Geographically Challenged on TF

Anazasi

While I enjoy the constant fighting during primetime (6pm est to midnight), I am saddened by the fact that by 8pm nightly both DC and EP roll south. I don't believe in most cases that it can be called extreme however, when EP and DC stack multiple raids it's rather overwhelming. In fact one could say it is extremely poor sportsmanship. I have made these observations in the past and I will continue to make them only because EP and DC continue to do the same things. I can set my clock by the TF map, I know it's 8pm because Roe is Blue with all of DC at the gate and Alessia is Red with all the EP at the gate. AD doesn't have an issue with this because we know that we can stack all of the population inside Fare and hold the gates, lag the server, and create a 999 ping. What I can't understand is why EP and DC want to do this every night. EP claims they want to win yet the current point leader is DC. The fight between AD and EP is still pretty close but DC is pulling ahead because of this. What this behavior really does is force AD to push eastward when they control the south when what the maps really needs is concentrated effort on the West. EP will not win a campaign without taking DC property. You can get out your calculators, find your math wizards or simply take off your shoes and use your toes but you need to start watching that score and wake up and see that if you don't pressure the leading scoring faction you will remain a failed competitive faction. AD does not have enough property in the south during primetime to close the point gap between EP and DC you simply have to make more pts.

What will happen if you don't change. EP will end up loosing yet another campaign. DC will win yet another campaign. AD will be in second place again. Maybe this is what you want to do, I don't know, but the reality is what you have done at the end of the first week has gotten you nothing. EP's real enemy is DC you need to chase blue berries. I only run 1 group and I want to keep the pressure on DC. I don't want to be tied up defending the south or rolling around looking for free points on the East because i need to keep EP out of AD territory. I want to be able to go west and force DC to defend. I can't do that with EP current strategy. If EP will work the map to knock DC out of the lead I think the organized groups will read the score during primetime and do the same.

IJS time is the only constant in this and the clock is ticking.

God_flakes

AD stacks 5 billion inside Ash at the start of prime time every night while they totally ignore EP. It's like they willingly and stubbornly refuse to acknowledge any other keep exists. Then once they force DC to bring massive numbers to Ash to reclaim it, and they're evicted, they then run around like they're unsure what to do. Hey guys lets bee bop around Ash gate for hours while DC takes Brindle! Hey guys lets bridge farm while EP takes Allessia! So to come here and gripe about faction stacking is a little disingenuous. Ad faction stacks, they just don't really know how to do it prime time to be effective on the map. That's why they end up getting pushed hard.

Anazasi

I don't disagree with you because i know that happens. It happens at BRK and Alessia too. What we don't ever see is EP actually throwing 3 raids of players at the west during prime time. We do see 3 raids knocking on Alessia and as many DC knocking at ROE at the same time every night. It's a ritual that is costing EP in the long run.

But lets be real for a second. DC is in the lead probably 200 pts this morning. And you want to complain about AD actually trying to stop DC from gaining pts in a DC home keep that costs DC 8pts per hour and gains AD 4. Honestly this is the burden of winning and being in the lead of a competitive campaign.

antihero727

God_flakes wrote: »

AD stacks 5 billion inside Ash at the start of prime time every night while they totally ignore EP. It's like they willingly and stubbornly refuse to acknowledge any other keep exists. Then once they force DC to bring massive numbers to Ash to reclaim it, and they're evicted, they then run around like they're unsure what to do. Hey guys lets bee bop around Ash gate for hours while DC takes Brindle! Hey guys lets bridge farm while EP takes Allessia! So to come here and gripe about faction stacking is a little disingenuous. Ad faction stacks, they just don't really know how to do it prime time to be effective on the map. That's why they end up getting pushed hard.

Lol 5 billion, 40 makes my fps go to 10. If 5 billion played this game the big red buttons of the world would have been pushed after the lightning patch. FYI 7.4 billion is current world population that would give a good shot that most world leaders would be playing. What do you think Trumps toon name would be? I say khajitt, Grabs-by-kitty.

God_flakes

antihero727 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

AD stacks 5 billion inside Ash at the start of prime time every night while they totally ignore EP. It's like they willingly and stubbornly refuse to acknowledge any other keep exists. Then once they force DC to bring massive numbers to Ash to reclaim it, and they're evicted, they then run around like they're unsure what to do. Hey guys lets bee bop around Ash gate for hours while DC takes Brindle! Hey guys lets bridge farm while EP takes Allessia! So to come here and gripe about faction stacking is a little disingenuous. Ad faction stacks, they just don't really know how to do it prime time to be effective on the map. That's why they end up getting pushed hard.

