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Magicka Nightblade buff
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Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭if you think i am wrong prove it. prove to me how a destro staff that requires a heavy attack between every skill, and an occassional 2 heavy attacks in a row to support a 3 enchant spell power + pure spell power/max magicka focused gear such as tbs, julianos, kagrenacs, scathing mage, ect ect gives, combined with 3p willpower, maelstrom staff and a monster set would beat out any combination of kagrenacs, tbs, julianos, scathing mage, spc sets on a dw bar with monster set when dw can implement 2 cost reduction enchants instead of spell power and still have as much sp if not slightly more then a destro staff, while utilizing 2 5p sets and a monster set vs 1 5p set and 1 monster set. on top of which with the cost reduction enchants i also have sustained single target dps and can maintain aoe for up to 60s without external or skill based return of magicka. whereas destro staff with all spell power enchants maybe gets 20s of aoe, and maybe 30-40s of single target with weaker damage from same skills or using lower damage, higher cost skills.
nightblade for example though with 2715 sp dw (2 cost reduction enchants instead of spellpower) + 45k max magicka equals 9100 damage from funnel health. vs 2765 + 2630 +2630 from fp on a dw bar (which is roughly 430 sp higher then a destro staff) which a destro staff does about 400 less damage per tick of fp then dw tooltip shows. and also has much higher cost of skills. so enlighten me. where does a destro staff get the power that a dw siphon nb dont have? aoe? sap essence blows impulse or whatever morph you use out of the water by doing all damage immediately not half up front half over 8s and even with that it still does less total damage then sap essence. and on top of sap essence doing more damage then destro aoe, it heals team. meaning i am much better off having a bar with dw with magicka detonation, sap essence, teleport strike, path of darkness morphed for whichever you prefer more damage or healing, inner light and either meteor or assassin ult (i prefer meteor as i prefer not to have to swap bars after m. det to cast meteor and then swap right back for teleport strike) for mobs and then funnel health, entropy, crippling grasp, impale, inner light and whichever of the 2 ults you dont have on aoe bar for single target dps
oh my you so got me, i actually use actual proof and all you can say is so much bad? really dude if its so bad give PROOF. SHOW THE MATH THAT SHOWS SOMETHING IS BETTER. SHOW HOW RUNNING THIS SET PLUS THIS SET GRANTS A HIDDEN SPELL POWER BUFF OF 1000 OVER RUNNING DW or grants a 5000 damage boost for using destro staff skill over using class skills. if you cannot do that you are nothing but a ...
vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/a/a9/PaintedTroll.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110621230517
It's not proof , it's nonsense. We used proof and logic to explain, that attack weaving increases DPS and gives you ulti regen. And using ulti is definitely increasing DPS. And please, wtf is that first paragraph? What heavy attack between each skill? What 2 heavy attacks in a row? No one needs to do that, did you invent it or where did it come from? Light or medium attack weaving is what people use. DW has higher spell power, not DPS.
Oh, and if you want to post screenshots, how about you post your DPS screenshot instead of some irrelevant pics?@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
ARE YOU DRUNK?? Wtf are you saying? No one would use a fully charged heavy attack. You use force pulse with an animation-canceled light or medium attack. Both those things will give you magicka back because the target will have elemental drain applied AND you will have sipnoning attacks proccing often (because FP counts as 3 hits).
But yes, @AzuraKin not afraid someone will take you up on your word in the second paragraph here? You can match stats? Good for you. Can you match the DPS? Post 30k DPS self-buffed on the bloodspawn please. People asked you many times. I asked you at least twice. Are you gonna keep ignoring me? That's rude.
Your attempt of sarcasm is not relevant here. You are terrible because what you are saying is nonsense. Can you back it up with a screenshot? People asked you multiple times already. STOP EXCUSES, POST a freaking screenshot. We don't need your essay. It's like my students - when they need to say how 2 numbers are compared, I tell them not write essays,. they need to find the percent difference or show that the numbers are within 3 standard deviations from each other.yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use
So once again. STOP WITH YOUR ESSAYS. PROVE that your dps is high.rofl for a nb you have to start with entropy in single target, getting your buffs up and your dots up is important. now aoe is a bit different, aoe you lead with detonation then meteor if you dropping your ult, then teleport strike, then sap essence till det goes off then reapply det and continue sap essence for really large mobs (smaller groups of mobs should be dead about time det goes off.
