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Understanding HDR (why it looks darker)
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So me being a TV nerd for the last 6 months I've realized that I wanted to wait on buying an HDR TV set because most of us may not actually understand what we are buying.
In the image above Samsung suggests that this is wat would be seen. Now let's assume ZOS did everything correct, then this photo makes sense for those of us without HDR TV and consoles.
If they didn't do it right...maybe it's the far left...IDK honestly:
Note this is a camera and not a video game or movie photo..
So what would help everyone IMO:
The update settings tho, in my very limited understanding from only 6 months of occasional reading and going fromatore to store and very few real life friends homes as well as testing an older 42 inch 4K tv Samsung downstairs that isn't HDR10 would suggest that the game settings for the three logos to adjust should differ for HDR.
Maybe some full color logos with background light and dark would help. Also More sliders.
Another comparison photo:
I stole this from an article that also tries to explain the differences but I believe this is a photo from one of those new HDR cameras and not a video.
The context is to look at the dark and light and how it contrasts and enhances the colors it can pull out.
In short:
-If you have a really nice HDR TV with SUHD or OLED the pixels are actually turning off or extremely low in dark and extremely high in light so it should look very different in HDR. Meaning dark is freaking dark like outside at midnight in the middle of nowhere and light should be like staring at sun rays at the peak of the day against dark colors.
So you almost are being forced to upgrade your screen to play this assuming you can afford the tv that best aligns with what you want.
Honestly I cannot afford the TV as the cheapest I've seen for 65-78 inches is $3k and up.
Why that's important and what matters is this:
If you go big, you need the pixels as to not lower the quality and as of current the LG OLED tv is the only one above 65 inches that delivers.
-240 Hz for motion
-4K HDR and Dolby Vision
-HDMI 2.0a or whatever the new thing is
-game mode with the dynamic stuff
What I was going to end up with is a Samsung KS8000 cause many sites promoted it but in person....it didn't stand up to the LG OLED
That means when playing a game or watching a movie in HDR, the old SD TVs were lighting the dark and lessening the light because the pixels were sharing colors and space.
Some TV don't even have the pixel tech to independently produce light and dark.
My conclusion:
No one knows what the heck they're talking about in stores.
No one knows what they're talking about online
Most reviews are paid ads by a certain company.
Only buy the TV that literally plays the games you play the most the absolute best. That may mean waiting a bunch of months till prices drop.
Something else to do before you buy....A test:
Very gently press one finger on your screen. If you see a stress mark that skews your image, then its older tech.
The newest tech that I've only seen in the LG OLED if you press the screen nothing is impacted.
That means the darkest of dark and lightest of light.
Here is a photo where it's obvious that the HDR TV seems darker but the colors are richer. It almost makes the HD tv look faded
Another photo that shows the differences:
And last this more of a tech junkie stuff:
Article link: http://4k.com/high-dynamic-range-4k-tvs-everything-need-know-hdr-contrast-wide-color-gamut-tvs-content-offer/
Part 2 is you prob should change your lighting in the room. I'm not the professional but if it's a bulb....just turn the lights off.
Boring stuff most won't read:
I'm going to link an article and stuff and maybe some photos after seeing a couple of threads complaining about settings.
Article 1: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-vs-201604104279.htm
I'm not suggesting you did something wrong or have messed up. I'm not saying I have the answers, I'm just sharing my opinion for me.
Hopefully that helps others understand HDR and what makes sense for their own TV sets.
I will say that I've decided to wait because the only HDR TV that actually can deliver (opinion) is the 2016 over priced LG OLED
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on December 1, 2016 1:28AM In the image above Samsung suggests that this is wat would be seen. Now let's assume ZOS did everything correct, then this photo makes sense for those of us without HDR TV and consoles.
If they didn't do it right...maybe it's the far left...IDK honestly:
Note this is a camera and not a video game or movie photo..