Lol 5 billion, 40 makes my fps go to 10. If 5 billion played this game the big red buttons of the world would have been pushed after the lightning patch. FYI 7.4 billion is current world population that would give a good shot that most world leaders would be playing. What do you think Trumps toon name would be? I say khajitt, Grabs-by-kitty.

Awe come on now bby, you know I was being sarcastic.

Funny you should bring up Trump. Sunday night I yelled in zone for DC to grab AD by the...[snip]

Psilent

Every night when I PvP I see Ash and BRK yellow. Most times Drakelowe is yellow as well, who do you think is going to get focused?

You also had a EP scroll two nights ago and a DC one last night...

God_flakes

Anazasi wrote: »

I don't disagree with you because i know that happens. It happens at BRK and Alessia too. What we don't ever see is EP actually throwing 3 raids of players at the west during prime time. We do see 3 raids knocking on Alessia and as many DC knocking at ROE at the same time every night. It's a ritual that is costing EP in the long run.

But lets be real for a second. DC is in the lead probably 200 pts this morning. And you want to complain about AD actually trying to stop DC from gaining pts in a DC home keep that costs DC 8pts per hour and gains AD 4. Honestly this is the burden of winning and being in the lead of a competitive campaign.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't complaining. It's amusing the tactics AD and EP use right now on TF prime time. If I was on AD or EP I would be super frustrated too.

antihero727

Psilent wrote: »

Every night when I PvP I see Ash and BRK yellow. Most times Drakelowe is yellow as well, who do you think is going to get focused?

You also had a EP scroll two nights ago and a DC one last night...

The one in 1st place. If you push our gates then expect to have yours pushed too. AD just ended up with your scrolls when EP has a hard time finishing that task even with AD's gates open. If it's not farming EP has no clue what to do anymore.

Psilent

antihero727 wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Every night when I PvP I see Ash and BRK yellow. Most times Drakelowe is yellow as well, who do you think is going to get focused?

You also had a EP scroll two nights ago and a DC one last night...

The one in 1st place. If you push our gates then expect to have yours pushed too. AD just ended up with your scrolls when EP has a hard time finishing that task even with AD's gates open. If it's not farming EP has no clue what to do anymore.

In a perfect world we'd get all the EP Generals together in the war room and discuss strategy. We'd love to focus our efforts on the Darfal Coven, but due to constant attacks from the Dominion on our southern border we'd need to somehow prevent it in order to put full pressure on the West.

We decide the course of least bloodshed is to reach out to the Dominion with a suggestion of a non-aggression pact along the river Niben. We then push west while the Dominion pushes Northwest. Until the threat of the Coven is no more, then we either fight each other or split Cyrodiil down the middle. We then build the Great DaggerWall along the borders of the Convenant lands to keep them contained.

However, this isn't a perfect world. The pact wakes up every morning and sees BRK, Sej, and Drake yellow. They want to secure the border, and once they do AD keeps coming to Sej. Which makes EP push south until Alessis is red.

It is what it is. AD likes those keeps to keep pressure off Fare and BM. They like Sej to keep pressure off Alessia. Just like EP likes Bleakers to keep pressure off Chalman.

Minno

We purposely hit AD at their weakest. Normally -DC goes after EP/chal, but if we get pushed to our tri-keep, we historically will hold out till -EP gets bored with hitting us in the north. This means -EP pushes to AD tri-keep, giving us the ability to only face one faction instead of two.

There's nothing you can do except maybe not keep your entire force in the north while -EP is ravaging your country side. Keep enough to keep us bottle necked at ash gate, and DC will go back to hitting north.

