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Maybe it's time to make every race available to every alliance?
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Xundiin✭✭✭✭antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
Super Mario Bros. 3 was Pay to Win too. You had to buy it for your NES to play it!
Damn Nintendo has been ripping us for over 30 years!
It's not the dungeons being behind paywalls that makes it p2w it's the armor that is not sellable that makes it p2w. Lol your child like mind amuses me. I guess our definition of p2w differs but hiding some of the best gear in the game behind a paywall imo is p2w.
You P2W conspiracy theorists are out there, man. I'd say something about tinfoil hats but that would be naughty, apparently.
Can you get 1/4 of the armors in the game without paying extra? If that's a tinfoil hat idk what to say anymore if you don't see the clever p2w.
Yet over all the examples given in this thread you still don't understand what P2W is. You are trying to call a Content DLC a P2W because YOU can't get the gear with out buying the DLC..... well Duh. You can't get legion raid gear in WoW if you don't buy the expansion. You can't get the new class and gear in FF14 if you don't buy the expansion. You don't get the Dragon Born gear from the Skyrim DLC if you don't buy it. THAT IS NOT PAY TO WIN.#SavePlayer11 -
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Just... what.antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
Super Mario Bros. 3 was Pay to Win too. You had to buy it for your NES to play it!
Damn Nintendo has been ripping us for over 30 years!
It's not the dungeons being behind paywalls that makes it p2w it's the armor that is not sellable that makes it p2w. Lol your child like mind amuses me. I guess our definition of p2w differs but hiding some of the best gear in the game behind a paywall imo is p2w.
You P2W conspiracy theorists are out there, man. I'd say something about tinfoil hats but that would be naughty, apparently.
Can you get 1/4 of the armors in the game without paying extra? If that's a tinfoil hat idk what to say anymore if you don't see the clever p2w.
Yes. Subscribing isn't paying extra. If you're a F2P cheapo then everything must seem P2W to you and a tad bit hypocritical.
The game is B2P, so subscribing is paying extra by definition. That doesn't necessarily make it P2W, however.
What people usually describe as P2W is a significant combat advantage that can be earned only with real money and not through gameplay. You pay, you win, there's nothing more involved in the process. Expansions, such as ESO DLC, are a combination of both of these things: you don't pay for the items themselves, but for the opportunity to earn them. You don't get anything automatically, you still have to work for it. That typically makes it acceptable to everyone but the most radical P2W opposers.0 -
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Just... what.antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
Super Mario Bros. 3 was Pay to Win too. You had to buy it for your NES to play it!
Damn Nintendo has been ripping us for over 30 years!
It's not the dungeons being behind paywalls that makes it p2w it's the armor that is not sellable that makes it p2w. Lol your child like mind amuses me. I guess our definition of p2w differs but hiding some of the best gear in the game behind a paywall imo is p2w.
You P2W conspiracy theorists are out there, man. I'd say something about tinfoil hats but that would be naughty, apparently.
Can you get 1/4 of the armors in the game without paying extra? If that's a tinfoil hat idk what to say anymore if you don't see the clever p2w.
Yes. Subscribing isn't paying extra. If you're a F2P cheapo then everything must seem P2W to you and a tad bit hypocritical.
The game is B2P, so subscribing is paying extra by definition. That doesn't necessarily make it P2W, however.
What people usually describe as P2W is a significant combat advantage that can be earned only with real money and not through gameplay. You pay, you win, there's nothing more involved in the process. Expansions, such as ESO DLC, are a combination of both of these things: you don't pay for the items themselves, but for the opportunity to earn them. You don't get anything automatically, you still have to work for it. That typically makes it acceptable to everyone but the most radical P2W opposers.
Right. Basically what I was trying to say is subbing is not P2W. Like I said earlier, the P2W conspiracy theorists are out there. But in this case I think he's just another that wants something for nothing and wraps it around P2W.
Edit: typos.Edited by Kodrac on December 9, 2016 7:59PM0 -
antihero727✭✭✭✭✭antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
Super Mario Bros. 3 was Pay to Win too. You had to buy it for your NES to play it!
Damn Nintendo has been ripping us for over 30 years!
It's not the dungeons being behind paywalls that makes it p2w it's the armor that is not sellable that makes it p2w. Lol your child like mind amuses me. I guess our definition of p2w differs but hiding some of the best gear in the game behind a paywall imo is p2w.
You P2W conspiracy theorists are out there, man. I'd say something about tinfoil hats but that would be naughty, apparently.
Can you get 1/4 of the armors in the game without paying extra? If that's a tinfoil hat idk what to say anymore if you don't see the clever p2w.
Yes. Subscribing isn't paying extra. If you're a F2P cheapo then everything must seem P2W to you and a tad bit hypocritical.
I have been subbed from day one and have my tiger mount and monkey pet. Still doesn't change my mind about hiding armor behind $. These devs have your generation trained well to not see it for what it is.
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✭antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
I don't think you understand this game.
There is an unlock depending on the version of the game you own or a crown store option that allows us to create any character under any alliance faction.
It's been this way at PC launch and before a crown store.
Not sure if the intent of this post unless people aren't aware that this has been an option at purchase included in the price. If you chose poorly it's an added cost.
At the time the Imperial edition included all of this
Question then: does this payed service gives you any advantage at all against a player who has not payed for the service?