So what would help everyone IMO:
The update settings tho, in my very limited understanding from only 6 months of occasional reading and going fromatore to store and very few real life friends homes as well as testing an older 42 inch 4K tv Samsung downstairs that isn't HDR10 would suggest that the game settings for the three logos to adjust should differ for HDR.
Maybe some full color logos with background light and dark would help. Also More sliders.
Another comparison photo:
I stole this from an article that also tries to explain the differences but I believe this is a photo from one of those new HDR cameras and not a video.
The context is to look at the dark and light and how it contrasts and enhances the colors it can pull out.
In short:
-If you have a really nice HDR TV with SUHD or OLED the pixels are actually turning off or extremely low in dark and extremely high in light so it should look very different in HDR. Meaning dark is freaking dark like outside at midnight in the middle of nowhere and light should be like staring at sun rays at the peak of the day against dark colors.
So you almost are being forced to upgrade your screen to play this assuming you can afford the tv that best aligns with what you want.
Honestly I cannot afford the TV as the cheapest I've seen for 65-78 inches is $3k and up.
Why that's important and what matters is this:
If you go big, you need the pixels as to not lower the quality and as of current the LG OLED tv is the only one above 65 inches that delivers.
-240 Hz for motion
-4K HDR and Dolby Vision
-HDMI 2.0a or whatever the new thing is
-game mode with the dynamic stuff
What I was going to end up with is a Samsung KS8000 cause many sites promoted it but in person....it didn't stand up to the LG OLED
That means when playing a game or watching a movie in HDR, the old SD TVs were lighting the dark and lessening the light because the pixels were sharing colors and space.
Some TV don't even have the pixel tech to independently produce light and dark.
My conclusion:
No one knows what the heck they're talking about in stores.
No one knows what they're talking about online
Most reviews are paid ads by a certain company.
Only buy the TV that literally plays the games you play the most the absolute best. That may mean waiting a bunch of months till prices drop.
Something else to do before you buy....A test:
Very gently press one finger on your screen. If you see a stress mark that skews your image, then its older tech.
The newest tech that I've only seen in the LG OLED if you press the screen nothing is impacted.
That means the darkest of dark and lightest of light.
Here is a photo where it's obvious that the HDR TV seems darker but the colors are richer. It almost makes the HD tv look faded
Another photo that shows the differences:
And last this more of a tech junkie stuff:
Article link: http://4k.com/high-dynamic-range-4k-tvs-everything-need-know-hdr-contrast-wide-color-gamut-tvs-content-offer/
Part 2 is you prob should change your lighting in the room. I'm not the professional but if it's a bulb....just turn the lights off.
Boring stuff most won't read:
I'm going to link an article and stuff and maybe some photos after seeing a couple of threads complaining about settings.
Article 1: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-vs-201604104279.htm
I'm not suggesting you did something wrong or have messed up. I'm not saying I have the answers, I'm just sharing my opinion for me.
Hopefully that helps others understand HDR and what makes sense for their own TV sets.
I will say that I've decided to wait because the only HDR TV that actually can deliver (opinion) is the 2016 over priced LG OLED
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
~<{[50]}>~ looks better than *501
~<{[50]}>~ looks better than *501
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Shardaxx✭✭✭✭✭HDR kicked in for me after the patch today and the game is incredibly dark, really too dark to play it looked like a survival horror game, after fiddling with the in-game and TV picture settings I couldn't get it how I wanted it so turned off HDR in the PS4 settings and put my TV back to its normal display setting.Edited by Shardaxx on December 1, 2016 11:09PMPS4 - Europe - Shardaxx - Wood Elf Nightblade - Aldmeri Dominion2 -
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✭My wife and I thought we flipped our ***, or had too much to drink by the time I got online... thanks for the insight.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Unsent.Soul wrote: »My wife and I thought we flipped our ***, or had too much to drink by the time I got online... thanks for the insight.
Lol Naah u didn't drink too much. I think ppl with HDR TVs and a console that supports it are either very happy, confused about settings or maybe questioning the update or their tv.
