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Maybe it's time to make every race available to every alliance?
Kaizokugari
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Since (let's not keep pretending this one was a designer creativity initiative) population reasons brought One Tamriel and you are basically bro with everyone and stuff, I find it really dull not to be able to make an end game AD tank for example. If someone is pledged to his alliance and wants to play everything under one banner, I believe there are no lore reasons now, not to be able to use whatever racial passives he likes. Some races, like the Argonians for example, are way to powerful in their respective roles to belong to one alliance only. This way we still have alliance imbalances, AD has 2 great NB classes and 1 great Magicka one while for example EP has two exceptional Dragonknight classes and the best healing class.
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Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's always been possible, for a price.
If they make it free for everyone now, that devalues that purchase for everyone who has paid for it. That's a risky business move.
Though yes, this should always have been possible (without extra cost), including imperials.30 -
Kaizokugari✭✭I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.2 -
Norbi✭✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
How the f does that make it P2W? What PvP or PvE advantage does that give you?18 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction8 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
I don't think you understand this game.
There is an unlock depending on the version of the game you own or a crown store option that allows us to create any character under any alliance faction.
It's been this way at PC launch and before a crown store.
Not sure if the intent of this post unless people aren't aware that this has been an option at purchase included in the price. If you chose poorly it's an added cost.
At the time the Imperial edition included all of thisEdited by NewBlacksmurf on December 8, 2016 12:30PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
~<{[50]}>~ looks better than *5013 -
Kaizokugari✭✭No advantage for PvE.
But it gives you advantage in your alliance's class PvP leaderboards for starters.1 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭They need to remove arguably the most popular TES race from behind that inane paywall before they implement any race, any faction to all. For all the garbage moves we've witnessed over the life of the CS, that particular one is the only one that has had me scratching my head.3 -
Kaizokugari✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
I don't think you understand this game.
There is an unlock depending on the version of the game you own or a crown store option that allows us to create any character under any alliance faction.
It's been this way at PC launch and before a crown store.
Not sure if the intent of this post unless people aren't aware that this has been an option at purchase included in the price. If you chose poorly it's an added cost.
At the time the Imperial edition included all of this
Question then: does this payed service gives you any advantage at all against a player who has not payed for the service?1 -
Norbi✭✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »No advantage for PvE.
But it gives you advantage in your alliance's class PvP leaderboards for starters.
That's not an advantage.. xD6 -
drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭If they do that, I want my Imperial Edition ESO partially refunded. One of the only reason I beta-tested and then jumped on board early by purchasing the Imperial Edition package was to get the "play the Imperial race and any race, any alliance". By providing a refund, if they make this change, then I would happily support this idea. Otherwise, naw...not for you late comers unless you pay for it like the rest of us.7 -
AlienSlof✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »Question then: does this payed service gives you any advantage at all against a player who has not payed for the service?
No.
All it does is allow you to choose any race in any alliance at character creation. So you can basically play your chosen race in your chosen faction, even if they weren't originally available in that faction.
It's called the Adventurer's Pack (I think) in the Crown Store. Well worth the cost IMO.
RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend, my Shining Light. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.7 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »If they do that, I want my Imperial Edition ESO partially refunded. One of the only reason I beta-tested and then jumped on board early by purchasing the Imperial Edition package was to get the "play the Imperial race and any race, any alliance". By providing a refund, if they make this change, then I would happily support this idea. Otherwise, naw...not for you late comers unless you pay for it like the rest of us.
This is a common misconception, but the any race in any alliance was not part of the Imperial Edition. It was an early release bonus. You got this perk simply by pre-ordering, and it didn't matter which version of the game you pre-ordered.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche7 -
Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This is already in the game, and has been ever since it was released.
It was a bit back alley back in the early days though.
Was a special pre-order bonus and players who didn't pre-order could buy the keys from third party sites. If you knew about it. I didn't for a very long time.Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
No no. You need to buy a special upgrade (for about 1900 crowns) which amongst other things lets you create a new character of any race (except imperials) in any faction. Without that upgrade a race change token won't let you create a Nord in the AD.1 -
Kaizokugari✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »No advantage for PvE.
