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Did anyone notice that stamina heals better than magicka heals?
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Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »DW also has lots of stamina based heals from morphes of damage abilities.
Bloodthirst and Bloodcraze, combine thats with crit surge yeaa!
As a newly Stamsorc coming from Magicka. I can finally say I see the light. Vigor, surge, bloodcraze, and hurricane must I say anymore. It's pretty sad that me as a magicka based fanboy had to concede defeat, roll stam and finally L2P which is btw more powerful in PvP then most if not all of the magicka based builds using the same effort and skill level.
Yes vigor in Cyrodill ticks for 3.5k on top of my other stam heals that does great damage and heal at the same time. Btw this is not even on a stamplar, some the heals would be even more on a stamplar. I honestly feel like there should be no debate on the matter, that in PvP with equal numbers, skill level, and effort, stamina is just beyond heads and shoulders above magicka atm.
Not to mention Major Evasion not being effective at all by the pvp debuff, like shields are despite being way more overpowered at many times then not in my opinion. Nothing like being to evade 4 big huge attacks after getting bursted down to less then 2k health only to finally burn thru a magicka based player's stam pool, CC, and win. MagKnight tanks yall do not apply here.
My conclusion is Vigor alone not OP at all. However mix Vigor with all of the extra benifits stamina has access to that magicka doesn't, make it stand out when they attack and heal while evading your damage while doing big burst damage with one skill and abunch of proc sets. GG, that's all I have to say on this tread, on the matter.
...What are the extra benefits stamina get that magicka doesn't? Malubeth? Both. Vitality pots? Both. Major Mending? Both (class based). Major Evasion? Both. Dodge roll? Mainly stamina. Shields? Mainly magicka. For the love of Sithis, spare me the list of magicka abilities that allow you to heal yourself while dealing damage - not everyone is a stam sorc with Surge.
If you have trouble sustaining your stamina, CC immunity pots. Sword & board. Heavy armor. Stamina stealing enchants & poisons.
Both magicka and stamina can be strong in the right hands. I dislike proc sets in PvP just as much as the next guy, but be real for a minute.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »DW also has lots of stamina based heals from morphes of damage abilities.
Bloodthirst and Bloodcraze, combine thats with crit surge yeaa!
As a newly Stamsorc coming from Magicka. I can finally say I see the light. Vigor, surge, bloodcraze, and hurricane must I say anymore. It's pretty sad that me as a magicka based fanboy had to concede defeat, roll stam and finally L2P which is btw more powerful in PvP then most if not all of the magicka based builds using the same effort and skill level.
Yes vigor in Cyrodill ticks for 3.5k on top of my other stam heals that does great damage and heal at the same time. Btw this is not even on a stamplar, some the heals would be even more on a stamplar. I honestly feel like there should be no debate on the matter, that in PvP with equal numbers, skill level, and effort, stamina is just beyond heads and shoulders above magicka atm.
Not to mention Major Evasion not being effective at all by the pvp debuff, like shields are despite being way more overpowered at many times then not in my opinion. Nothing like being to evade 4 big huge attacks after getting bursted down to less then 2k health only to finally burn thru a magicka based player's stam pool, CC, and win. MagKnight tanks yall do not apply here.
My conclusion is Vigor alone not OP at all. However mix Vigor with all of the extra benifits stamina has access to that magicka doesn't, make it stand out when they attack and heal while evading your damage while doing big burst damage with one skill and abunch of proc sets. GG, that's all I have to say on this tread, on the matter.
...What are the extra benefits stamina get that magicka doesn't? Malubeth? Both. Vitality pots? Both. Major Mending? Both (class based). Major Evasion? Both. Dodge roll? Mainly stamina. Shields? Mainly magicka. For the love of Sithis, spare me the list of magicka abilities that allow you to heal yourself while dealing damage - not everyone is a stam sorc with Surge.
If you have trouble sustaining your stamina, CC immunity pots. Sword & board. Heavy armor. Stamina stealing enchants & poisons.
Both magicka and stamina can be strong in the right hands. I dislike proc sets in PvP just as much as the next guy, but be real for a minute.
Stamina gets a utility resource pool that they can't spend on what ever they want. They can't spend all their magicka on skills such as cc's , buff's, turn it into stamina etc...
Where as a magicka user can't do this, they can't use their stamina for utility because they need to carefully manage that as well otherwise it's instant death.
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doesn't seem right that a heal that isn't class-based and doesn't need a specific weapon equipped to use can be stronger than one that does.. but then, when you look at shields vs dodge/block/high mitigatgion.. self heals do need to be different.
I just don't like that on the one side, you're confined to equipping a specific weapon. But then again, how many stam builds use 2-h purely for rally..?
if not rally in 2h then every stam build will prefer to run bow and dual but now almost every stam build is forced to use 2h only for this rally..
now to vigor...im playing stamblade, have around 10%+ into healinfg from cp, im in madium armor and on pvp dont have full 2k vigor ticks on crit, with noncrit under 1k...
now go on stamplar or stamdk who have acces to major mending + as dk its 99% heavy armor scrub and then his heals from vigor can be 3-4k+ just because he is dk.
vigorn instance tick heals are only on stamdk...you will dont see on any other stam class that huge vigor heals, only templar can catch up this dk with major mending but templar on stamina on pvp is very rarely to see.
sorc on stamina have better heals from dakr deal then vigor without this major mendingm NB is forced to use not always working cloak while vigor healing to not spam dodge to not get any damage while vigor active and is forced to use rally heal while dk can just *** 2h with rally and have 2x s&b or with bow while vigor whit all other buffs + block is working very good without this damn rally0 -
Zordrage✭✭✭✭✭And im here with my 500 ticks on vigor on a stam dk while desperatly trying to survive 4-7 k dmg spams from NBs......1