There a few TVs that are HDR10 but that actually make it look worse than without.
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QUEZ420✭✭✭✭Hmmmm I noticed this as soon as I logged on my ps4 pro which is hooked up to a 4k tv that is not hdr. Shouldn't this only affect hdr tvs?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hmmmm I noticed this as soon as I logged on my ps4 pro which is hooked up to a 4k tv that is not hdr. Shouldn't this only affect hdr tvs?
@QUEZ420
I think two things are going on.
1. The game visuals were changed
2. HDR was added
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »My wife and I thought we flipped our ***, or had too much to drink by the time I got online... thanks for the insight.
Lol Naah u didn't drink too much. I think ppl with HDR TVs and a console that supports it are either very happy, confused about settings or maybe questioning the update or their tv.
There a few TVs that are HDR10 but that actually make it look worse than without.
I think it looks incredible. From a few guild mates conversations, you can tell who has the old stuff. There are a few of us that love it.2 -
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✭I spend 2 hours changing settings and i finaly switched to my simulated HDR movie settings wich are better than the "real" new hdr update .Edited by RouDeR on December 1, 2016 6:37AM0 -
TruthSeeker✭✭✭I recently bought a Samsung 55" curved 4k TV and ESO looked fantastic until this update.
I have tried adjusting the settings but the best I can achieve is by turning off HDR on my TV and using the "Natural" setting. Game mode doesn't help. I also have to set my TV and the game's brightness settings very high in order to be able to (just about) see around me inside, such as in the Thieves Den, but this distorts the black so that it looks horrible (washed out).
ESO is no longer a pleasure to play.
Please can we have the option to revert to playing as if we had declined the offer to play in HDR?0 -
This update has destroyed how this game looks to me. It's far too dark. Play FFXV, that is how HDR gaming should look, not like this.PSN: Welsh_Assassin26
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TruthSeeker✭✭✭WelshAssassin1987 wrote: »This update has destroyed how this game looks to me. It's far too dark. Play FFXV, that is how HDR gaming should look, not like this.
Hi WelshAssassin1987,
Destroyed it for me too.
I have been able to revert to how my game looked pre-patch by changing my PS4 Video Output Settings so that HDR is off; likewise the Deep Colour Output.
I am at a loss to understand why the update had such a disastrous effect on my visuals because I have a lovely 4k TV.
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Egonieser✭✭✭✭✭
✭So much hassle, on a PC it's as simple as flipping on a switch in nVidia settings and most monitors, even cheap ones have HDR.
Though I don't use HDR for games and movies, something about it just doesn't look right. It messed up the colours in many situations, making them look fake as if some colour filter was on (Same reason I don't use HDR on my camera) Maybe that's just me, but it seems much more overhyped than it actually is (mainly console folks as they're only just getting this feature that should've been as standard for many years).Edited by Egonieser on December 1, 2016 10:39AMSometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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✭✭So much hassle, on a PC it's as simple as flipping on a switch in nVidia settings and most monitors, even cheap ones have HDR.
Though I don't use HDR for games and movies, something about it just doesn't look right. It messed up the colours in many situations, making them look fake as if some colour filter was on (Same reason I don't use HDR on my camera) Maybe that's just me, but it seems much more overhyped than it actually is (mainly console folks as they're only just getting this feature that should've been as standard for many years).
sorry but you have a complete lack of understanding regarding exactly what high dynamic range is in relation to modern tv / display technology. This is completely different then what you are talking about. No pc gaming monitors available currently are equipped with HDR support, be it dolby vision or HDR10.
This is not that basic color gamut nonsense you see in the nvidia control panel nor is it in anyway shape or form related to the "hdr" options found in cameras and cell phones.
The technology powering the HDR that is actually being discussed, actually creates a more natural to the eye spectrum then most people are used to. Its the exact oposite of making them look fake lol... the technology is actually bringing the colors on screen closer to what is seen by the eye in real life.
Perhaps you should maybe read up on the topic before speaking about it here.
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