SO bad, I can't even. Yeah you start with entropy if you are playing solo and are poor and can't use potions. In trials you have to run potions and entropy is a waste of slot. The dps is so weak, there are better dots one can use in its place.
not true, spell power potions havent been needed since 1.6 update. and for any melee type dps whether its physical or magickal you need a gap closer and unless you are a sorc or templar, you should be close quarters on mobs.
In a dictionary, next to the word "noob" , they have a picture of you.Edited by Artis on December 5, 2016 10:09PM1 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭if you think i am wrong prove it. prove to me how a destro staff that requires a heavy attack between every skill, and an occassional 2 heavy attacks in a row to support a 3 enchant spell power + pure spell power/max magicka focused gear such as tbs, julianos, kagrenacs, scathing mage, ect ect gives, combined with 3p willpower, maelstrom staff and a monster set would beat out any combination of kagrenacs, tbs, julianos, scathing mage, spc sets on a dw bar with monster set when dw can implement 2 cost reduction enchants instead of spell power and still have as much sp if not slightly more then a destro staff, while utilizing 2 5p sets and a monster set vs 1 5p set and 1 monster set. on top of which with the cost reduction enchants i also have sustained single target dps and can maintain aoe for up to 60s without external or skill based return of magicka. whereas destro staff with all spell power enchants maybe gets 20s of aoe, and maybe 30-40s of single target with weaker damage from same skills or using lower damage, higher cost skills.
nightblade for example though with 2715 sp dw (2 cost reduction enchants instead of spellpower) + 45k max magicka equals 9100 damage from funnel health. vs 2765 + 2630 +2630 from fp on a dw bar (which is roughly 430 sp higher then a destro staff) which a destro staff does about 400 less damage per tick of fp then dw tooltip shows. and also has much higher cost of skills. so enlighten me. where does a destro staff get the power that a dw siphon nb dont have? aoe? sap essence blows impulse or whatever morph you use out of the water by doing all damage immediately not half up front half over 8s and even with that it still does less total damage then sap essence. and on top of sap essence doing more damage then destro aoe, it heals team. meaning i am much better off having a bar with dw with magicka detonation, sap essence, teleport strike, path of darkness morphed for whichever you prefer more damage or healing, inner light and either meteor or assassin ult (i prefer meteor as i prefer not to have to swap bars after m. det to cast meteor and then swap right back for teleport strike) for mobs and then funnel health, entropy, crippling grasp, impale, inner light and whichever of the 2 ults you dont have on aoe bar for single target dps
oh my you so got me, i actually use actual proof and all you can say is so much bad? really dude if its so bad give PROOF. SHOW THE MATH THAT SHOWS SOMETHING IS BETTER. SHOW HOW RUNNING THIS SET PLUS THIS SET GRANTS A HIDDEN SPELL POWER BUFF OF 1000 OVER RUNNING DW or grants a 5000 damage boost for using destro staff skill over using class skills. if you cannot do that you are nothing but a ...
vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/a/a9/PaintedTroll.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110621230517
It's not proof , it's nonsense. We used proof and logic to explain, that attack weaving increases DPS and gives you ulti regen. And using ulti is definitely increasing DPS. And please, wtf is that first paragraph? What heavy attack between each skill? What 2 heavy attacks in a row? No one needs to do that, did you invent it or where did it come from? Light or medium attack weaving is what people use. DW has higher spell power, not DPS.
Oh, and if you want to post screenshots, how about you post your DPS screenshot instead of some irrelevant pics?@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
ARE YOU DRUNK?? Wtf are you saying? No one would use a fully charged heavy attack. You use force pulse with an animation-canceled light or medium attack. Both those things will give you magicka back because the target will have elemental drain applied AND you will have sipnoning attacks proccing often (because FP counts as 3 hits).
But yes, @AzuraKin not afraid someone will take you up on your word in the second paragraph here? You can match stats? Good for you. Can you match the DPS? Post 30k DPS self-buffed on the bloodspawn please. People asked you many times. I asked you at least twice. Are you gonna keep ignoring me? That's rude.
