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Magicka Nightblade buff
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Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 battlemage (sorcerer)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 warrior (DragonKnight)
v160 assassin (nightblade)
v160 swordsman (sorcerer)
v160 spellsword (nightblade)0 -
Asmael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
Poke @AsmaeI (last letter is uppercase "i") on PC EU or Asmael#9325 on Discord and receive a meow today.1 -
AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
the difference between what i run and what i hit with destro staff is over 12k differential in favoer of my dw set up. the point is, you tellign me i am wrong, yet repeatedly you have failed to prove that i am wrong. i know how much the drop of spell power + the drop in actual damage from using any destro skill over using my set up = a loss in damage and a complete drop in team support via healing. in fact the only part of my build right now that is messed up is literally funnel health is broken and does not heal 25% of critical hits as it is suppose to. that is the only thing and the only thing it messes up is my healing potential.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 battlemage (sorcerer)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 warrior (DragonKnight)
v160 assassin (nightblade)
v160 swordsman (sorcerer)
v160 spellsword (nightblade)0 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Shader_Shibes wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »
rofl destro staff does nothing to add to dps only takes it away. heavy attack from destro staff 1.8s to charge and is needed for sustainability of fp. funnel health on the other hand you have sustainability from just 2 cost redcution enchants still higher sp then destro staff and the difference funnel health makes over fp more then makes up for the ~700 damage i lose on a destro light attack. on top of that funnel health heals team (i have healed trials as 1 of only 2 healers with this very setup) and fyi that dw set up is my pre 1t build. once i get shoulders i will be even stronger without giving up sp, max magicka or sustain.
OMG, too funny!
if you think i am wrong prove it. prove to me how a destro staff that requires a heavy attack between every skill, and an occassional 2 heavy attacks in a row to support a 3 enchant spell power + pure spell power/max magicka focused gear such as tbs, julianos, kagrenacs, scathing mage, ect ect gives, combined with 3p willpower, maelstrom staff and a monster set would beat out any combination of kagrenacs, tbs, julianos, scathing mage, spc sets on a dw bar with monster set when dw can implement 2 cost reduction enchants instead of spell power and still have as much sp if not slightly more then a destro staff, while utilizing 2 5p sets and a monster set vs 1 5p set and 1 monster set. on top of which with the cost reduction enchants i also have sustained single target dps and can maintain aoe for up to 60s without external or skill based return of magicka. whereas destro staff with all spell power enchants maybe gets 20s of aoe, and maybe 30-40s of single target with weaker damage from same skills or using lower damage, higher cost skills.
nightblade for example though with 2715 sp dw (2 cost reduction enchants instead of spellpower) + 45k max magicka equals 9100 damage from funnel health. vs 2765 + 2630 +2630 from fp on a dw bar (which is roughly 430 sp higher then a destro staff) which a destro staff does about 400 less damage per tick of fp then dw tooltip shows. and also has much higher cost of skills. so enlighten me. where does a destro staff get the power that a dw siphon nb dont have? aoe? sap essence blows impulse or whatever morph you use out of the water by doing all damage immediately not half up front half over 8s and even with that it still does less total damage then sap essence. and on top of sap essence doing more damage then destro aoe, it heals team. meaning i am much better off having a bar with dw with magicka detonation, sap essence, teleport strike, path of darkness morphed for whichever you prefer more damage or healing, inner light and either meteor or assassin ult (i prefer meteor as i prefer not to have to swap bars after m. det to cast meteor and then swap right back for teleport strike) for mobs and then funnel health, entropy, crippling grasp, impale, inner light and whichever of the 2 ults you dont have on aoe bar for single target dps.
So much bad
oh my you so got me, i actually use actual proof and all you can say is so much bad? really dude if its so bad give PROOF. SHOW THE MATH THAT SHOWS SOMETHING IS BETTER. SHOW HOW RUNNING THIS SET PLUS THIS SET GRANTS A HIDDEN SPELL POWER BUFF OF 1000 OVER RUNNING DW or grants a 5000 damage boost for using destro staff skill over using class skills. if you cannot do that you are nothing but a ...
