities with an action based combat system is extremely disconcerting because it sharply diminishes one of this game's key features - the feeling that you're doing battle in real time.

It's an unnecessary step backwards.

Proc sets are OK.

Stacking multiple damage proc sets without any kind of global cooldown is NOT OK.

Thelon wrote: »

There fixed that for ya.

7/10.

Thanks for sharing with the group . Keep coming back . It works if you work it .

Why can't casuals just practice the fundamentals of the game. They already have zergs, brain dead easy survivability, root spam, and gap closer snare. Giving the ambush spammers viper and velidreth was just too much. And on top of that if you ever fight a elite player who has viper and velidreth/tremorscale and you don't have it. You don't stand a chance

Your logic is flawed in the assumption everyone should be able to pull of a win by dumb luck.

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

bigmamajama wrote: »

Proc sets have helped to level the playing field in PvP giving more players the ability to be affective in arguable one of the harder mainstream MMO's out there.

I think its a good balance between tab targeting faceroll PvP and preventing the elitist and ultra skilled from totally dominating gameplay

The only people butt hurt about proc sets are the sub set of above average players who no longer have excluisve rights to kill in Cyrodiil

Porc sets are good for the game.

This troll tread. I mean if you are too potato to play a MMO without it playing for you. Go join the other gaming potatoes in GW2. In GW2 you would fit in perfectly. GW2 will play the game for you all you have to do is spam skills of CD and win. Plus there is no grinding for gear in GW2, and no player skill needed. Any potatoe can pick up GW2 and be very successful after spending 4 hours learning the basic mechanics.

Let me tell you something tho. After ANet made GW2 go full potatoe. GW2 lost all of it's community that actually cared the game. And is suffering because of the fact. ANet let go of all of the PvP and WvW Devs because population became so low because again ANet allowed GW2 to go full on potato for the potatoes to rein supreme.

What I'm trying to say out of all of this is. That if you want to be able to put no effort into understanding game mechanics and learning how to play but want to beat the players that do. GW2 would be the perfect MMO for you and your kind. That game has fully devolved into the most spam based, tacticless, skill less, Mainstream Action MMO on the market. All in the name of marketing to sell their new HoT expansion.

There are allot of potatoes in your post, I counted 6 at least. But regardless, I'm sticking with my original thoughts on this and predict that they are not going away completely.

im jsut goign to copy/paste what i wrote on the other proc set thread(out of the 15 daily ones we get)

im a new player, and i have yet to even reach rank 6 in pvp, BUT i do bring alot of pvp exp form other mmos and my opinion is that proc sets per se are NOT bad. They provide the game some depth when it comes to gearing/building your toon providing different options/procs to build around (or so it should )

The problem is when mmo devs give procs(from abilities/gear/consumables etc) effects too strong for the level of player input required.
What i mean is, in mmo pvp the game should ALWAYS lean towards player input, skill caps and skill ceiling for that player to succeed(taking into account that the very "rock/paper/scissors" nature of mmos makes it impossible to EVER achieve a perfect balance EVEN if the design greatly enhances those factors).
So, procs are not bad WHEN the rewards vs risk vs effort are balanced.For example, a certain ability/gear set can provide a VERY strong proc BUT too achieve it the player HAS to "outplay" the circumstances.On the other hand, a weaker (yet still beneficial) proc, shouldn't require that much player input too achieve (for example weapon poisons).

So, yes, procs are extremely unbalanced as they are, since they reward a VERY minimal(if any in some cases) player input.
Someone can literally get a kill because viper and Veli procced, and all they had to do was press lmb once.That requires Zero coordination, awareness, skill, knowledge or anything form the player for that matter other then a subtle finger movement.Obviously good players take an even greater advantage of it because their gameplay maximizes the use of the procs("cough cough" as if necessary), but subpar players GREATLY benefit from this kind of design and one thing i learned after years of high rated competitive pvp, designing/balancing the game around the "casual" player has TERRIBLE consequences for the game

PVP SHOULD be fun for everyone, including the less skilled players, but for it to be GOOD it has to provide DEPTH to the player input so the skillcap AND ceiling can always be raised, and that is only achievable with a design that DOES NOT revolve around simplifying gameplay (cough cough WOW LEgion...)


There are some very easy ways to tell if something is "balanced" and provides depth to the game.For example, could a BOT kill a decent player? Under regular circumstances probably not, but if there is a REMOTE chance that a BOT can get all his procs and in a stroke of luck one shot a good player, then your answer is : THE DESIGN IS BAD

Again, PROCS are not bad, they offer depth to the overall game play, BUT if a proc is strong the player input has to be even greater.How? make it extremely hard for the proc to happen.NOT ONLY with proc chance % but by adding conditions thjat woudl require a greater player awareness, mechanical skill and a deeper overall class and game knowledge.
ALSO, and i forgot to mention it, the STRONGER THE PROC IS THE EASIER IT SHOULD BE TO COUNTER IT AND AVOID IT, raising the skillcap on both ends.


TLDR-procs are not bad, they offer depth to the game, BUT they need to offer a better balance between player iinput required, "counter-ability" and proc effect.

bigmamajama wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

I HATE PROC SETS

Do you hate proc sets because you get killed by them often? Or do you hate proc sets because now there are more players effective at PvP then before?

There going to nerf them to dots.

I'd get looking for another mmo maybe. I hear runescape is nice and easy.

Because players like you who relied on armor to pvp aren't going to like it when the 'above average' players who have struggled to 1vX and such with proc sets, finally get to a sort of skill based pvp again.

Basically:

Newbs who refused to improve and instead of getting better zerged and went proc sets to pvp for them and suddenly going to find themselves as walking ap because of their reliance.

Players who try and pvp without them and stook with it despite the obvious brokenness of them are suddenly going to find pvp a lot easier because despite how hard it was they still managed to 1vX and successfully pvp in this patch.

Protaotes: Pvp Difficulty increase
Actual Pvp'ers : Pvp difficulty increase.


Good luck.

Ok.

Sureshawt wrote: »

Proc sets are OK.

Stacking multiple damage proc sets without any kind of global cooldown is NOT OK.

Agreed - it's not a single proc that's the issue its 2-3 procs all hitting together with the base damage at the same time that I take issues with. There are much more unbalancing things out there in pvp than a player wearing a single proc set. Give us a GCD on proc sets so only one can proc in any window, and the problem largely goes away.