Point wise, we only need to keep AD in check by taking brindle+ nikel while -EP takes your other points. We need to only keep EP under 60 points to clench a faction win.

fastolfv_ESO

fact is when i login every single evening ad holds ash and brk, i form up my raid and head south. AD stacks 3 raids in ash every single night without exception so i then have to ask around for raid leaders to coordinate multiple keeps to hit and keep on sticking it to ad until around 10pm est. At this point alot of dc log off and AD rebound pushing back north and retaking ash as primetime ends. Its basically a never ending cycle every weekday night, now i think dc actually stacks raids far less than ads megazerg which turtles ash like its a home keep and retakes it every night. I actively hit keeps away from other dc grps finding it more effective for scoring, though if your saying dc pugs stick together hard while guilds actively roam i can completely agree dcs pug population has surged, though its usually throwing itself as chal all night

Manoekin

Minno wrote: »

We purposely hit AD at their weakest. Normally -DC goes after EP/chal, but if we get pushed to our tri-keep, we historically will hold out till -EP gets bored with hitting us in the north. This means -EP pushes to AD tri-keep, giving us the ability to only face one faction instead of two.

There's nothing you can do except maybe not keep your entire force in the north while -EP is ravaging your country side. Keep enough to keep us bottle necked at ash gate, and DC will go back to hitting north.

Point wise, we only need to keep AD in check by taking brindle+ nikel while -EP takes your other points. We need to only keep EP under 60 points to clench a faction win.

I'll remember to tell people to stay at ash gate while EP has 4 guilds in alessia, 3 of them running full raids or close to it. Last night was actually pretty funny since EP ended up fully wiping because the entire faction got in a load screen after we repaired one of the walls.

God_flakes

Manoekin wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

We purposely hit AD at their weakest. Normally -DC goes after EP/chal, but if we get pushed to our tri-keep, we historically will hold out till -EP gets bored with hitting us in the north. This means -EP pushes to AD tri-keep, giving us the ability to only face one faction instead of two.

There's nothing you can do except maybe not keep your entire force in the north while -EP is ravaging your country side. Keep enough to keep us bottle necked at ash gate, and DC will go back to hitting north.

Point wise, we only need to keep AD in check by taking brindle+ nikel while -EP takes your other points. We need to only keep EP under 60 points to clench a faction win.

I'll remember to tell people to stay at ash gate while EP has 4 guilds in alessia, 3 of them running full raids or close to it. Last night was actually pretty funny since EP ended up fully wiping because the entire faction got in a load screen after we repaired one of the walls.

Aawwwe no need to tell them...they already do this! And why they keep losing.

Dreyloch

AD is the middle child atm. Your going to be kept down by the lead (DC) and be attacked by the hungry third place team trying to get ahead of you. Doesn't matter what faction it is. Whoever is in the middle is usually getting teamed up on. I won't give you ideas to stop this. You need to figure that out on your own.

Since the start of revival at outposts, it's been gate camping between Chal and Bleaks, Sej and Alessia, and Nikel to Ash. Which isn't much different from the past, but now it's intensified. Guilds and pugs all over Cyro need to get past these three spots to get anything else done. How often do you see DC trying to take BRK? Or Sej? ...now how often do you see AD trying to take those same 2 spots? Ya all need to stop sitting at the bridge and go deeper on EP. I almost never see AD even trying to take Ep home keeps, or even put them under siege. That's on you. That's your fault.

Celas_Dranacea

Psilent wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Every night when I PvP I see Ash and BRK yellow. Most times Drakelowe is yellow as well, who do you think is going to get focused?

You also had a EP scroll two nights ago and a DC one last night...

The one in 1st place. If you push our gates then expect to have yours pushed too. AD just ended up with your scrolls when EP has a hard time finishing that task even with AD's gates open. If it's not farming EP has no clue what to do anymore.

In a perfect world we'd get all the EP Generals together in the war room and discuss strategy. We'd love to focus our efforts on the Darfal Coven, but due to constant attacks from the Dominion on our southern border we'd need to somehow prevent it in order to put full pressure on the West.

We decide the course of least bloodshed is to reach out to the Dominion with a suggestion of a non-aggression pact along the river Niben. We then push west while the Dominion pushes Northwest. Until the threat of the Coven is no more, then we either fight each other or split Cyrodiil down the middle. We then build the Great DaggerWall along the borders of the Convenant lands to keep them contained.

However, this isn't a perfect world. The pact wakes up every morning and sees BRK, Sej, and Drake yellow. They want to secure the border, and once they do AD keeps coming to Sej. Which makes EP push south until Alessis is red.

It is what it is. AD likes those keeps to keep pressure off Fare and BM. They like Sej to keep pressure off Alessia. Just like EP likes Bleakers to keep pressure off Chalman.