All the competitive parses posted by every endgame player are with a staff, on the other hand there is you cutie pie. You, who in another post is making a laughable accusation that anyone pulling over 25k is animation canceling/cheating. There is just no reason to talk to you. So Ill say it again:"So much bad"Edited by hedna123b14_ESO on December 5, 2016 2:51PM0 -
Foxic✭✭✭✭✭@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I don't think we are going to change his mind...
He obviously doesn't have any parses and has no idea how high dps is actually achievedMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Even if the DPS from Magicka Melee would be on par with Stamina Melee, you would still lack the mobility and sustain that Stamina Melee has because that is the core of the issue between Magicka and Stamina, not DPS.0 -
AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 battlemage (sorcerer)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 warrior (DragonKnight)
v160 assassin (nightblade)
v160 swordsman (sorcerer)
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
You aren't calculating the considerable damage you get from light attacks. http://imgur.com/g8jehG6
Here they are 12.4% of my dpsMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
Darling Ill give you a clue...............................................................................................................weaves;)0 -
KingDuncanVII✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.Playstation 4 - North American Server - Aldmeri Dominion - Champion Rank 430
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
You aren't calculating the considerable damage you get from light attacks. http://imgur.com/g8jehG6
Here they are 12.4% of my dps
hello total damage done during rotation. you add it all in, if your rotation is entropy light attack crippling grasp light attack funnel health light attack repeat you would add 3 light attacks 1 funnel health 1 crippling grasp 1 entropy calculate the RMS which is the formula i described then divide that by the time. which would be 3s. there will be slight difference in what you calculate vs what dps counters do as dps coiunters do not calculate the first second into the calculations.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 battlemage (sorcerer)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 warrior (DragonKnight)
v160 assassin (nightblade)
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Attackopsn✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
You aren't calculating the considerable damage you get from light attacks. http://imgur.com/g8jehG6
Here they are 12.4% of my dps
hello total damage done during rotation. you add it all in, if your rotation is entropy light attack crippling grasp light attack funnel health light attack repeat you would add 3 light attacks 1 funnel health 1 crippling grasp 1 entropy calculate the RMS which is the formula i described then divide that by the time. which would be 3s. there will be slight difference in what you calculate vs what dps counters do as dps coiunters do not calculate the first second into the calculations.
One of those situations where you're trying to debate something that isn't really worth the time to debate. If your rotation on a PvE mgnb parces higher with dw for your main bar then your rotation is awfully misinformed. I'll give you a hint beginning with your using of entropy as a major sorcery buff in above rotation that this is certainly the caseEdited by Attackopsn on December 5, 2016 3:58PMign: ATTACKO
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
very true its why i run my own builds. always have always will. i like it that way. i feel you get more out of your build by studying how you play the toon and building for that rather then trying to copy someone ust cause they post a video of them doing something then saying i pull this much dps even though the ftc in the video says otherwise.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 battlemage (sorcerer)
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭Attackopsn wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
You aren't calculating the considerable damage you get from light attacks. http://imgur.com/g8jehG6
Here they are 12.4% of my dps
hello total damage done during rotation. you add it all in, if your rotation is entropy light attack crippling grasp light attack funnel health light attack repeat you would add 3 light attacks 1 funnel health 1 crippling grasp 1 entropy calculate the RMS which is the formula i described then divide that by the time. which would be 3s. there will be slight difference in what you calculate vs what dps counters do as dps coiunters do not calculate the first second into the calculations.
One of those situations where you're trying to debate something that isn't really worth the time to debate. If your rotation on a PvE mgnb parces higher with dw for your main bar then your rotation is awfully misinformed. I'll give you a hint beginning with your using of entropy as a major sorcery buff in above rotation that this is certainly the case
rofl for a nb you have to start with entropy in single target, getting your buffs up and your dots up is important. now aoe is a bit different, aoe you lead with detonation then meteor if you dropping your ult, then teleport strike, then sap essence till det goes off then reapply det and continue sap essence for really large mobs (smaller groups of mobs should be dead about time det goes off.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 battlemage (sorcerer)
v160 restoration archmage (Templar)
v160 warrior (DragonKnight)
v160 assassin (nightblade)
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Attackopsn✭✭✭✭✭Attackopsn wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
You aren't calculating the considerable damage you get from light attacks. http://imgur.com/g8jehG6
Here they are 12.4% of my dps
hello total damage done during rotation. you add it all in, if your rotation is entropy light attack crippling grasp light attack funnel health light attack repeat you would add 3 light attacks 1 funnel health 1 crippling grasp 1 entropy calculate the RMS which is the formula i described then divide that by the time. which would be 3s. there will be slight difference in what you calculate vs what dps counters do as dps coiunters do not calculate the first second into the calculations.