Your attempt of sarcasm is not relevant here. You are terrible because what you are saying is nonsense. Can you back it up with a screenshot? People asked you multiple times already. STOP EXCUSES, POST a freaking screenshot. We don't need your essay. It's like my students - when they need to say how 2 numbers are compared, I tell them not write essays,. they need to find the percent difference or show that the numbers are within 3 standard deviations from each other.yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use
So once again. STOP WITH YOUR ESSAYS. PROVE that your dps is high.rofl for a nb you have to start with entropy in single target, getting your buffs up and your dots up is important. now aoe is a bit different, aoe you lead with detonation then meteor if you dropping your ult, then teleport strike, then sap essence till det goes off then reapply det and continue sap essence for really large mobs (smaller groups of mobs should be dead about time det goes off.
SO bad, I can't even. Yeah you start with entropy if you are playing solo and are poor and can't use potions. In trials you have to run potions and entropy is a waste of slot. The dps is so weak, there are better dots one can use in its place.
not true, spell power potions havent been needed since 1.6 update. and for any melee type dps whether its physical or magickal you need a gap closer and unless you are a sorc or templar, you should be close quarters on mobs.
In a dictionary, next to the word "noob" , they have a picture of you.
Daum....Artis brought the Rekt!1 -
Attackopsn✭✭✭✭✭Idk why you wrote all that he's just going to come back and tell you something along the lines of "Next you're going to tell me you don't maintain scalding rune in your rotation".Its a trend with people who seem to have a weak understanding of how these metas work and develop per major patch. They pretend to observe an imaginary fundamental flaw in the meta that they don't really understand. Then they use a poorly constructed argument to present their idea. Right now, we have someone who believes that they do more dps with funnel spam on a dw bar, and entropy. They believe this because they have higher tool tips with the dual wield and do not know any variation of a competitive PvE mnb rotation.
Bottom line, they aren't really concerned with the topic, they do not understand the topic, and seem to be more concerned with self promotion than being constructive within the topic as strange as it is considering the things that were said. Hopefully if a developer actually reads any of this they see the constructive comments and not the highly off topic and/or misinformed ones.
Sorry to contribute to those too by posting thisEdited by Attackopsn on December 5, 2016 10:55PMign: ATTACKO
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Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Wasn't this thread about possible ideas for NB buffs?
What happened to that?Argonian forever3 -
AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭if you think i am wrong prove it. prove to me how a destro staff that requires a heavy attack between every skill, and an occassional 2 heavy attacks in a row to support a 3 enchant spell power + pure spell power/max magicka focused gear such as tbs, julianos, kagrenacs, scathing mage, ect ect gives, combined with 3p willpower, maelstrom staff and a monster set would beat out any combination of kagrenacs, tbs, julianos, scathing mage, spc sets on a dw bar with monster set when dw can implement 2 cost reduction enchants instead of spell power and still have as much sp if not slightly more then a destro staff, while utilizing 2 5p sets and a monster set vs 1 5p set and 1 monster set. on top of which with the cost reduction enchants i also have sustained single target dps and can maintain aoe for up to 60s without external or skill based return of magicka. whereas destro staff with all spell power enchants maybe gets 20s of aoe, and maybe 30-40s of single target with weaker damage from same skills or using lower damage, higher cost skills.
nightblade for example though with 2715 sp dw (2 cost reduction enchants instead of spellpower) + 45k max magicka equals 9100 damage from funnel health. vs 2765 + 2630 +2630 from fp on a dw bar (which is roughly 430 sp higher then a destro staff) which a destro staff does about 400 less damage per tick of fp then dw tooltip shows. and also has much higher cost of skills. so enlighten me. where does a destro staff get the power that a dw siphon nb dont have? aoe? sap essence blows impulse or whatever morph you use out of the water by doing all damage immediately not half up front half over 8s and even with that it still does less total damage then sap essence. and on top of sap essence doing more damage then destro aoe, it heals team. meaning i am much better off having a bar with dw with magicka detonation, sap essence, teleport strike, path of darkness morphed for whichever you prefer more damage or healing, inner light and either meteor or assassin ult (i prefer meteor as i prefer not to have to swap bars after m. det to cast meteor and then swap right back for teleport strike) for mobs and then funnel health, entropy, crippling grasp, impale, inner light and whichever of the 2 ults you dont have on aoe bar for single target dps
oh my you so got me, i actually use actual proof and all you can say is so much bad? really dude if its so bad give PROOF. SHOW THE MATH THAT SHOWS SOMETHING IS BETTER. SHOW HOW RUNNING THIS SET PLUS THIS SET GRANTS A HIDDEN SPELL POWER BUFF OF 1000 OVER RUNNING DW or grants a 5000 damage boost for using destro staff skill over using class skills. if you cannot do that you are nothing but a ...
vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/a/a9/PaintedTroll.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110621230517
It's not proof , it's nonsense. We used proof and logic to explain, that attack weaving increases DPS and gives you ulti regen. And using ulti is definitely increasing DPS. And please, wtf is that first paragraph? What heavy attack between each skill? What 2 heavy attacks in a row? No one needs to do that, did you invent it or where did it come from? Light or medium attack weaving is what people use. DW has higher spell power, not DPS.
Oh, and if you want to post screenshots, how about you post your DPS screenshot instead of some irrelevant pics?@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
ARE YOU DRUNK?? Wtf are you saying? No one would use a fully charged heavy attack. You use force pulse with an animation-canceled light or medium attack. Both those things will give you magicka back because the target will have elemental drain applied AND you will have sipnoning attacks proccing often (because FP counts as 3 hits).
But yes, @AzuraKin not afraid someone will take you up on your word in the second paragraph here? You can match stats? Good for you. Can you match the DPS? Post 30k DPS self-buffed on the bloodspawn please. People asked you many times. I asked you at least twice. Are you gonna keep ignoring me? That's rude.
Your attempt of sarcasm is not relevant here. You are terrible because what you are saying is nonsense. Can you back it up with a screenshot? People asked you multiple times already. STOP EXCUSES, POST a freaking screenshot. We don't need your essay. It's like my students - when they need to say how 2 numbers are compared, I tell them not write essays,. they need to find the percent difference or show that the numbers are within 3 standard deviations from each other.yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use
So once again. STOP WITH YOUR ESSAYS. PROVE that your dps is high.rofl for a nb you have to start with entropy in single target, getting your buffs up and your dots up is important. now aoe is a bit different, aoe you lead with detonation then meteor if you dropping your ult, then teleport strike, then sap essence till det goes off then reapply det and continue sap essence for really large mobs (smaller groups of mobs should be dead about time det goes off.
SO bad, I can't even. Yeah you start with entropy if you are playing solo and are poor and can't use potions. In trials you have to run potions and entropy is a waste of slot. The dps is so weak, there are better dots one can use in its place.
not true, spell power potions havent been needed since 1.6 update. and for any melee type dps whether its physical or magickal you need a gap closer and unless you are a sorc or templar, you should be close quarters on mobs.
In a dictionary, next to the word "noob" , they have a picture of you.
first of all you have never proved anything. the words you are wrong or you are stupid or you dont know what your talking about is neither proof that i am wrong or proving i am wrong. lay out the math that shows something is better. show me something i am missing in my formulas, or a gear set that magickally does significantly more damage then what i am using. cause you cannot. that why you havent laid out anything other then to tell me i am wrong.
and i dont need to prove anything. you are the one who is claiming i am wrong. the burdon of proof is on you to prove me wrong not on me to prove me right.
and fp plus light/med attack keeping magicka up with elemental drain? rofl at 1600 regen you cannot keep magicka pool up with elemental dragin using fp + light/medium attack. for one thing hitting it with fp and light/medium attack does not proc it 4 times it only procs it one time.