For the remainder of this campaign, I am going to personally advocate that AD avoid any incursions into EP territory except in a case where we need to in order to facilitate reclaiming a home keep from EP.

I publicly vow that when I run groups, for the next month I will not hit EP home territories except with the above exception. While I cannot control where I and others are sent when under the command of another leader, I will advocate in any groups I'm in to push DC home territories instead of EP.

To all AD leaders - I encourage us to adopt a resolution publicly acknowledging Drake and Sej are EP home territories. We will claim dominion over Nikel as AD's official outpost.

In regards to Cropsford, that is where we should draw a line in the sand. Cropsford is a sovereign nation state allied with the Dominion. I'll admit that for me, it is personal - the good people of Cropsford took me in when I was an abandoned werewolf puppy and nursed me back to health on milk from their village cow, Betsy. I will protect Cropsford with my life. EP gets Drake and Sej but AD gets Cropsford.

This resolution would remain in effect until the beginning of the New Life Festival or until the Covenant domination of Trueflame has been neutralized. If DC is 2,000+ points behind in the last few days of the campaign, however unlikely, then it's on like Donkey Kong.

If this armistice screws AD in the end, so be it. EP has not won TF in over 6 months and they deserve at least a sporting chance to be in first or even 2nd if that's how it pans out.

What say you?

bikerangelo

I've always thought that the Cyrodiil map looked like a giant funnel with DC and EP being poured down from the top edges, so this sounds normal to me.

NACtron

C'mon AD you guys know by now that if you hold both EP and DC keeps at the start of primetime you are going to get double teamed.

AD has a really really strong afternoon presence. Better than all other factions atm. Your afternoon guilds do too well. So well that they are taking and holding keeps from both factions until primetime. Which leads to the primetime EP guilds as well as the DC ones wanting to retake their home keeps and then some. There is no team purple just game mechanics that lead to poor AD getting hit on both sides.

Manoekin

Dreyloch wrote: »

AD is the middle child atm. Your going to be kept down by the lead (DC) and be attacked by the hungry third place team trying to get ahead of you. Doesn't matter what faction it is. Whoever is in the middle is usually getting teamed up on. I won't give you ideas to stop this. You need to figure that out on your own.

Since the start of revival at outposts, it's been gate camping between Chal and Bleaks, Sej and Alessia, and Nikel to Ash. Which isn't much different from the past, but now it's intensified. Guilds and pugs all over Cyro need to get past these three spots to get anything else done. How often do you see DC trying to take BRK? Or Sej? ...now how often do you see AD trying to take those same 2 spots? Ya all need to stop sitting at the bridge and go deeper on EP. I almost never see AD even trying to take Ep home keeps, or even put them under siege. That's on you. That's your fault.

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

We purposely hit AD at their weakest. Normally -DC goes after EP/chal, but if we get pushed to our tri-keep, we historically will hold out till -EP gets bored with hitting us in the north. This means -EP pushes to AD tri-keep, giving us the ability to only face one faction instead of two.

There's nothing you can do except maybe not keep your entire force in the north while -EP is ravaging your country side. Keep enough to keep us bottle necked at ash gate, and DC will go back to hitting north.

Point wise, we only need to keep AD in check by taking brindle+ nikel while -EP takes your other points. We need to only keep EP under 60 points to clench a faction win.

I'll remember to tell people to stay at ash gate while EP has 4 guilds in alessia, 3 of them running full raids or close to it. Last night was actually pretty funny since EP ended up fully wiping because the entire faction got in a load screen after we repaired one of the walls.

Aawwwe no need to tell them...they already do this! And why they keep losing.

AD controls BRK/sej on some days just as much as EP does. I don't see your point unless you're trying to prove you don't play the game?

And no Jauriel, they don't. That's the reason DC ever gets anything done on that side of the map, when they have no competition unless K-hole is running a good group.

Minno

Manoekin wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

We purposely hit AD at their weakest. Normally -DC goes after EP/chal, but if we get pushed to our tri-keep, we historically will hold out till -EP gets bored with hitting us in the north. This means -EP pushes to AD tri-keep, giving us the ability to only face one faction instead of two.

There's nothing you can do except maybe not keep your entire force in the north while -EP is ravaging your country side. Keep enough to keep us bottle necked at ash gate, and DC will go back to hitting north.

