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Guild Traders, a thoroughly miserable experience
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GraniteDevil✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Guild traders are fine and shouldn't go anywhere, but it would definitely be nice to have access to an alternative trading system, aside from zone chat selling, that doesn't require going through a middleman/guild. Trade guilds are high maintenance compared to other types of guilds.
I won't argue with more options.0 -
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✭Stopnaggin wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »collettd101 wrote: »Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.
Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.
And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.
Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.
Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.
In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.
Just saying.
Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.
I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.
Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.
Actually it would do the opposite as far as competition. Now you have 3 or 4 people controlling the market, and guess what? They wouldn't have to put in any effort to do so. 3 or 4 rich people could buy all the tempers, kutas, wax or whatever, but now instead of having to travel to do that, it would all be in one place.
Seriously I don't understand why people think there is some evil entity controlling guild traders. I have 3 steady trading guilds the charge 5k per week. I make 50 times that much just listing stuff I don't need. This need to have everything at your fingertips takes away from the grind that are MMO'S. All the trading guilds I'm in also host contests and raffles which comes from guild dues. Don't wanna pay, fine there are free guilds out there, but they won't be in a high traffic spot.
Maybe we're going to need to agree to disagree. I believe there would be so much traffic in a central auction house that it would be difficult for one person or even 3-4 people, to control the entire market. And as I said earlier, what makes you think that doesn't already happen now? If the only concern about a central auction house is a few people cornering the market, then have ZOS utilize internal data to see if there are people who consistently appear to be trying to monopolize the market. If they are, and they have been warned about it.. next offense, I would ban them for a few days. They keep doing it.. they would be out of the game.
That would assume there is teamwork between all guilds. I can tell you, while that may be the case for a few it's not as wide spread as everyone seems to think. The guilds I'm in usually just look at prices in the area they are located and list their wares accordingly. The guild masters do not set the prices, I set my price. I alone go in and adjust my price during the listing process.
If you think people are trying to monopolize in the current system, what would make you think an AH would be different?
Thank you for keeping it civil as that is rare anymore in these forums.
I don't know/think people are monopolizing the prices really. It's just something others listed as a reason why they didn't want a centralized auction house and indicated that local guild trader stores were less apt to have that happen. I'm saying if someone is determined to do that sort of thing, they will do it no matter what (auction house or guild trader store). That was my only point.
From my point of view, I just think a central auction house would be:
1. More convenient.
2. Have a greater selection where hopefully you will find what you want in one place.
3. Because of the high volume of people using it, there would be higher competition for both sellers and buyers.
There is almost always going to be someone who buys something at an outrageous price because they really want it and have the gold, and there will always be someone who is selling at an incredibly low price either because they don't know the value (but a universal AH would help with that because likely someone (maybe many people) has that item too, and you get a "going rate for it"), or just because they want a quick sale. That's what I mean by the concept of higher competition for sellers and buyers. And yes, you absolutely get that in the guild trader stores as well, but a centralized auction house would just have it on a much larger scale, without needing to go 20 different places to see what is going on in the market.
BTW, @Stopnaggin, thank you for keeping it civil too! Too often people in trying to make their point can't separate the the other person's argument/point of view from the actual person, and things get personal when they don't need to.
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✭Ahnastashia wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »Stopnaggin wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »collettd101 wrote: »Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.
Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.
And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.
Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.
Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.
In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.
Just saying.
Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.
I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.
Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.
Actually it would do the opposite as far as competition. Now you have 3 or 4 people controlling the market, and guess what? They wouldn't have to put in any effort to do so. 3 or 4 rich people could buy all the tempers, kutas, wax or whatever, but now instead of having to travel to do that, it would all be in one place.
Seriously I don't understand why people think there is some evil entity controlling guild traders. I have 3 steady trading guilds the charge 5k per week. I make 50 times that much just listing stuff I don't need. This need to have everything at your fingertips takes away from the grind that are MMO'S. All the trading guilds I'm in also host contests and raffles which comes from guild dues. Don't wanna pay, fine there are free guilds out there, but they won't be in a high traffic spot.
Maybe we're going to need to agree to disagree. I believe there would be so much traffic in a central auction house that it would be difficult for one person or even 3-4 people, to control the entire market. And as I said earlier, what makes you think that doesn't already happen now? If the only concern about a central auction house is a few people cornering the market, then have ZOS utilize internal data to see if there are people who consistently appear to be trying to monopolize the market. If they are, and they have been warned about it.. next offense, I would ban them for a few days. They keep doing it.. they would be out of the game.