and finally what dots are better? path of darkness with its limited range and requirement nothing you want to hit moves? and the same with wall of elements? and destructive touch does less then entropy thanks to the difference of spell power from dw. so finally there is only one other dot for nb's and that is already on bar.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭if you think i am wrong prove it. prove to me how a destro staff that requires a heavy attack between every skill, and an occassional 2 heavy attacks in a row to support a 3 enchant spell power + pure spell power/max magicka focused gear such as tbs, julianos, kagrenacs, scathing mage, ect ect gives, combined with 3p willpower, maelstrom staff and a monster set would beat out any combination of kagrenacs, tbs, julianos, scathing mage, spc sets on a dw bar with monster set when dw can implement 2 cost reduction enchants instead of spell power and still have as much sp if not slightly more then a destro staff, while utilizing 2 5p sets and a monster set vs 1 5p set and 1 monster set. on top of which with the cost reduction enchants i also have sustained single target dps and can maintain aoe for up to 60s without external or skill based return of magicka. whereas destro staff with all spell power enchants maybe gets 20s of aoe, and maybe 30-40s of single target with weaker damage from same skills or using lower damage, higher cost skills.
nightblade for example though with 2715 sp dw (2 cost reduction enchants instead of spellpower) + 45k max magicka equals 9100 damage from funnel health. vs 2765 + 2630 +2630 from fp on a dw bar (which is roughly 430 sp higher then a destro staff) which a destro staff does about 400 less damage per tick of fp then dw tooltip shows. and also has much higher cost of skills. so enlighten me. where does a destro staff get the power that a dw siphon nb dont have? aoe? sap essence blows impulse or whatever morph you use out of the water by doing all damage immediately not half up front half over 8s and even with that it still does less total damage then sap essence. and on top of sap essence doing more damage then destro aoe, it heals team. meaning i am much better off having a bar with dw with magicka detonation, sap essence, teleport strike, path of darkness morphed for whichever you prefer more damage or healing, inner light and either meteor or assassin ult (i prefer meteor as i prefer not to have to swap bars after m. det to cast meteor and then swap right back for teleport strike) for mobs and then funnel health, entropy, crippling grasp, impale, inner light and whichever of the 2 ults you dont have on aoe bar for single target dps
oh my you so got me, i actually use actual proof and all you can say is so much bad? really dude if its so bad give PROOF. SHOW THE MATH THAT SHOWS SOMETHING IS BETTER. SHOW HOW RUNNING THIS SET PLUS THIS SET GRANTS A HIDDEN SPELL POWER BUFF OF 1000 OVER RUNNING DW or grants a 5000 damage boost for using destro staff skill over using class skills. if you cannot do that you are nothing but a ...
vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/a/a9/PaintedTroll.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110621230517
It's not proof , it's nonsense. We used proof and logic to explain, that attack weaving increases DPS and gives you ulti regen. And using ulti is definitely increasing DPS. And please, wtf is that first paragraph? What heavy attack between each skill? What 2 heavy attacks in a row? No one needs to do that, did you invent it or where did it come from? Light or medium attack weaving is what people use. DW has higher spell power, not DPS.
Oh, and if you want to post screenshots, how about you post your DPS screenshot instead of some irrelevant pics?@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
ARE YOU DRUNK?? Wtf are you saying? No one would use a fully charged heavy attack. You use force pulse with an animation-canceled light or medium attack. Both those things will give you magicka back because the target will have elemental drain applied AND you will have sipnoning attacks proccing often (because FP counts as 3 hits).
But yes, @AzuraKin not afraid someone will take you up on your word in the second paragraph here? You can match stats? Good for you. Can you match the DPS? Post 30k DPS self-buffed on the bloodspawn please. People asked you many times. I asked you at least twice. Are you gonna keep ignoring me? That's rude.
Your attempt of sarcasm is not relevant here. You are terrible because what you are saying is nonsense. Can you back it up with a screenshot? People asked you multiple times already. STOP EXCUSES, POST a freaking screenshot. We don't need your essay. It's like my students - when they need to say how 2 numbers are compared, I tell them not write essays,. they need to find the percent difference or show that the numbers are within 3 standard deviations from each other.yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use
So once again. STOP WITH YOUR ESSAYS. PROVE that your dps is high.rofl for a nb you have to start with entropy in single target, getting your buffs up and your dots up is important. now aoe is a bit different, aoe you lead with detonation then meteor if you dropping your ult, then teleport strike, then sap essence till det goes off then reapply det and continue sap essence for really large mobs (smaller groups of mobs should be dead about time det goes off.
