Geographically Challenged on TF

God_flakes · December 2016

Ok I can't stand it anymore. Stop trying to con and shame EP into helping you guys beat us!! Have more pride than that.

alephthiago · December 2016

I disagree with most ADs here, i dont think we should teach EP how to win campaigns.
They want to come south and stack 4 raids at Alessia? Fine. We all know the "purple hour" when EP stack Alessia and the other cronies go even further south with their "small man" trying to farm noobies while the DC version of pact Militia and a few other guilds start pushing roe, brindle and bb. Sometimes we do fine, sometimes it goes very bad but their momentum lasts for an hour or two or until they get wiped multiple times or we lose one of the scrolls and that is it.
EP is the one that consistently wants to mess with us, some players who i should not name will be always in the same resources at Fare, BM and Alessia eventually getting one keep lit when we ignore them, they just dont know how to ride north or west.

Its AD the one that needs to adjust the gameplay, lock the ash-nikel gate, keep an eye at Brindle, ALWAYS have possession of sej and BRK and leave BRK only when we are too divided to handle DCs full force going south.

You may say pugs can't think strategically like this, but if the big guilds stack at these places pugs are sure to follow.

Minno · December 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Ok I can't stand it anymore. Stop trying to con and shame EP into helping you guys beat us!! Have more pride than that.

It's in EP's best interest that DC and AD fight. If this week is any indication, -EP has a chance to take the lead If AD continues their infatuation with Ash/tri keeps (they were getting 60+ ticks while AD/-DC fight for 54 ticks).
If anything id expect EP to broker a deal with us if it means they can get a chance to dethrone us from our win streak and push AD into third place.

Drummerx04 · December 2016

Interestingly I see AD+EP force us to our gates and DC+EP force AD to their gates, but I very rarely see AD+DC force EP to their gates during primetime.

As Manoekin pointed out EP and AD forced us down to one keep (Glademist) last night with minimum 2 raids from each faction. Divided our keeps cleanly between the two factions before finally getting bored I guess.

Manoekin wrote: »

As far as Brindle goes, it's not like DC responds to dragonclaw well, or EP to drakelowe. The keeps simply aren't close enough to respond to if there's any sort of competent siege going on. I could probably just keep my group at brindle all night and farm Saramis as he potatoes to that keep every single chance he gets. DC lost every keep other than Glademist last night while Saramis and Shadowgrabber tried to take Brindle together... together...

Lol, they never intentionally work together. If they are in the same place it's by accident and both leaders are too stubborn to leave. They pretty much don't even want the two guilds reviving each other for whatever that gets us.

NACtron · December 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

Come on Nikolai, EP has not won a TF campaign since i came back to the game in the summer. PM stacks raid on raid and pushes south nightly (yes I know you guys hit chalman and alswell too). This is not a pisssing contest nor is it about pennis size. This is about EP getting their big boy pants on and getting back into the war fighting for the right objective. You can hold your grudges or grind your axes on AD later. Mano is right there are 3 factors that will contribute to who wins, but lets make a real effort and not some token we are going to loose so lets just help DC attitude. I can say it, I don't like EP only because as a faction they have wimped out on making even the slightest effort. If EP had a goal to force AD to last place you have failed several times at that. If EP has a goal to win, well they have failed at that. Over the last 3 months we have seen very little out of EP and that's sad. If it takes a brick over the head for EP to wake up and get out there and fight the largest faction on the map well brick meet EP.

What's really sad is I have always had a lot of respect for the players on the EP side. I have been respectful and insist my guild is also. Don't make this into some personal thing when its not. EP needs to win for a lot of reason and if you don't see them well than that's on you.

Nothing personal. All I am saying is your plan to petition EP for help to get you guys back in first is not going to work. EP wants first. That means fighting both factions. Both AD and DC. That means doing all we can to make it difficult for both factions opposing us to succeed. Last night we took Alessia but for 3 evals DC only had 3 keeps or less. When PM plays we do the best we can to make sure EP has the highest potential points above both factions at eval. We are not singling out AD and we are not signaling out DC. We hit what faction is relevant for us to hit at the time.

NACtron · December 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Three faction warfare, for some reason North Americans seem to have a hard time understanding how it works they leave me with that perception or maybe they don't care I don't know.

In three faction warfare the two factions that are losing should be pushing on the winning faction, this does not mean coordinate or anything like that it just happens.

I think so many of the problems we have all comes from the fact we can house all three factions in the same campaign, I think it takes away any kind of faction or campaign pride that would make you fight harder for your colors, to many friends in the other factions and so on.

One thing I notice to is when AD owns the IC both factions seem to push more on AD at that time, a locked pop means nothing when a good percentage of your faction is below ground.

I wish that personal gain was tied to doing more factional things than just killing players and tics, that could have helped change the whole dynamics of pvp.

Oh well I guess it is what it is. /shrug

well at least someone gets the point of the thread. I can't come straight out and say, "hey, EP lets have a truce so we can all focus on DC." There are very very delicate diplomatic and internal considerations that have to be made before anything like this could even happen.

Na EP won't ever figure it out.

We understand your intent perfectly. It's just sad you can't figure out how to pass DC for first place yourselves so you whine and complain on the forums for EP's aid.

It's just one guy. The rest of us can see EP has no interest in winning, and that there's really no point to for ourselves either. There's literally only three requirements to winning a campaign:
Have a stronger oceanic pop so you out gain the other factions the other 16 non-prime time hours.

Bring your whole faction to any sort of defense, even a resource to encourage the enemies back to the gate/bridge on the other side of the map.

Hope one or both of the other factions don't care or don't know what they are doing, and decide to fight each other instead.

DC currently just meets them. It's not like this is difficult to understand. You don't have to run calculus equations over how much points each faction will get if you take a resource.

As far as Brindle goes, it's not like DC responds to dragonclaw well, or EP to drakelowe. The keeps simply aren't close enough to respond to if there's any sort of competent siege going on. I could probably just keep my group at brindle all night and farm Saramis as he potatoes to that keep every single chance he gets. DC lost every keep other than Glademist last night while Saramis and Shadowgrabber tried to take Brindle together... together...

Right now DC dominates at number 1 making it okay for DC to slip up and losing everything in the afternoon and primetime hours. If DC was rated based on how they did at primetime they would be in last place by a mile.