One of those situations where you're trying to debate something that isn't really worth the time to debate. If your rotation on a PvE mgnb parces higher with dw for your main bar then your rotation is awfully misinformed. I'll give you a hint beginning with your using of entropy as a major sorcery buff in above rotation that this is certainly the case
rofl for a nb you have to start with entropy in single target, getting your buffs up and your dots up is important. now aoe is a bit different, aoe you lead with detonation then meteor if you dropping your ult, then teleport strike, then sap essence till det goes off then reapply det and continue sap essence for really large mobs (smaller groups of mobs should be dead about time det goes off.
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Meld777✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
You aren't calculating the considerable damage you get from light attacks. http://imgur.com/g8jehG6
Here they are 12.4% of my dps
Damn, I opened that and first thing I did was I looked at the DPS, 44k+ single target. Damn! Then I realized it's a Sorc, not NB
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
You aren't calculating the considerable damage you get from light attacks. http://imgur.com/g8jehG6
Here they are 12.4% of my dps
Damn, I opened that and first thing I did was I looked at the DPS, 44k+ single target. Damn! Then I realized it's a Sorc, not NB
I'm pretty close to that on my magblade, and still relatively new to it. There were magblade in the mid 40s last patchMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭Attackopsn wrote: »Attackopsn wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
You aren't calculating the considerable damage you get from light attacks. http://imgur.com/g8jehG6
Here they are 12.4% of my dps
hello total damage done during rotation. you add it all in, if your rotation is entropy light attack crippling grasp light attack funnel health light attack repeat you would add 3 light attacks 1 funnel health 1 crippling grasp 1 entropy calculate the RMS which is the formula i described then divide that by the time. which would be 3s. there will be slight difference in what you calculate vs what dps counters do as dps coiunters do not calculate the first second into the calculations.
One of those situations where you're trying to debate something that isn't really worth the time to debate. If your rotation on a PvE mgnb parces higher with dw for your main bar then your rotation is awfully misinformed. I'll give you a hint beginning with your using of entropy as a major sorcery buff in above rotation that this is certainly the case
rofl for a nb you have to start with entropy in single target, getting your buffs up and your dots up is important. now aoe is a bit different, aoe you lead with detonation then meteor if you dropping your ult, then teleport strike, then sap essence till det goes off then reapply det and continue sap essence for really large mobs (smaller groups of mobs should be dead about time det goes off.
1. If you aren't using Spell Power Potions as a Magicka Dps you are not using a competitive rotation
2. If you used lotus fan in a serious situation within a raid group of a PvE setting you would probably be kicked unless this group was equally misinformed
not true, spell power potions havent been needed since 1.6 update. and for any melee type dps whether its physical or magickal you need a gap closer and unless you are a sorc or templar, you should be close quarters on mobs.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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KingDuncanVII✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
Every raider worth his salt runs a meta spec
It really isn't ridiculous.
Running a meta build means there's only one (maybe two) way(s) to compete effectively. The fact that the term "meta" even applies in ESO means classes are lacking effective build diversity. No one should be forced into the meta in order to compete. Period. Yet, they still are forced into it. Why? Because the class isn't strong in general. It's only strong utilizing a specific setup.
Like I said before, if I have to use a specific setup/build for my class to be strong, my class isn't strong.Playstation 4 - North American Server - Aldmeri Dominion - Champion Rank 430
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✭Attackopsn wrote: »Attackopsn wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »@AzuraKin Show some vMoL parses please.
I am by no mean a top mag NB, but DW front bar and a rotation made of mostly Funnel health belongs in normal dungeons.
right because you say so, funny a lot of people wanna tell me i am wrong, but they have yet to show any proof that i am wrong just words. for every spell power you get with destro staff i can match and exceed by over 400 with dw. for every point of magicka you have i can match with dw for every piece of crit and regen you have i can match with dw. on top of that though i do 5% extra damage because of dw on top of the extra spell power which means that by doing 2 funnel health i will always do more damage then your force pulse + fully charged heavy attack that you would need to cover and maintain your magicka pool which takes the same amount of time as both of my funnel health which means there is absolutely no way destro staff can beat dw nightblade siphon abilities.