SO bad, I can't even. Yeah you start with entropy if you are playing solo and are poor and can't use potions. In trials you have to run potions and entropy is a waste of slot. The dps is so weak, there are better dots one can use in its place.
not true, spell power potions havent been needed since 1.6 update. and for any melee type dps whether its physical or magickal you need a gap closer and unless you are a sorc or templar, you should be close quarters on mobs.
In a dictionary, next to the word "noob" , they have a picture of you.
first of all you have never proved anything. the words you are wrong or you are stupid or you dont know what your talking about is neither proof that i am wrong or proving i am wrong. lay out the math that shows something is better. show me something i am missing in my formulas, or a gear set that magickally does significantly more damage then what i am using. cause you cannot. that why you havent laid out anything other then to tell me i am wrong.
and i dont need to prove anything. you are the one who is claiming i am wrong. the burdon of proof is on you to prove me wrong not on me to prove me right.
and fp plus light/med attack keeping magicka up with elemental drain? rofl at 1600 regen you cannot keep magicka pool up with elemental dragin using fp + light/medium attack. for one thing hitting it with fp and light/medium attack does not proc it 4 times it only procs it one time.
and finally what dots are better? path of darkness with its limited range and requirement nothing you want to hit moves? and the same with wall of elements? and destructive touch does less then entropy thanks to the difference of spell power from dw. so finally there is only one other dot for nb's and that is already on bar.
Cutie pie parses or gtfo...also werent you the one claiming DW>Staff so isn't the burden of proof on you?0 -
JDar✭✭✭✭✭Magblade is fine in PvP. I make people look stupid in PvP all the time. I can do all the pledges just fine. If there is a PvE deficiency in the class on trials and VMA, then I feel like that's more of a magicka/stamina balance problem.Edited by JDar on December 6, 2016 7:12AM0
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭D * nC + cD * C
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/ T) * (R% - P%) = dps
100
where D = total damage done over 1 rotation
where cD = total damage * by crit damage modifier
where C = critical chance as a whole number
where nC = noncritical chance as a whole number
where T = Time to complete rotation
where R% = monsters penetration as a percentage
where P% = player penetration as a percentage
where my rotation for single target dps is (assuming ultimate is up) entropy + meteor + crippling grasp + funnel health *5 + entropy + funnel health * 7 (16s rotation) any further battle time is same as above just without meteor so add + 1 funnel health. this does maximum ranged damage on bosses (prefered in trials as in trials you are often spread out) only way to improve this would be to swap funnel health for concealed strike which is limited to 5m thus turning oneself into melee and there already normally 3-4 dw melees in group which for melee, you have an issue where if its a boss that moves around like the warrior does, you will lose dps over ranged dps)
thats the formula for dps. you can calculate it by hand, or you can go test it on a boss. just be sure you include any team buffs in groups.Edited by AzuraKin on December 6, 2016 7:16AMv160 spellsword (nightblade)
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✭✭✭Lets make Merciless resolve a toggle! Give magicka NB (the lowest endgame, meta trial/pve dps class/style)
This would bring Magicka NB up to par with Magicka Sorcs without overpowering this class in every other scenario.
The logic behind this is that Magicka NBs require a perfect rotation to have competitive DPS in EVERYTHING; wheras being a sorc / templar dps for example is a little more forgiving if you're not keeping your rotation at 100% efficiency.
Please please please
The buff should be a passive for all magicka NB's when the skill is slotted and the skill itself should be a spammable arrow around 8-10k magic damage which costs 1500 magicka to cast.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Lets make Merciless resolve a toggle! Give magicka NB (the lowest endgame, meta trial/pve dps class/style)
This would bring Magicka NB up to par with Magicka Sorcs without overpowering this class in every other scenario.
The logic behind this is that Magicka NBs require a perfect rotation to have competitive DPS in EVERYTHING; wheras being a sorc / templar dps for example is a little more forgiving if you're not keeping your rotation at 100% efficiency.