No. You can still pick those races without purchasing anything. The only race you can not pick with base game is imperial, which if I remember doesn't give anything special comparing to other races.
Your race choices only determine which faction you play in, unless you purchase something to allow you to play that race in a different alliance. You can still pick any race you want with the exception of imperial.antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
That's not P2W. that's called content and all that goes with that content blocked off from those who did not buy said content.
P2W is there is a super awesome sword of I win in the store. if you don't have said sword you will forever suck large pineapples. The only way to get said sword is through real life money..... that's P2W.
Scathing mage? Veledrith? Spell power cure? all of these are hidden behind a paywall as well as many others.
Lol not this again. So you expect them to only release free content? And actually eso made it so you can still obtain some items from dlc through the golden vendor. Eso is far from p2w no matter what people try to say. When people make these crazy claims it only establishes that they haven't played any truly p2w games.
Do people honestly expect developers to only release free content?
Then don't make the armor bind on pickup and make it sellable, problem solved. I get it's a company to make money but hiding things behind real money is the definition of p2w. Disagree if you want but it just might not be at your gone to far lvl.
What? Might not be at you gone to far lvl?
Pay 2 win would be being able to go to the crown store and buy a vma weapon. That is not the case here, you must complete the content to get the items. Games must progress while not handing items out to people who can't compete the requirement to get the weapon.
I think zos is being more than fair allowing anyone without dlc to get ANY dlc items without purchasing the dlc.
Sorry if you want the newest content and items obtained in that content, you need to pay for it. Stop expecting to get everything for free. No game would be able to support itself if they gave it all away for free.
You can't expect to continually get free updates for years when you probably paid less than 60$ for the game. I honestly don't see how anyone could think that any game should work like that.
Once again you are missing the point.
1-never said give the content for free. I said the armor should not be bind on pickup and sellable at guild traders.
2-that is an unfair advantage to have armor sets hidden behind content with a paid DLC.
3-I will give it to ZOS in hiding p2w in this fashion because they have definitely fooled at least one person.
lol You are missing the point. If it is BoE then people who are unable to complete the content are able to just buy the weapon. This takes away any skill requirement for any BiS gear. It is NOT p2w to have paid DLC. You being able to purchase dlc items without buying the dlc is in fact getting content free. It is not unfair advantage because they had to reach a certain skill to obtain said items. Now if they sold the item to someone who has not completed the content, that would be an unfair advantage since that person did not complete the requirements to obtain the item.
ZoS has not fooled anyone in regards to what is p2w, ESO is the farthest thing from p2w than almost any other MMO curently out. In the end ESO is not p2w, and anyone who claims it is has so obviously never experienced a game that is truly P2W.
Your attempt to ridicule me and others has only shown your inability to discuss the matter.Edited by alexkdd99 on December 9, 2016 8:03PM0 -
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✭✭antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
Super Mario Bros. 3 was Pay to Win too. You had to buy it for your NES to play it!
Damn Nintendo has been ripping us for over 30 years!
It's not the dungeons being behind paywalls that makes it p2w it's the armor that is not sellable that makes it p2w. Lol your child like mind amuses me. I guess our definition of p2w differs but hiding some of the best gear in the game behind a paywall imo is p2w.
You P2W conspiracy theorists are out there, man. I'd say something about tinfoil hats but that would be naughty, apparently.
Can you get 1/4 of the armors in the game without paying extra? If that's a tinfoil hat idk what to say anymore if you don't see the clever p2w.
Yes. Subscribing isn't paying extra. If you're a F2P cheapo then everything must seem P2W to you and a tad bit hypocritical.
I have been subbed from day one and have my tiger mount and monkey pet. Still doesn't change my mind about hiding armor behind $. These devs have your generation trained well to not see it for what it is.
My generation? LOL OK. It's nice you think I'm a kid, I guess. Doesn't change that it's not P2W.0 -
Xundiin✭✭✭✭antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »antihero727 wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
Super Mario Bros. 3 was Pay to Win too. You had to buy it for your NES to play it!
Damn Nintendo has been ripping us for over 30 years!
It's not the dungeons being behind paywalls that makes it p2w it's the armor that is not sellable that makes it p2w. Lol your child like mind amuses me. I guess our definition of p2w differs but hiding some of the best gear in the game behind a paywall imo is p2w.
You P2W conspiracy theorists are out there, man. I'd say something about tinfoil hats but that would be naughty, apparently.
Can you get 1/4 of the armors in the game without paying extra? If that's a tinfoil hat idk what to say anymore if you don't see the clever p2w.
Yes. Subscribing isn't paying extra. If you're a F2P cheapo then everything must seem P2W to you and a tad bit hypocritical.
I have been subbed from day one and have my tiger mount and monkey pet. Still doesn't change my mind about hiding armor behind $. These devs have your generation trained well to not see it for what it is.
LOL!!!
Guess games are so new that only the young generation has ever played them with expansions.... oh wait....Edited by Xundiin on December 9, 2016 10:47PM#SavePlayer10 -
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✭Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
You're joking right? Seriously...Kaizokugari wrote: »No advantage for PvE.
But it gives you advantage in your alliance's class PvP leaderboards for starters.
Now we all know you're just trolling.0 -
theher0not✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't mind to see this. Now with 1 Tamriel I can't think of a good reason to not have it (I don't think the races being limited in PvP is a valid reason to keep it).
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