Character sheets are absolutely irrelevant. You're taking a look at one stat and basically think it's the only tool to measure DPS when it's not. What's your critical damage? What's your critical chance? What's your CP distribution? What sets do you use?
Picking stam DK (since it's what I main), I have:
- TBS that doesn't show in the character sheet
- Kra'gh 1p & 2p that don't show in the character sheet
- 3p VO / Alkosh for Minor Slayer that doesn't in the character sheet
- Maelstrom weapons that doesn't show in the character sheet
Rocking less than 4k weapon damage with major + minor brutality and only 32k stamina, yet can make this kind of parse:
So let me reiterate: Where are your parses? Why do you think that using destro staff means you have to use heavy attacks, that you have sustain issues in trials when there's Elemental drain and Siphon spirit, and that light attacks from a destro staff can't make for about 20% of your DPS when they do?
I wouldnt bother arguing with an idiot, he doesnt have any competitive parses because he is a terrible player, which is why he has not linked any. He just keeps saying link some parses even though he is aware that every endgame build uses staves for weaving, thus any parse from vMoL from a competitive team is a desteo staff parse. What I see is a guy that doesnt know how to weave so he covers it up by a fantasy. Arguing with him is pointless.
yes i am terrible cause i actually posted what i use, you have not you have not posted anything. all you do is troll saying i am wrong but you have not laid out one logical reason, let alone a whole arguement proving i am wrong. a person isnt wrong because someone else just comes by and says they are. prove i am wrong. and i dont need to post anything because there this thing called time. you take your rotation from start to end (end is when you restart at the very beginning of your rotation) you take the total damage done by all the skills for each time cast multiply that by crit damage boost multiply that by x (x equals percentage chance as a whole number) add that to the total damage done by all the skills for each time they cast during rotation multiplied by y (y equals percentage chance to not crit as a whole number) and then you divide the sum of that by 100 and that will tell you a close estimation of your single target dps not modded by mitigation or buffs if you want to do it with buffs you buff yourself up and measure the numbers with buffs up, if you want to do resist it you must first calculate how much resist is left after target is debuffed by your natural penetration and any skills and subtract that percentage of mitigation remaining from 100 and then multiple the remainder into the dps average.
You aren't calculating the considerable damage you get from light attacks. http://imgur.com/g8jehG6
Here they are 12.4% of my dps
hello total damage done during rotation. you add it all in, if your rotation is entropy light attack crippling grasp light attack funnel health light attack repeat you would add 3 light attacks 1 funnel health 1 crippling grasp 1 entropy calculate the RMS which is the formula i described then divide that by the time. which would be 3s. there will be slight difference in what you calculate vs what dps counters do as dps coiunters do not calculate the first second into the calculations.
One of those situations where you're trying to debate something that isn't really worth the time to debate. If your rotation on a PvE mgnb parces higher with dw for your main bar then your rotation is awfully misinformed. I'll give you a hint beginning with your using of entropy as a major sorcery buff in above rotation that this is certainly the case
rofl for a nb you have to start with entropy in single target, getting your buffs up and your dots up is important. now aoe is a bit different, aoe you lead with detonation then meteor if you dropping your ult, then teleport strike, then sap essence till det goes off then reapply det and continue sap essence for really large mobs (smaller groups of mobs should be dead about time det goes off.
1. If you aren't using Spell Power Potions as a Magicka Dps you are not using a competitive rotation
2. If you used lotus fan in a serious situation within a raid group of a PvE setting you would probably be kicked unless this group was equally misinformed
not true, spell power potions havent been needed since 1.6 update. and for any melee type dps whether its physical or magickal you need a gap closer and unless you are a sorc or templar, you should be close quarters on mobs.
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✭KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
Every raider worth his salt runs a meta spec
It really isn't ridiculous.
Running a meta build means there's only one (maybe two) way(s) to compete effectively. The fact that the term "meta" even applies in ESO means classes are lacking effective build diversity. No one should be forced into the meta in order to compete. Period. Yet, they still are forced into it. Why? Because the class isn't strong in general. It's only strong utilizing a specific setup.