But it gives you advantage in your alliance's class PvP leaderboards for starters.
That's not an advantage.. xD
Better leaderboard position - > better rewards? Above 2% I believe.drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »If they do that, I want my Imperial Edition ESO partially refunded. One of the only reason I beta-tested and then jumped on board early by purchasing the Imperial Edition package was to get the "play the Imperial race and any race, any alliance". By providing a refund, if they make this change, then I would happily support this idea. Otherwise, naw...not for you late comers unless you pay for it like the rest of us.
"I bought a new toaster from your store 2 years ago, I used and enjoyed the [SNIp] out of it but now you're giving it for free I want some money back"Kaizokugari wrote: »Question then: does this payed service gives you any advantage at all against a player who has not payed for the service?
No.
All it does is allow you to choose any race in any alliance at character creation. So you can basically play your chosen race in your chosen faction, even if they weren't originally available in that faction.
It's called the Adventurer's Pack (I think) in the Crown Store. Well worth the cost IMO.
Thought experiment. Ignore even the PvP leaderboard rewards, this is not the main point.
Two players have the same guild. The same gear. The same abilities. The same work. The same faction. Everything the same. Identical twins. The only different thing is:
1) One payed for optimal racial skills for his class.
2) The other did not.
Anyone has an advantage?Edited by ZOS_JohanaB on December 8, 2016 3:27PM1 -
drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »If they do that, I want my Imperial Edition ESO partially refunded. One of the only reason I beta-tested and then jumped on board early by purchasing the Imperial Edition package was to get the "play the Imperial race and any race, any alliance". By providing a refund, if they make this change, then I would happily support this idea. Otherwise, naw...not for you late comers unless you pay for it like the rest of us.
This is a common misconception, but the any race in any alliance was not part of the Imperial Edition. It was an early release bonus. You got this perk simply by pre-ordering, and it didn't matter which version of the game you pre-ordered.
I said I was a pre-order... please read carefully "...I beta-tested and then jumped on board early by purchasing the Imperial Edition package..." (I was referring to the point that I did pre-order early).
I think you may want to refer to: http://gamepreorders.com/the-elder-scrolls-online
"The digital Imperial Edition (available on the official website) is slightly cheaper, and, of course, only includes the digital extras. In addition to the Imperial Edition content, all pre-orders will also get the aforementioned Explorer’s Pack, plus 5-day early access (again, only for PC & Mac)."Edited by drakhan2002_ESO on December 8, 2016 12:55PM0 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »If they do that, I want my Imperial Edition ESO partially refunded. One of the only reason I beta-tested and then jumped on board early by purchasing the Imperial Edition package was to get the "play the Imperial race and any race, any alliance". By providing a refund, if they make this change, then I would happily support this idea. Otherwise, naw...not for you late comers unless you pay for it like the rest of us.
This is a common misconception, but the any race in any alliance was not part of the Imperial Edition. It was an early release bonus. You got this perk simply by pre-ordering, and it didn't matter which version of the game you pre-ordered.
I said I was a pre-order...
I think you may want to refer to: http://gamepreorders.com/the-elder-scrolls-online
"The digital Imperial Edition (available on the official website) is slightly cheaper, and, of course, only includes the digital extras. In addition to the Imperial Edition content, all pre-orders will also get the aforementioned Explorer’s Pack, plus 5-day early access (again, only for PC & Mac)."
If you acknowledge that the any race perk was not part of your Imperial bundle, why would you demand a refund for the Imperial Edition if they make unlock race restrictions for everybody? You are making no sense. That's even worse than the toaster metaphor above. This is more like saying "I bought an oven 2 years ago and have used it every day, but now that you're giving toasters away I want a partial refund".
This just reeks of self-righteous foot stomping.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche0 -
drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »"I bought a new toaster from your store 2 years ago, I used and enjoyed the s***t out of it but now you're giving it for free I want some money back"
Not the same thing; if you want any race, any alliance pay for it. It's available in the crown store. If they decide to make a general perk, then I'd like a refund.