Please please please
The buff should be a passive for all magicka NB's when the skill is slotted and the skill itself should be a spammable arrow around 8-10k magic damage which costs 1500 magicka to cast.
you do realize merciless resolve for the buff is pointless as restro healers run combat prayer which grant the buff already.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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Except that's not true. In a controlled environment such as ESO, which can be translated to the real world, there is definitely the possibility to make several things equally good and the 'best' option would be one that suits you best.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
My point was that there should never be a single best setup. Lost in translation I guess!hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
In real life there can be several ways to get the same results. The fact that as you say there's only a single way to get the best results speaks for the lack of depth and diversity when it comes to builds. A good game would allow more than a single setup to achieve the best results and the player can choose what fits her or him best.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
Every raider worth his salt runs a meta spec
It really isn't ridiculous.
Running a meta build means there's only one (maybe two) way(s) to compete effectively. The fact that the term "meta" even applies in ESO means classes are lacking effective build diversity. No one should be forced into the meta in order to compete. Period. Yet, they still are forced into it. Why? Because the class isn't strong in general. It's only strong utilizing a specific setup.
Like I said before, if I have to use a specific setup/build for my class to be strong, my class isn't strong.
Youre incorrect there are multiple way to do ok dps, but there is onky one way to do best dps, this is not a bug or an issue this is how things work IRL because it makes sense....not sure what you mean at all...
Im not sure you udnerstood what I was saying. Let me make it clear - a boss has 5 million health. You have 4 players all very good at awareness and mechanics with a full healer full tank and 2 dps each pulling 25k. They kill the boss in 100 seconds. You have another group 4 players 1 full tank 1 dps with an offheal who pulls 10k and 2 dps pulling 25k each. The fight now takes 83 seconds. The end result is the same the boss is dead, but the fight is shorter.l, meaning it is a preferable option. So yes there are multiple ways to get the job done but some are better than others.
But thats not how the world works...something is always the best...if there is a scale which quanitifes something then there will always be the best whatever it may be..0 -
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✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »Lets make Merciless resolve a toggle! Give magicka NB (the lowest endgame, meta trial/pve dps class/style)
This would bring Magicka NB up to par with Magicka Sorcs without overpowering this class in every other scenario.
The logic behind this is that Magicka NBs require a perfect rotation to have competitive DPS in EVERYTHING; wheras being a sorc / templar dps for example is a little more forgiving if you're not keeping your rotation at 100% efficiency.
Please please please
The buff should be a passive for all magicka NB's when the skill is slotted and the skill itself should be a spammable arrow around 8-10k magic damage which costs 1500 magicka to cast.
you do realize merciless resolve for the buff is pointless as restro healers run combat prayer which grant the buff already.
I solo a lot
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first of all you have never proved anything. the words you are wrong or you are stupid or you dont know what your talking about is neither proof that i am wrong or proving i am wrong. lay out the math that shows something is better. show me something i am missing in my formulas, or a gear set that magickally does significantly more damage then what i am using. cause you cannot. that why you havent laid out anything other then to tell me i am wrong.
and i dont need to prove anything. you are the one who is claiming i am wrong. the burdon of proof is on you to prove me wrong not on me to prove me right.
and fp plus light/med attack keeping magicka up with elemental drain? rofl at 1600 regen you cannot keep magicka pool up with elemental dragin using fp + light/medium attack. for one thing hitting it with fp and light/medium attack does not proc it 4 times it only procs it one time.
and finally what dots are better? path of darkness with its limited range and requirement nothing you want to hit moves? and the same with wall of elements? and destructive touch does less then entropy thanks to the difference of spell power from dw. so finally there is only one other dot for nb's and that is already on bar.
First of all, you didn't show any formulas. Just your essays, nonsensical walls of text.
Second of all, if I can't keep magicka pool up with ele drain and FP+attacks, then how the heck do I do it EVERY DAY? Am I doing the impossible? Or maybe it's not impossible if I'm doing it? Where do you play? NA PC? We can easily compare DPS and you'll that your "formulas" are plain wrong. I don't need to go through your walls of nonsense. I can just prove it to you EXPERIMENTALLY. And as everyone knows, formulas are nothing if they dont' describe reality.
Or maybe you will prove that all of us were wrong. But see - I doubt it. You STILL have guts to say something instead of posting screenshots! JUST PROVE YOUR WORDS. SHOW US THE DPS.
