As long as its not VMOL hard mode stam builds are great.

Without proc sets, I'm fairly certain many builds would never lose to templars with the current heavy armor snb meta.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

What annoys me the most, are the complains the forum got those few moths stamina was best to use. Now, like you say as well, stamina have nothing to do in trials anymore. And if someone try to tell a valid point, you will still be spammed with negative comments.
This is not an opinion, this is straight out facts: maelstrom flurry enchant did not need a nerf!

That's because the majority of players (as well as forum posters), are magicka. Therefore you can expect the majority of whining to come from them.

All you can do is laugh when opinions are posted as facts.

I prefer a majority of mag dps in my raids but as long as more than half the dps aren't stam/melee it's usually fine. The very best raid guilds, like the 1% of the 1% running trials, use primarily mag builds however.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

No top PvE trial guild ran stamina builds.

Cool. All those "ZoS loves stam and hates mag" guys can shut up now.

In PvE, magika is way better than stam

In PvP, stam is way better than magika

If anything, this is way worse because you basically need to lock in your choice to either PvE or PvP depending on which setup you choose.

Magicka is just as powerful as stam in PvP if not more powerful.

HOWEVER

Whether It be magicka or stamina, heavy armor is the most powerful in PvP.

So as it stands currently: light armor dominates in PvE, heavy armor dominates in PvP, and medium armor dominates in deconstructed items.

Everything here is correct except the bold part, if you basing heavy armor on proc sets and not on its iwn merits

Heavy alone isn't strong all, high penetration and no Cost reduction ensures that most are Funneled into black rose, malubeth proc cheese builds but not all heavy armor users do this,( me example)

Heavy is in a good spot, medium armor and somewhat light armor needs fine tuning.

Lukums1 wrote: »

As soon as I see good solid dps phases with magicka I'll swap my stam back to magicka until then

I'll keep my 3 stam sorcs thanks.

What 55k DPS isn't enough for you?

Stamina isn't weak in trials. I think that in single target they still pull higher DPS so they always have a use. I switched to almost exclusively playing stamina builds in trials, cause I need a breather. I just can't play the same class for a whole week and stay sane. So at the moment, I'm switching between MageSorc, StamDK, StamSorc and StamNB, really enjoying every class as long as I don't overplay them. There are only 4 trials in the game, so you gotta find other ways to mix stuff up.
The way we do it with my guild is: every single person in the team must be playing what he or she feels like playing, otherwise the game becomes a chore. Then again, everyone in the team is capable of pulling high DPS on every class they play, which is why there aren't any issues. Healers and tanks stay the same though.
So stamina builds are just fine in trials.

There are eight DPS spots in a raid.

If your team is good enough and your component enough there is space for a stam blade.

They do not kick otber classes to make space for them anymore but yes they are end game viable.

Vaoh wrote: »

I'm all for allowing a dedicated Bow DPS to put out great DPS. On my Magicka Sorc it requires me to slot two Destruction Staves.

Something like:
- 5x TBS
- 5x Vicious Ophidian
- 1x Master Bow
- 1x Maelstrom Bow

Would be awesome if this setup could put out high DPS with an effective skill rotation. Right now it simply can't.

Bow + bow setups can work however the dps potential is just not there with the state of the bow, for instance I was testing pretty hard a 5 tbs 5 leviathan setup with master and maelstrom bows on a stamblade and couldn't push past the 37k mark. Lightweight beast trap was a pain to keep up and the rotation was clunky as hell. Would love to be able to go proper full ranged stam we just don't have the right toolkit to be able to make it work effectively.

Nah, no point at all



Disclaimer, not my parse.

Alcast wrote: »

The reason why most run Magicka builds is because it is EASIER to survive due to Harness Magicka.

vMoL, vHRC we only run magicka builds because too much stuff could kill you.
vAA, vSO we do have 1-2 Stamina builds but thats it.

Stamina still pulls higher single target but they need to be more careful with incoming damage.

@Alcast
Please, help me with this question. Does any of your tanks run with sunderflame?

As @Alcast mentioned, the key is Harness Magicka.

Plus the insane AOE potential thanks to destro ult + new magicka monster sets.

Stamina classes are still monsters, the thing is they aren't worth the risk. Maybe Stam Sorc and that's because Hurricane's AOE and resist buff + Crit Surge (not for Major Brutality, but heals on crits as you don't have access to shields)

Alcast wrote: »

The reason why most run Magicka builds is because it is EASIER to survive due to Harness Magicka.

vMoL, vHRC we only run magicka builds because too much stuff could kill you.
vAA, vSO we do have 1-2 Stamina builds but thats it.

Stamina still pulls higher single target but they need to be more careful with incoming damage.

Well said alcast. The main problem is magicka has a shield and stamina doesn't. If stamina had access to a decent shield I think it would be played a lot more in end game trials. Hopefully ZOS looks into changing this in the future.

@Milvan nope. We do not have enough stamina DDs in our group to make it usefull at all.

If you run a full stam group then it is a MUST have.