A digital game and a toaster are two completely different things. One exists in the physical world, one exists in a virtual world. Your argument is hallow.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Kaizokugari
Every race has been available in every alliance since the game released and is still available to those who choose to purchase that feature.
Just purchase the package if you want this, just as many of us have. Zos will not change it from it's current state and it is absurd to comment about it being something that has to be bought since it has been this way since you chose to buy the game.Edited by idk on December 8, 2016 1:01PM4 -
drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »If they do that, I want my Imperial Edition ESO partially refunded. One of the only reason I beta-tested and then jumped on board early by purchasing the Imperial Edition package was to get the "play the Imperial race and any race, any alliance". By providing a refund, if they make this change, then I would happily support this idea. Otherwise, naw...not for you late comers unless you pay for it like the rest of us.
This is a common misconception, but the any race in any alliance was not part of the Imperial Edition. It was an early release bonus. You got this perk simply by pre-ordering, and it didn't matter which version of the game you pre-ordered.
I said I was a pre-order...
I think you may want to refer to: http://gamepreorders.com/the-elder-scrolls-online
"The digital Imperial Edition (available on the official website) is slightly cheaper, and, of course, only includes the digital extras. In addition to the Imperial Edition content, all pre-orders will also get the aforementioned Explorer’s Pack, plus 5-day early access (again, only for PC & Mac)."
If you acknowledge that the any race perk was not part of your Imperial bundle, why would you demand a refund for the Imperial Edition if they make unlock race restrictions for everybody? You are making no sense. That's even worse than the toaster metaphor above. This is more like saying "I bought an oven 2 years ago and have used it every day, but now that you're giving toasters away I want a partial refund".
This just reeks of self-righteous foot stomping.
...I guess you just don't get it. At the time it was included with the Imperial Edition, I had no "opt out", thus considered part of the purchase price if I pre-ordered. Therefore, if I should have received the Imperial Edition at a cost less than the Explorer Pack. Since this option was not given to me at the time, and if ZOS would like to offer this as a base game component, I'd like a partial refund. In essence I paid for the Explorer Pack.
I will refrain from engaging you further as I can clearly see you're trolling me at this point. I am not self-righteous...I am simply "right".
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Riejael✭✭✭✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
If that bothers you on principle, make a choice to stay or go. Its not hard. It either offends you enough to quit, or it doesn't. Most don't think so, in case you want to go with the flow of the masses. And you won't be able to convince them otherwise.
So now you know the fact of your situation, will you stay or not?4 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »If they do that, I want my Imperial Edition ESO partially refunded. One of the only reason I beta-tested and then jumped on board early by purchasing the Imperial Edition package was to get the "play the Imperial race and any race, any alliance". By providing a refund, if they make this change, then I would happily support this idea. Otherwise, naw...not for you late comers unless you pay for it like the rest of us.
This is a common misconception, but the any race in any alliance was not part of the Imperial Edition. It was an early release bonus. You got this perk simply by pre-ordering, and it didn't matter which version of the game you pre-ordered.
I said I was a pre-order...
I think you may want to refer to: http://gamepreorders.com/the-elder-scrolls-online
"The digital Imperial Edition (available on the official website) is slightly cheaper, and, of course, only includes the digital extras. In addition to the Imperial Edition content, all pre-orders will also get the aforementioned Explorer’s Pack, plus 5-day early access (again, only for PC & Mac)."
If you acknowledge that the any race perk was not part of your Imperial bundle, why would you demand a refund for the Imperial Edition if they make unlock race restrictions for everybody? You are making no sense. That's even worse than the toaster metaphor above. This is more like saying "I bought an oven 2 years ago and have used it every day, but now that you're giving toasters away I want a partial refund".
This just reeks of self-righteous foot stomping.
...I guess you just don't get it. At the time it was included with the Imperial Edition, I had no "opt out", thus considered part of the purchase price if I pre-ordered. Therefore, if I should have received the Imperial Edition at a cost less than the Explorer Pack. Since this option was not given to me at the time, and if ZOS would like to offer this as a base game component, I'd like a partial refund. In essence I paid for the Explorer Pack.