Point wise, we only need to keep AD in check by taking brindle+ nikel while -EP takes your other points. We need to only keep EP under 60 points to clench a faction win.

I'll remember to tell people to stay at ash gate while EP has 4 guilds in alessia, 3 of them running full raids or close to it. Last night was actually pretty funny since EP ended up fully wiping because the entire faction got in a load screen after we repaired one of the walls.

AD has to keep brindle/nikel. Nikel for defense and brindle for points. If AD holds Ash, they keep us down 8 points. But if we take brindle, which is historically undefended, it evens out from a point perspective. But if we have Brindle, we are closer to hitting roe/tri-keep resources which are also historically undefended.

Keep ash defended with full raids, we'll take nearby resources at score flip to keep you under 60 points. While the EP bridge warriors do the same.

asneakybanana

Lol every faction fully focuses every other faction from time to time. Ep almost always has at least a 24 man running between brk and sej or sej and alessia as well as a 24 man running between chal and bleaks or bleaks and aleswell. Seems like ad always has a raid at the bridge or sej and a raid between nikel and roe or roe and ash and seems dc always has a raid at aleswell or bleaks and ash or nikel. The 2 factions never really work together unless it's an emp dethrone or stopping an emp push or 1 faction has really pushed the map. Anyone who thinks different is just telling themselves lies to help them sleep at night.

Rohamad_Ali

Didn't AD have DC pinned at home keeps most of the day and then most of the night ?

kevlarto_ESO

Three faction warfare, for some reason North Americans seem to have a hard time understanding how it works they leave me with that perception or maybe they don't care I don't know.

In three faction warfare the two factions that are losing should be pushing on the winning faction, this does not mean coordinate or anything like that it just happens.

I think so many of the problems we have all comes from the fact we can house all three factions in the same campaign, I think it takes away any kind of faction or campaign pride that would make you fight harder for your colors, to many friends in the other factions and so on.

One thing I notice to is when AD owns the IC both factions seem to push more on AD at that time, a locked pop means nothing when a good percentage of your faction is below ground.

There is some ebb and flow some days are a bit different but like the OP stats we can set our watches by how the map looks on most days, I log off around 8pm my pvp days are like 4p to 8p M-F, and varies on the weekend, I am not out there as much as I used to be.

I wish that personal gain was tied to doing more factional things than just killing players and tics, that could have helped change the whole dynamics of pvp.

Oh well I guess it is what it is. /shrug

Dreyloch

Manoekin wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

AD is the middle child atm. Your going to be kept down by the lead (DC) and be attacked by the hungry third place team trying to get ahead of you. Doesn't matter what faction it is. Whoever is in the middle is usually getting teamed up on. I won't give you ideas to stop this. You need to figure that out on your own.

Since the start of revival at outposts, it's been gate camping between Chal and Bleaks, Sej and Alessia, and Nikel to Ash. Which isn't much different from the past, but now it's intensified. Guilds and pugs all over Cyro need to get past these three spots to get anything else done. How often do you see DC trying to take BRK? Or Sej? ...now how often do you see AD trying to take those same 2 spots? Ya all need to stop sitting at the bridge and go deeper on EP. I almost never see AD even trying to take Ep home keeps, or even put them under siege. That's on you. That's your fault.

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

We purposely hit AD at their weakest. Normally -DC goes after EP/chal, but if we get pushed to our tri-keep, we historically will hold out till -EP gets bored with hitting us in the north. This means -EP pushes to AD tri-keep, giving us the ability to only face one faction instead of two.

There's nothing you can do except maybe not keep your entire force in the north while -EP is ravaging your country side. Keep enough to keep us bottle necked at ash gate, and DC will go back to hitting north.

Point wise, we only need to keep AD in check by taking brindle+ nikel while -EP takes your other points. We need to only keep EP under 60 points to clench a faction win.

I'll remember to tell people to stay at ash gate while EP has 4 guilds in alessia, 3 of them running full raids or close to it. Last night was actually pretty funny since EP ended up fully wiping because the entire faction got in a load screen after we repaired one of the walls.

Aawwwe no need to tell them...they already do this! And why they keep losing.

AD controls BRK/sej on some days just as much as EP does. I don't see your point unless you're trying to prove you don't play the game?