Like I said before, if I have to use a specific setup/build for my class to be strong, my class isn't strong.
Youre incorrect there are multiple way to do ok dps, but there is onky one way to do best dps, this is not a bug or an issue this is how things work IRL because it makes sense....not sure what you mean at all...0 -
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In real life there can be several ways to get the same results. The fact that as you say there's only a single way to get the best results speaks for the lack of depth and diversity when it comes to builds. A good game would allow more than a single setup to achieve the best results and the player can choose what fits her or him best.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
Every raider worth his salt runs a meta spec
It really isn't ridiculous.
Running a meta build means there's only one (maybe two) way(s) to compete effectively. The fact that the term "meta" even applies in ESO means classes are lacking effective build diversity. No one should be forced into the meta in order to compete. Period. Yet, they still are forced into it. Why? Because the class isn't strong in general. It's only strong utilizing a specific setup.
Like I said before, if I have to use a specific setup/build for my class to be strong, my class isn't strong.
Youre incorrect there are multiple way to do ok dps, but there is onky one way to do best dps, this is not a bug or an issue this is how things work IRL because it makes sense....not sure what you mean at all...
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
In real life there can be several ways to get the same results. The fact that as you say there's only a single way to get the best results speaks for the lack of depth and diversity when it comes to builds. A good game would allow more than a single setup to achieve the best results.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
Every raider worth his salt runs a meta spec
It really isn't ridiculous.
Running a meta build means there's only one (maybe two) way(s) to compete effectively. The fact that the term "meta" even applies in ESO means classes are lacking effective build diversity. No one should be forced into the meta in order to compete. Period. Yet, they still are forced into it. Why? Because the class isn't strong in general. It's only strong utilizing a specific setup.
Like I said before, if I have to use a specific setup/build for my class to be strong, my class isn't strong.
Youre incorrect there are multiple way to do ok dps, but there is onky one way to do best dps, this is not a bug or an issue this is how things work IRL because it makes sense....not sure what you mean at all...
You ruined your own point with that last line. You could argue two different builds do good dps.
But how are two different things supposed to be the "best" that doesn't make any sense. Something will always be best at what it does. It's like that in every other mmoMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
Every raider worth his salt runs a meta spec
It really isn't ridiculous.
Running a meta build means there's only one (maybe two) way(s) to compete effectively. The fact that the term "meta" even applies in ESO means classes are lacking effective build diversity. No one should be forced into the meta in order to compete. Period. Yet, they still are forced into it. Why? Because the class isn't strong in general. It's only strong utilizing a specific setup.
Like I said before, if I have to use a specific setup/build for my class to be strong, my class isn't strong.
It's only true as long as your metric is one dimensional. Looking for the biggest dps in an ideal situation for one particular content type. How many variants would you expect to be there? NB as a class is very flexible in general and magblades can adapt to many situations. I would just like to see a meta in par with other classes for trials - but even that is not far from reach.Holdviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner0 -
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
In real life there can be several ways to get the same results. The fact that as you say there's only a single way to get the best results speaks for the lack of depth and diversity when it comes to builds. A good game would allow more than a single setup to achieve the best results and the player can choose what fits her or him best.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
Every raider worth his salt runs a meta spec
It really isn't ridiculous.
Running a meta build means there's only one (maybe two) way(s) to compete effectively. The fact that the term "meta" even applies in ESO means classes are lacking effective build diversity. No one should be forced into the meta in order to compete. Period. Yet, they still are forced into it. Why? Because the class isn't strong in general. It's only strong utilizing a specific setup.
Like I said before, if I have to use a specific setup/build for my class to be strong, my class isn't strong.
Youre incorrect there are multiple way to do ok dps, but there is onky one way to do best dps, this is not a bug or an issue this is how things work IRL because it makes sense....not sure what you mean at all...