That would assume there is teamwork between all guilds. I can tell you, while that may be the case for a few it's not as wide spread as everyone seems to think. The guilds I'm in usually just look at prices in the area they are located and list their wares accordingly. The guild masters do not set the prices, I set my price. I alone go in and adjust my price during the listing process.
If you think people are trying to monopolize in the current system, what would make you think an AH would be different?
Thank you for keeping it civil as that is rare anymore in these forums.
I don't know/think people are monopolizing the prices really. It's just something others listed as a reason why they didn't want a centralized auction house and indicated that local guild trader stores were less apt to have that happen. I'm saying if someone is determined to do that sort of thing, they will do it no matter what (auction house or guild trader store). That was my only point.
From my point of view, I just think a central auction house would be:
1. More convenient.
2. Have a greater selection where hopefully you will find what you want in one place.
3. Because of the high volume of people using it, there would be higher competition for both sellers and buyers.
There is almost always going to be someone who buys something at an outrageous price because they really want it and have the gold, and there will always be someone who is selling at an incredibly low price either because they don't know the value (but a universal AH would help with that because likely someone (maybe many people) has that item too, and you get a "going rate for it"), or just because they want a quick sale. That's what I mean by the concept of higher competition for sellers and buyers. And yes, you absolutely get that in the guild trader stores as well, but a centralized auction house would just have it on a much larger scale, without needing to go 20 different places to see what is going on in the market.
BTW, @Stopnaggin, thank you for keeping it civil too! Too often people in trying to make their point can't separate the the other person's argument/point of view from the actual person, and things get personal when they don't need to.
Well civil discussion will usually get better results than insulting someone. I do agree we need something to improve the current system. I wont argue that one bit. Lack of a functional search is my biggest beef atm. I'm actually pretty lucky to be in the guilds I'm in, I can usually get what I need without going through all the hassle. I generally only buy motifs from vendors, so it's not as bad for me, but I understand that's not the case for everone.0 -
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✭Some people really like being in trading guilds where they feel a personal connection to their guild and the competition for good spots drives sales and recruitment. A worldwide auction house basically kills any point in having trading guilds. Yes it's more legwork to run around Tamriel hunting for the best deal, but that's a choice you can make. You could just go to the highest trafficked spots and pay whatever they ask or hunt out in the boonies for the rare super low priced awesome item. A worldwide auction house also makes it easier to create forced inflation because super rich players can buy up all of something instantly and relist it much higher. This is much harder with a guild trader system.
Maybe a good compromise would be having a listing in the search panel with other locations in the world where an item is also posted, so you could go hunt it down there rather than having to just check everywhere aimlessly. Example: I open the guild trader window at Joe's Guild and search for a sharpened sword of Mother's Sorrow. It shows no listings at Joe's trader but then lists Deshaan-Mournhold as a location where one is posted. I port over there and check the traders to find the sword...and cry at how expensive it is.
This advice is missing a glaringly obvious issue, to get sales the guilds are forced to sell the most popular items at high prices.
So we get high prices and very little variety of goods.
My biggest complaint and always will be is the inherent unfairness of the whole system that excludes the majority of the player base from taking part in selling to the community.
There is no escaping that traders are a sticky plaster for a terrible design decision.2 -
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✭Ahnastashia wrote: »collettd101 wrote: »Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.
Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.
And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.
Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.
Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.
In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.
Just saying.
Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.
I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.
Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.
here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.
@AzuraKin I would have to assume that you were not here at launch, otherwise you would know that Guild Traders were a sticky plaster for an already broken trade system.
Having read the majority of these post regarding Auction houses I would say the majority based on those who don't like the current system out number those that do.
You can't sell to the community unless you belong to a trade Guild with a vendor, this is a finite number so your argument falls flat on it's face.1 -
AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭I feel kind of bad for anyone that can't sell 10k worth of stuff in a week. That's literally two desirable BoE green armors, a single gold temper (+1k or so), a single perfect roe, a handful of cheap motif pages, 5 BoE jewelry pieces, half a stack of rubidite ore, 20 intricate items, or 1.3 stacks of soul gems. Finding enough stuff to make back a trading requirement takes one-two hours at most, and can be done while doing pretty much anything else in the game.