And no Jauriel, they don't. That's the reason DC ever gets anything done on that side of the map, when they have no competition unless K-hole is running a good group.

My point is, I very rarely see AD doing anything beyond BRK (most often they stop at the bridge). I very rarely see AD going after EP tri-keeps (Kingscrest,Farragut etc.). But I see DC getting hit at tri- keeps by both teams way more often. Just this week I've seen AD have at least one of DC's tri-keeps. I see Dragonclaw get hit by AD more often than Drakelowe recently. Where is the love (or hate for EP?)What's up with that? I think OP is the one that's trying to prove they don't play the game. I play nightly Mano. U.S. primetime. Have since beta.

Anazasi

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Three faction warfare, for some reason North Americans seem to have a hard time understanding how it works they leave me with that perception or maybe they don't care I don't know.

In three faction warfare the two factions that are losing should be pushing on the winning faction, this does not mean coordinate or anything like that it just happens.

I think so many of the problems we have all comes from the fact we can house all three factions in the same campaign, I think it takes away any kind of faction or campaign pride that would make you fight harder for your colors, to many friends in the other factions and so on.

One thing I notice to is when AD owns the IC both factions seem to push more on AD at that time, a locked pop means nothing when a good percentage of your faction is below ground.

I wish that personal gain was tied to doing more factional things than just killing players and tics, that could have helped change the whole dynamics of pvp.

Oh well I guess it is what it is. /shrug

well at least someone gets the point of the thread. I can't come straight out and say, "hey, EP lets have a truce so we can all focus on DC." There are very very delicate diplomatic and internal considerations that have to be made before anything like this could even happen.

Na EP won't ever figure it out.

Anazasi

Dreyloch wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

AD is the middle child atm. Your going to be kept down by the lead (DC) and be attacked by the hungry third place team trying to get ahead of you. Doesn't matter what faction it is. Whoever is in the middle is usually getting teamed up on. I won't give you ideas to stop this. You need to figure that out on your own.

Since the start of revival at outposts, it's been gate camping between Chal and Bleaks, Sej and Alessia, and Nikel to Ash. Which isn't much different from the past, but now it's intensified. Guilds and pugs all over Cyro need to get past these three spots to get anything else done. How often do you see DC trying to take BRK? Or Sej? ...now how often do you see AD trying to take those same 2 spots? Ya all need to stop sitting at the bridge and go deeper on EP. I almost never see AD even trying to take Ep home keeps, or even put them under siege. That's on you. That's your fault.

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

We purposely hit AD at their weakest. Normally -DC goes after EP/chal, but if we get pushed to our tri-keep, we historically will hold out till -EP gets bored with hitting us in the north. This means -EP pushes to AD tri-keep, giving us the ability to only face one faction instead of two.

There's nothing you can do except maybe not keep your entire force in the north while -EP is ravaging your country side. Keep enough to keep us bottle necked at ash gate, and DC will go back to hitting north.

Point wise, we only need to keep AD in check by taking brindle+ nikel while -EP takes your other points. We need to only keep EP under 60 points to clench a faction win.

I'll remember to tell people to stay at ash gate while EP has 4 guilds in alessia, 3 of them running full raids or close to it. Last night was actually pretty funny since EP ended up fully wiping because the entire faction got in a load screen after we repaired one of the walls.

Aawwwe no need to tell them...they already do this! And why they keep losing.

AD controls BRK/sej on some days just as much as EP does. I don't see your point unless you're trying to prove you don't play the game?

And no Jauriel, they don't. That's the reason DC ever gets anything done on that side of the map, when they have no competition unless K-hole is running a good group.

My point is, I very rarely see AD doing anything beyond BRK (most often they stop at the bridge). I very rarely see AD going after EP tri-keeps (Kingscrest,Farragut etc.). But I see DC getting hit at tri- keeps by both teams way more often. Just this week I've seen AD have at least one of DC's tri-keeps. I see Dragonclaw get hit by AD more often than Drakelowe recently. Where is the love (or hate for EP?)What's up with that? I think OP is the one that's trying to prove they don't play the game. I play nightly Mano. U.S. primetime. Have since beta.

Ha ha Sunday night we (Dominion Knights) raided EP territory for 5 hours took arrius, farragut and kingscrest over and over and over even took chalman once just to let DC in the door. You must have been in IC that night or on a different campaign.

