ESO's Potential Growth

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

But what's wrong with someone praising a component ZOS employee and wishing they were the one to be running things?

What's wrong with it is that it is ridiculous. It's like saying that the person in charge of your garden is nice, and therefore should renovate your house.

Callous2208 wrote: »

If I get hired at a truck plant tomorrow and my history of work is deeply rooted in moving organizations and jobs to Russia, people have a right to be concerned when I start giving Putin tours of the facility.

Who is "people" ? your boss ? Yes, he should be concerned. but if he lets you do it, it is HIS responsibility. As an employee, you act on behalf of someone, within the limits set by someone, and with objectives set by someone. If external people are not happy with what you do, they should blame that someone, not you. The crown crates are implemented by ZOS. This particular lady might have been hired for that purpose, but she's not the one who decided to implement them in the first place.

In the case of ESO, as far as I know, things are even more complicated : the entity in charge of marketing / public relations / corporate communication isn't ZOS, it's Beth.

Blame corporations as much as you like, but do not attack individuals. If you think they're doing a bad job (which might be the case), remember it's not necessarily because they're incompetent. It might also be because they're told to do it that way, and prevented from doing things the "right" way.

Callous2208 · December 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

But what's wrong with someone praising a component ZOS employee and wishing they were the one to be running things?

What's wrong with it is that it is ridiculous. It's like saying that the person in charge of your garden is nice, and therefore should renovate your house.

Callous2208 wrote: »

If I get hired at a truck plant tomorrow and my history of work is deeply rooted in moving organizations and jobs to Russia, people have a right to be concerned when I start giving Putin tours of the facility.

Who is "people" ? your boss ? Yes, he should be concerned. but if he lets you do it, it is HIS responsibility. As an employee, you act on behalf of someone, within the limits set by someone, and with objectives set by someone. If external people are not happy with what you do, they should blame that someone, not you. The crown crates are implemented by ZOS. This particular lady might have been hired for that purpose, but she's not the one who decided to implement them in the first place.

In the case of ESO, as far as I know, things are even more complicated : the entity in charge of marketing / public relations / corporate communication isn't ZOS, it's Beth.

Blame corporations as much as you like, but do not attack individuals. If you think they're doing a bad job (which might be the case), remember it's not necessarily because they're incompetent. It might also be because they're told to do it that way, and prevented from doing things the "right" way.

Eh, I can see you feel strongly about this so I won't put much more into it after this. I feel eso is moving towards becoming a heavily monetized f2p. The individual specializes in such transitions. In her wake lies a multitude of low quality, heavily monetized f2p games that she is quite open about not only working on, but extremely proud of overseeing and coordinating said monetization and f2p transition. Bethesda doesn't have a face or a name I can point to or demonize. Just a bunch of suits, laughing and raking in the money. I'm sure this person is highly competent and doing exactly what's she was hired to do. The last part I have speculated on and voiced my displeasure with. I don't give a pass to folks carrying out all orders, just because they're not solely responsible. The f2p queen will get no respect or pity from me, nor her bosses if things continue down this road.

catsgomeow · December 2016

BuddyAces wrote: »

Again, there was no misinformation in that thread. Disagreeing with something is not misinformation. Disrespectful? So because he wasn't sucking up to her the whole thread needed to disappear? Again, he took one minuscule little jab at the lady in question. If she can't handle someone giving her even a teeny bit of crap over the internet (arguably for good reasons) about what she has done then maybe she shouldn't have the job??

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BTW, I should mention that other than what I've read about her on these forums I don't know a single thing about her She's part of the team that was hired to do a job and she's going to do her job. I have no ill feelings towards her.

I have ill feelings towards her, she spreads a corporate monetizing disease that attacks peoples wallets and sense of worth, hits the core of gaming communities in an mmo then moves onto the next circle of victims. There's a reason mmo's are in decline, and i mean proper mmo's not the garbage that's pumped out every few years from korea. It's a shame that the easy money grab is taken precedence over quality that creates jobs for people who's soul purpose it is is to fumble about in your pockets and wallets and bank accounts for every cent they can snatch from you for the least amount of work.

BuddyAces · December 2016

catsgomeow wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Again, there was no misinformation in that thread. Disagreeing with something is not misinformation. Disrespectful? So because he wasn't sucking up to her the whole thread needed to disappear? Again, he took one minuscule little jab at the lady in question. If she can't handle someone giving her even a teeny bit of crap over the internet (arguably for good reasons) about what she has done then maybe she shouldn't have the job??

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BTW, I should mention that other than what I've read about her on these forums I don't know a single thing about her She's part of the team that was hired to do a job and she's going to do her job. I have no ill feelings towards her.

I have ill feelings towards her, she spreads a corporate monetizing disease that attacks peoples wallets and sense of worth, hits the core of gaming communities in an mmo then moves onto the next circle of victims. There's a reason mmo's are in decline, and i mean proper mmo's not the garbage that's pumped out every few years from korea. It's a shame that the easy money grab is taken precedence over quality that creates jobs for people who's soul purpose it is is to fumble about in your pockets and wallets and bank accounts for every cent they can snatch from you for the least amount of work.

I totally and completely agree. I understand what she does to games. ZOS decided to go this route and they hired the best person to do it. It's not like she was banging down ZOS's doors to be brought in. It appalls me that they went this route and I've succumbed to the idea that I know where this game is headed. It's unfortunate that her position even needs to exist. I won't bash her on the forums but I sure as hell won't get in the way of anyone wanting to.

HarbingerOf · December 2016

Playing MMO for 11 years and ES games since Daggerfall, I think that a full F2P is the only thing that could ruin this game.

Full F2P = toxic community, less resources re-investment, money baiting and the risk of P2W.

I avoided the early ESO because imo was not really worth my time (and could not compare with GW2).

Now I think that the game is near a crossroad. Full F2P is a short term solution, and would probably bring ZOS down hard in the next years.

On the other side, they could find a more functional way to sustain the project and the company. I really hope so.

I totally understand the money issue. My job requires a lot of work on fundraising, business planning and stuffs. No money, no research project.
So they should just do what is needed to assure sustain and stability, but with a mid - long term vision.

Maotti · December 2016

ESO's future? The ship has already started to sink. It's better off just dying and be forgotten imo.

kevlarto_ESO · December 2016

I have nothing against the crown crates, first there is nothing any one NEEDS in them to play the game, and it is a buyer beware it is gambling, we have a whole city built on losers called Las Vegas, at least with crown crates you get something you can drop a ton of real money in Vegas and walk away with nothing.

But my biggest beef with zos as they bring in this revenue, will it some of it filter back to the game for fixes, improvements maybe hire some people that know how to make an mmo.

They leave to many things broken in game for far to long, I know it takes time to fix these things and write the code if needed, also zos is just to soft on cheaters and exploiters, not enough real perma bans going on, or suspensions for knowingly using exploits for gain.

There are so many issues in this game that's need attention to create a fun and balanced playing field for everyone, crown crates are not even on that level.

Valethar · December 2016

Maotti wrote: »

ESO's future? The ship has already started to sink.

Sort of conjures up this image, doesn't it?

BuddyAces · December 2016

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed a couple of posts that contained some misinformation.

I'm going to post again since my last reply was deleted, this time without the infraction.

***. I've been here since the thread was created and I know what post was removed. There was nothing at all that could be considered misinformation in that post. The only thing that you could make a case for removal would be that one single sentence where he took a SLIGHT jab at the lady in question. And honestly, if that post "triggered" her then by God...maybe she should find a new line of work if someone on the interwebs gave her a little crap.

If you would so kindly point out what the misinformation is I would love to read it because as far as I know it was all true.