Most new players don't have much worth selling on the open market. That's really the fact of the matter. Until you hit 160 you just don't have much that is desirable for the vast majority of the players in the game to buy (Alchemy mats and roe come to mind), and you don't really have the expenses that someone who is gilding their gear/running vet dungeons/trials has to do more difficult conent.
I might be against guild traders if they were in any way difficult to participate in... but it just isn't hard to get into a trading guild. I know my own (NEON Grind trading inc) is actively recruiting to help pay for our trader (Raz, in Mournhold. A high-traffic, high-volume area and quite expensive) and I see recruitment shouts for other guilds on NA/PC for trade guilds with moderate-high traffic traders daily as well. Hell, I had to turn down a trading guild invite some of my PvP sent me to because I don't want to sell in multiple trade guilds.
In weeks where we are having trouble keeping Raz (Again, lots of competition for him. He's a capital trader in a very accessible spot) I've even spotted 5k in cash. 5k is really peanuts in PC/NA, and this is coming from a player who is relatively dirt poor.
20 intricate items is 10k? what universe are you living in? post 150-250 and you may or may not sell them in a months time.v160 spellsword (nightblade)
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Stopnaggin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cherryblossom wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »collettd101 wrote: »Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.
Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.
And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.
Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.
Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.
In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.
Just saying.
Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.
I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.
Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.
here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.
@AzuraKin I would have to assume that you were not here at launch, otherwise you would know that Guild Traders were a sticky plaster for an already broken trade system.
Having read the majority of these post regarding Auction houses I would say the majority based on those who don't like the current system out number those that do.
You can't sell to the community unless you belong to a trade Guild with a vendor, this is a finite number so your argument falls flat on it's face.
And that statement is entirely opnion, where are the numbers that back that up. Neither you or I have any number to counter who supports what. So that argument falls flat.0 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »collettd101 wrote: »Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.
Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.
And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.
Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.
Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.
In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.
Just saying.
Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.
I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.
Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.
here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.
@AzuraKin I would have to assume that you were not here at launch, otherwise you would know that Guild Traders were a sticky plaster for an already broken trade system.
Having read the majority of these post regarding Auction houses I would say the majority based on those who don't like the current system out number those that do.
You can't sell to the community unless you belong to a trade Guild with a vendor, this is a finite number so your argument falls flat on it's face.
i was here at launch and the guild trader system was, and still is, a good idea.
the bit i put in bold is just plain wrong..... i am not in a trade guild and i have no problem whatsoever selling or buying to and from the community.2 -
AzuraKin✭✭✭✭✭Stopnaggin wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »collettd101 wrote: »Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.
Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.
And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.
Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.
Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.
In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.
Just saying.
Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.
I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.
Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.
here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.
@AzuraKin I would have to assume that you were not here at launch, otherwise you would know that Guild Traders were a sticky plaster for an already broken trade system.
Having read the majority of these post regarding Auction houses I would say the majority based on those who don't like the current system out number those that do.
You can't sell to the community unless you belong to a trade Guild with a vendor, this is a finite number so your argument falls flat on it's face.
And that statement is entirely opnion, where are the numbers that back that up. Neither you or I have any number to counter who supports what. So that argument falls flat.
i sell hundreds of intricate items in just last 2 months.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »collettd101 wrote: »Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.
Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.
And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.
Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.
Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.
In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.
Just saying.
Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.
I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.
Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.
here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.
@AzuraKin I would have to assume that you were not here at launch, otherwise you would know that Guild Traders were a sticky plaster for an already broken trade system.
Having read the majority of these post regarding Auction houses I would say the majority based on those who don't like the current system out number those that do.
You can't sell to the community unless you belong to a trade Guild with a vendor, this is a finite number so your argument falls flat on it's face.
i was here at launch and the guild trader system was, and still is, a good idea.
the bit i put in bold is just plain wrong..... i am not in a trade guild and i have no problem whatsoever selling or buying to and from the community.
i have played since day 1 dude. go look at my posts about trade guilds including the one you quoted.Edited by AzuraKin on November 29, 2016 5:39PMv160 spellsword (nightblade)
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✭One thing I have wanted since day one with the guild traders is a way to find your favorite traders. I've noticed that certain guilds will carry better selections of certain kinds of products. They are not always huge trade guilds. I would like to be able to visit a "Guild Traders Association" somewhere and view a roster of all of the traders and their location with an option to port to them for a small fee. That would be tremendously helpful.
Another thing I've often griped about is that you don't get to see the winning bid amount for the trader that you were trying to get. My guild is out of commission for a week and I don't know if I lost by 5 gold or 5 million gold. That's just messed up.