NACtron

Anazasi wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Three faction warfare, for some reason North Americans seem to have a hard time understanding how it works they leave me with that perception or maybe they don't care I don't know.

In three faction warfare the two factions that are losing should be pushing on the winning faction, this does not mean coordinate or anything like that it just happens.

I think so many of the problems we have all comes from the fact we can house all three factions in the same campaign, I think it takes away any kind of faction or campaign pride that would make you fight harder for your colors, to many friends in the other factions and so on.

One thing I notice to is when AD owns the IC both factions seem to push more on AD at that time, a locked pop means nothing when a good percentage of your faction is below ground.

I wish that personal gain was tied to doing more factional things than just killing players and tics, that could have helped change the whole dynamics of pvp.

Oh well I guess it is what it is. /shrug

well at least someone gets the point of the thread. I can't come straight out and say, "hey, EP lets have a truce so we can all focus on DC." There are very very delicate diplomatic and internal considerations that have to be made before anything like this could even happen.

Na EP won't ever figure it out.

We understand your intent perfectly. It's just sad you can't figure out how to pass DC for first place yourselves so you whine and complain on the forums for EP's aid.

Manoekin

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Three faction warfare, for some reason North Americans seem to have a hard time understanding how it works they leave me with that perception or maybe they don't care I don't know.

In three faction warfare the two factions that are losing should be pushing on the winning faction, this does not mean coordinate or anything like that it just happens.

I think so many of the problems we have all comes from the fact we can house all three factions in the same campaign, I think it takes away any kind of faction or campaign pride that would make you fight harder for your colors, to many friends in the other factions and so on.

One thing I notice to is when AD owns the IC both factions seem to push more on AD at that time, a locked pop means nothing when a good percentage of your faction is below ground.

I wish that personal gain was tied to doing more factional things than just killing players and tics, that could have helped change the whole dynamics of pvp.

Oh well I guess it is what it is. /shrug

well at least someone gets the point of the thread. I can't come straight out and say, "hey, EP lets have a truce so we can all focus on DC." There are very very delicate diplomatic and internal considerations that have to be made before anything like this could even happen.

Na EP won't ever figure it out.

We understand your intent perfectly. It's just sad you can't figure out how to pass DC for first place yourselves so you whine and complain on the forums for EP's aid.

It's just one guy. The rest of us can see EP has no interest in winning, and that there's really no point to for ourselves either. There's literally only three requirements to winning a campaign:

1. Have a stronger oceanic pop so you out gain the other factions the other 16 non-prime time hours.
2. Bring your whole faction to any sort of defense, even a resource to encourage the enemies back to the gate/bridge on the other side of the map.
3. Hope one or both of the other factions don't care or don't know what they are doing, and decide to fight each other instead.

DC currently just meets them. It's not like this is difficult to understand. You don't have to run calculus equations over how much points each faction will get if you take a resource.

As far as Brindle goes, it's not like DC responds to dragonclaw well, or EP to drakelowe. The keeps simply aren't close enough to respond to if there's any sort of competent siege going on. I could probably just keep my group at brindle all night and farm Saramis as he potatoes to that keep every single chance he gets. DC lost every keep other than Glademist last night while Saramis and Shadowgrabber tried to take Brindle together... together...

God_flakes

Manoekin wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Three faction warfare, for some reason North Americans seem to have a hard time understanding how it works they leave me with that perception or maybe they don't care I don't know.

In three faction warfare the two factions that are losing should be pushing on the winning faction, this does not mean coordinate or anything like that it just happens.

I think so many of the problems we have all comes from the fact we can house all three factions in the same campaign, I think it takes away any kind of faction or campaign pride that would make you fight harder for your colors, to many friends in the other factions and so on.

One thing I notice to is when AD owns the IC both factions seem to push more on AD at that time, a locked pop means nothing when a good percentage of your faction is below ground.

I wish that personal gain was tied to doing more factional things than just killing players and tics, that could have helped change the whole dynamics of pvp.

Oh well I guess it is what it is. /shrug

well at least someone gets the point of the thread. I can't come straight out and say, "hey, EP lets have a truce so we can all focus on DC." There are very very delicate diplomatic and internal considerations that have to be made before anything like this could even happen.

Na EP won't ever figure it out.