Yes, there are better dots. Path of darkness is much better. It deals more damage to 1 target, but it's also and AOE so deals WAY more damage overall. Wall of elements is better. All dots you listed are better. Add scalding rune to the list. And nothing you want to hit should be moving ever unless it's a phase of a fight where you move or your tanks is bad. Lol wtf?no it doesn't do less "Thanks to the difference of spell power". Are you slow or something? First of all, you can use destructive touch with dw... Secondly, destro staff skills ignore 10% spell penetration. You won't see it on a tooltip, you need to hit a target to see the difference.D * nC + cD * C
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/ T) * (R% - P%) = dps
100
where D = total damage done over 1 rotation
where cD = total damage * by crit damage modifier
where C = critical chance as a whole number
where nC = noncritical chance as a whole number
where T = Time to complete rotation
where R% = monsters penetration as a percentage
where P% = player penetration as a percentage
where my rotation for single target dps is (assuming ultimate is up) entropy + meteor + crippling grasp + funnel health *5 + entropy + funnel health * 7 (16s rotation) any further battle time is same as above just without meteor so add + 1 funnel health. this does maximum ranged damage on bosses (prefered in trials as in trials you are often spread out) only way to improve this would be to swap funnel health for concealed strike which is limited to 5m thus turning oneself into melee and there already normally 3-4 dw melees in group which for melee, you have an issue where if its a boss that moves around like the warrior does, you will lose dps over ranged dps)
thats the formula for dps. you can calculate it by hand, or you can go test it on a boss. just be sure you include any team buffs in groups.
Work on format. This is unreadable. But there's a lot of questions already.
1. Why do you count damage twice. You said D was total damage, yet you multiply it by something and then add something to it. This is wrong. If anything, that formula is something like D*(1+x*(y-1)), where D is raw damage, x - chance of crit, y - damage multiplier. Also, why do you multiply crit damage by the crit chance and non crit damage by the chance of no crit? Oh, also nC+C=1, so wtf wouldn't you finish your "formula" first? Do you even math?
2. If you multiply by resistance, then obviously the greater it is the greater will be your result. Which makes no sense and is the opposite of true. If I fix all the values and will increase R% - the dps will increase according to your formula. Which means the higher the resistance, the higher the DPS, which is obviously wrong. Similarly, if I fix all the values and will decrease P%, the answer will increase, which means the lower the penetration the greater the DPS (everything else being equal), which again makes absolutely no sense AND doesn't agree with the experiment. You can't have resistance in the numerator, not with a "+" at least (that was a hint). Your formula is completely wrong already because of that.
3. Did you check the formula experimentally to make sure it's right. I already know the answer, but if you suddenly did - then you should have data and screenshots. Post them and prove your formula.
If you make an affirmative claim (such as "This formula works"), the burden of proof lies on you. You have to show us that your formula is right. We don't have to do anything to show your formula is wrong. That's not how debates work, buddy. Otherwise some *** could say - hey prove that invisible unicorns don't exist, just prove it! and he wouldnt' be laughed at. Which, as you understand, is not the case.
Once again, let's check your formula. Someone will tell you their stats and you will predict the numbers with your "formula". Will you shut up when you see it's wrong?Edited by Artis on December 6, 2016 9:38AM0 -
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This is an older image, but an unbuffed Bloodspawn parse. I'm not at home otherwise I would post something more recent.
http://imgur.com/bWLa78i
As you can see, my weaves accounted for 16% of the dps... and as for Merciless not needed? That was another 9% of the dps. Reading this thread has been a great laugh that is for sure.
MagBlades fully buffed in trials are getting 40K+
This issue seems to be a lack of knowledge on your part. I'll let the parse speak for itself.Server: PC - North America - Daggerfall/Ebonheart
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This is an older image, but an unbuffed Bloodspawn parse. I'm not at home otherwise I would post something more recent.
http://imgur.com/bWLa78i
As you can see, my weaves accounted for 16% of the dps... and as for Merciless not needed? That was another 9% of the dps. Reading this thread has been a great laugh that is for sure.
MagBlades fully buffed in trials are getting 40K+
This issue seems to be a lack of knowledge on your part. I'll let the parse speak for itself.
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