Im not sure you udnerstood what I was saying. Let me make it clear - a boss has 5 million health. You have 4 players all very good at awareness and mechanics with a full healer full tank and 2 dps each pulling 25k. They kill the boss in 100 seconds. You have another group 4 players 1 full tank 1 dps with an offheal who pulls 10k and 2 dps pulling 25k each. The fight now takes 83 seconds. The end result is the same the boss is dead, but the fight is shorter.l, meaning it is a preferable option. So yes there are multiple ways to get the job done but some are better than others.0 -
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My point was that there should never be a single best setup. Lost in translation I guess!hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
In real life there can be several ways to get the same results. The fact that as you say there's only a single way to get the best results speaks for the lack of depth and diversity when it comes to builds. A good game would allow more than a single setup to achieve the best results and the player can choose what fits her or him best.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
Every raider worth his salt runs a meta spec
It really isn't ridiculous.
Running a meta build means there's only one (maybe two) way(s) to compete effectively. The fact that the term "meta" even applies in ESO means classes are lacking effective build diversity. No one should be forced into the meta in order to compete. Period. Yet, they still are forced into it. Why? Because the class isn't strong in general. It's only strong utilizing a specific setup.
Like I said before, if I have to use a specific setup/build for my class to be strong, my class isn't strong.
Youre incorrect there are multiple way to do ok dps, but there is onky one way to do best dps, this is not a bug or an issue this is how things work IRL because it makes sense....not sure what you mean at all...
Im not sure you udnerstood what I was saying. Let me make it clear - a boss has 5 million health. You have 4 players all very good at awareness and mechanics with a full healer full tank and 2 dps each pulling 25k. They kill the boss in 100 seconds. You have another group 4 players 1 full tank 1 dps with an offheal who pulls 10k and 2 dps pulling 25k each. The fight now takes 83 seconds. The end result is the same the boss is dead, but the fight is shorter.l, meaning it is a preferable option. So yes there are multiple ways to get the job done but some are better than others.
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My point was that there should never be a single best setup. Lost in translation I guess!hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
In real life there can be several ways to get the same results. The fact that as you say there's only a single way to get the best results speaks for the lack of depth and diversity when it comes to builds. A good game would allow more than a single setup to achieve the best results and the player can choose what fits her or him best.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »KingDuncanVII wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Are you kidding? Assassins will can hit for ~70K in a raid. With a standard meta trial setup. Magnb already has arguably the highest magicka single target. http://i.imgur.com/dgSAQg6h.jpg this is a parse from last patch. I hear a few magblade are getting close to 50K single. On my second attempt in over a year trying to parse on nb with s brand new rotation I hit 42K single http://i.imgur.com/GKU0Y5B.jpg and I was using refreshing path here
What nightblade actually need, is a buff/fix to twisting path specifically. Because they get killed in the passive aoe department that makes magicka builds so strong on bosses. Buffing anything else would make them too strong. They aren't as far behind as everyone thinks. Refreshing is fine how it is.
Also shades need to not steal raid buffs so we can actually use them.
If you have to run a meta build for your class to be strong, your class isn't strong.
And you're only thinking about PvE. ESO has a PvP player-base as well. PvE and PvP players should be considerate of one another when talking about debuffing and buffing classes.
Your first point was just ridiculous. By that logic sorcs are bad in pve because pet builds are bad.
Every raider worth his salt runs a meta spec
It really isn't ridiculous.
Running a meta build means there's only one (maybe two) way(s) to compete effectively. The fact that the term "meta" even applies in ESO means classes are lacking effective build diversity. No one should be forced into the meta in order to compete. Period. Yet, they still are forced into it. Why? Because the class isn't strong in general. It's only strong utilizing a specific setup.
Like I said before, if I have to use a specific setup/build for my class to be strong, my class isn't strong.
Youre incorrect there are multiple way to do ok dps, but there is onky one way to do best dps, this is not a bug or an issue this is how things work IRL because it makes sense....not sure what you mean at all...
Im not sure you udnerstood what I was saying. Let me make it clear - a boss has 5 million health. You have 4 players all very good at awareness and mechanics with a full healer full tank and 2 dps each pulling 25k. They kill the boss in 100 seconds. You have another group 4 players 1 full tank 1 dps with an offheal who pulls 10k and 2 dps pulling 25k each. The fight now takes 83 seconds. The end result is the same the boss is dead, but the fight is shorter.l, meaning it is a preferable option. So yes there are multiple ways to get the job done but some are better than others.
But thats not how the world works...something is always the best...if there is a scale which quanitifes something then there will always be the best whatever it may be..Edited by hedna123b14_ESO on December 5, 2016 9:34PM1