We understand your intent perfectly. It's just sad you can't figure out how to pass DC for first place yourselves so you whine and complain on the forums for EP's aid.

It's just one guy. The rest of us can see EP has no interest in winning, and that there's really no point to for ourselves either. There's literally only three requirements to winning a campaign:

1. Have a stronger oceanic pop so you out gain the other factions the other 16 non-prime time hours.
2. Bring your whole faction to any sort of defense, even a resource to encourage the enemies back to the gate/bridge on the other side of the map.
3. Hope one or both of the other factions don't care or don't know what they are doing, and decide to fight each other instead.

DC currently just meets them. It's not like this is difficult to understand. You don't have to run calculus equations over how much points each faction will get if you take a resource.

As far as Brindle goes, it's not like DC responds to dragonclaw well, or EP to drakelowe. The keeps simply aren't close enough to respond to if there's any sort of competent siege going on. I could probably just keep my group at brindle all night and farm Saramis as he potatoes to that keep every single chance he gets. DC lost every keep other than Glademist last night while Saramis and Shadowgrabber tried to take Brindle together... together...

DHale

I like the lectures from the third place finishers of most every capmpaign since Thornblade.

Minno

God_flakes wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

NACtron wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Three faction warfare, for some reason North Americans seem to have a hard time understanding how it works they leave me with that perception or maybe they don't care I don't know.

In three faction warfare the two factions that are losing should be pushing on the winning faction, this does not mean coordinate or anything like that it just happens.

I think so many of the problems we have all comes from the fact we can house all three factions in the same campaign, I think it takes away any kind of faction or campaign pride that would make you fight harder for your colors, to many friends in the other factions and so on.

One thing I notice to is when AD owns the IC both factions seem to push more on AD at that time, a locked pop means nothing when a good percentage of your faction is below ground.

I wish that personal gain was tied to doing more factional things than just killing players and tics, that could have helped change the whole dynamics of pvp.

Oh well I guess it is what it is. /shrug

well at least someone gets the point of the thread. I can't come straight out and say, "hey, EP lets have a truce so we can all focus on DC." There are very very delicate diplomatic and internal considerations that have to be made before anything like this could even happen.

Na EP won't ever figure it out.

We understand your intent perfectly. It's just sad you can't figure out how to pass DC for first place yourselves so you whine and complain on the forums for EP's aid.

It's just one guy. The rest of us can see EP has no interest in winning, and that there's really no point to for ourselves either. There's literally only three requirements to winning a campaign:

1. Have a stronger oceanic pop so you out gain the other factions the other 16 non-prime time hours.
2. Bring your whole faction to any sort of defense, even a resource to encourage the enemies back to the gate/bridge on the other side of the map.
3. Hope one or both of the other factions don't care or don't know what they are doing, and decide to fight each other instead.

DC currently just meets them. It's not like this is difficult to understand. You don't have to run calculus equations over how much points each faction will get if you take a resource.

As far as Brindle goes, it's not like DC responds to dragonclaw well, or EP to drakelowe. The keeps simply aren't close enough to respond to if there's any sort of competent siege going on. I could probably just keep my group at brindle all night and farm Saramis as he potatoes to that keep every single chance he gets. DC lost every keep other than Glademist last night while Saramis and Shadowgrabber tried to take Brindle together... together...

AD just needs Crocodile Dundee

Anazasi

Come on Nikolai, EP has not won a TF campaign since i came back to the game in the summer. PM stacks raid on raid and pushes south nightly (yes I know you guys hit chalman and alswell too). This is not a pisssing contest nor is it about pennis size. This is about EP getting their big boy pants on and getting back into the war fighting for the right objective. You can hold your grudges or grind your axes on AD later. Mano is right there are 3 factors that will contribute to who wins, but lets make a real effort and not some token we are going to loose so lets just help DC attitude. I can say it, I don't like EP only because as a faction they have wimped out on making even the slightest effort. If EP had a goal to force AD to last place you have failed several times at that. If EP has a goal to win, well they have failed at that. Over the last 3 months we have seen very little out of EP and that's sad. If it takes a brick over the head for EP to wake up and get out there and fight the largest faction on the map well brick meet EP.

What's really sad is I have always had a lot of respect for the players on the EP side. I have been respectful and insist my guild is also. Don't make this into some personal thing when its not. EP needs to win for a lot of reason and if you don't see them well than that's on you.