I will refrain from engaging you further as I can clearly see you're trolling me at this point. I am not self-righteous...I am simply "right".
You are not right. Myself and many others pre-ordered the base game and received the explorer pack. It did not matter if you bought the base or Imperial, in either physical or digital. The explorer pack came with any edition of pre-order. Full stop. If you bought the Imperial Edition because you wanted the Imperial race and horse, you got what you paid for. If you bought the Imperial Edition because you wanted the Explorer Pack, you should have done more research.
Either way, you did not pay anything extra for the Explorer Pack. If Zeni were to make the decision to remove race restrictions, it has no bearing on you, or the purchases you made at launch.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche1 -
antihero727✭✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
Veldrn-AD Magica Sorc
Bizarro Veldrn-AD Stam Sorc
Antiherro-AD Stam DK
Antihero-AD Magplar
Aww Crit-AD Magblade
AD Since PC beta
On A lag free vacation
for the near and far future2 -
drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭You are not right. Myself and many others pre-ordered the base game and received the explorer pack. It did not matter if you bought the base or Imperial, in either physical or digital. The explorer pack came with any edition of pre-order. Full stop. If you bought the Imperial Edition because you wanted the Imperial race and horse, you got what you paid for. If you bought the Imperial Edition because you wanted the Explorer Pack, you should have done more research.
Either way, you did not pay anything extra for the Explorer Pack. If Zeni were to make the decision to remove race restrictions, it has no bearing on you, or the purchases you made at launch.
The crown store has the item available for purchase. ZOS won't change their stance on this for a number reasons. In conclusion - you loose - you will never get this perk for free.1 -
Xundiin✭✭✭✭antihero727 wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
That's not P2W. that's called content and all that goes with that content blocked off from those who did not buy said content.
P2W is there is a super awesome sword of I win in the store. if you don't have said sword you will forever suck large pineapples. The only way to get said sword is through real life money..... that's P2W.#SavePlayer15 -
Xundiin✭✭✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
That's not how they said it was going to work. If you don't have the ability to play any race any faction then you won't get the ability to race change to any race any faction. If you're AD DK want's to be nord... you'll have to buy the pack that allows you to play any race any faction.#SavePlayer10 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kaizokugari wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
I don't think you understand this game.
There is an unlock depending on the version of the game you own or a crown store option that allows us to create any character under any alliance faction.
It's been this way at PC launch and before a crown store.
Not sure if the intent of this post unless people aren't aware that this has been an option at purchase included in the price. If you chose poorly it's an added cost.
At the time the Imperial edition included all of this
Question then: does this payed service gives you any advantage at all against a player who has not payed for the service?
No. Only where you live and who you fight for
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antihero727✭✭✭✭✭antihero727 wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Kaizokugari wrote: »I was aware of the race change but wasn't aware it let's you stay in your first alliance.
If I understood this correctly, you can pay a sum to make a Nord dragonknight to play for the AD? Well, if this is not P2W, I don't know what is.
Lol p2w explain to me how that is p2w being able to play a different race in another faction
The game is p2w now.
1-locking dungeons behind paid DLC with the armor now bind on pick up. When non DLC buyers couldn't buy the armor for gold the shift began.
That's not P2W. that's called content and all that goes with that content blocked off from those who did not buy said content.
P2W is there is a super awesome sword of I win in the store. if you don't have said sword you will forever suck large pineapples. The only way to get said sword is through real life money..... that's P2W.
Scathing mage? Veledrith? Spell power cure? all of these are hidden behind a paywall as well as many others.
Veldrn-AD Magica Sorc
Bizarro Veldrn-AD Stam Sorc
Antiherro-AD Stam DK
Antihero-AD Magplar
Aww Crit-AD Magblade
AD Since PC beta
On A lag free vacation
for the near and far future0 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Still amazes me the amount of people who fail to grasp what P2W actually entails. DLC dungeons are not one of them. That's like saying vMA weapons are pay to win because I'm assuming you can't access that without the particular dlc that the arena is attached to. Premium dlc (not to be confused with CS fluff) has always added in new weapons and gear in almost every game i have played.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on December 8, 2016 2:08PM1