Going back to the Guild Traders Association previously referenced, perhaps an additional column on the list should be most recent winning bid. That would help the small and medium size guilds figure out where they might actually have a chance in a bid.
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gard✭✭✭✭✭I belong to two large trade guilds. Neither one charges fees. They do have auctions and such to raise trader money.
All of my buying and selling, I do through them.
If neither have an item I'm looking for, I farm it myself rather than running all around tamriel like a black friday shopper.
So OP, if you don't like guild traders, don't use em.
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gard✭✭✭✭✭Everything worthwhile is bound now.
Other than the odd potion or crafting materials, what's there to buy?
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✭✭✭✭✭Skinless_Jerk wrote: »what about a search bar like PC has? where i just type in SPINNERS .... oh the little things
Agree. Desperately needed on console. Now that text chat is out, ZOS has reason to assume many players will have keyboards.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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I had commented on this in the crafting forums. I spent a large portion of my day running between guild traders in search of low-level mats. It was a waste of time - time I could have spent actually doing quests, running dungeons, or farm low-level crafting mats with my master crafter (another story). It was a miserable experience as there were a few traders who had no items to sell.
There are a few things that are nothing more than blatant time sinks in this game (hello, crafting. hello, mount training. hello, running from guild trader to guild trader. etc.).
If I wanted boring tedium in a game then I'd play a game that's patterned after my day job, tyvm.3 -
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✭✭No need to start a new thread, I'll just add to this one. Whether my guilds have a trader or not, most of my stuff ends up getting bought by someone. This is good. Since I'm basically just using it as extra storage anyways.
My biggest problem is when I'm looking for things. I loathe going to different traders all over the place looking for set pieces I want to try out. It's the worst.
And buying mats for writs and the prices are all over the place for the same thing. Why is that? Because you're making uninformed decisions based on a few traders in hub locations.0 -
Akevoriath✭✭✭The only people that seem to love the current system and are 100 % against having an option for both are the people who are making money from the current system, people who have enough time to waste playing the markets in multiple guild traders, when a global auction house would benefit everyone. It's not hard to make money in the game, sure, but it's also not fun, not convenient and doesn't really matter because there isn't really that much to spend your money on anyway. A global auction house would make things more competitive, people would get better deals and things would be fairer. Maybe one person with millions upon millions of gold would try and cheat by buying every single item of a certain type but that isn't a problem in Guild Wars 2 (surprisingly) so if ZOS took similar steps to make such a thing hard or impossible to do then it would be a 100 % improvement over the current system. Really the only argument against an auction house that I've seen in this thread is "I make money with guild traders and I don't care that other people want to actually play the game rather than waste time they don't have playing a virtual market" it's silly really, but that's people for you.
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Only people that like the current system are the people who make millions from it and just don't want other people to be able to do the same unless they sacrifice time that they could spend actually playing the game. Despite the fact that most people just want a simple, convenient and logical way to purchase the items they need and don't care about making millions in a virtual game..4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Akevoriath wrote: »
TL;DR
Only people that like the current system are the people who make millions from it and just don't want other people to be able to do the same unless they sacrifice time that they could spend actually playing the game. Despite the fact that most people just want a simple, convenient and logical way to purchase the items they need and don't care about making millions in a virtual game..
This is so untrue.
I make millions from it. I am a day or so from my next million. I want YOU to enjoy the Guild Traders as much as I am, and to make your own million from it, or not, as you please.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭Akevoriath wrote: »The only people that seem to love the current system and are 100 % against having an option for both are the people who are making money from the current system, people who have enough time to waste playing the markets in multiple guild traders, when a global auction house would benefit everyone. It's not hard to make money in the game, sure, but it's also not fun, not convenient and doesn't really matter because there isn't really that much to spend your money on anyway. A global auction house would make things more competitive, people would get better deals and things would be fairer. Maybe one person with millions upon millions of gold would try and cheat by buying every single item of a certain type but that isn't a problem in Guild Wars 2 (surprisingly) so if ZOS took similar steps to make such a thing hard or impossible to do then it would be a 100 % improvement over the current system. Really the only argument against an auction house that I've seen in this thread is "I make money with guild traders and I don't care that other people want to actually play the game rather than waste time they don't have playing a virtual market" it's silly really, but that's people for you.
TL;DR
Only people that like the current system are the people who make millions from it and just don't want other people to be able to do the same unless they sacrifice time that they could spend actually playing the game. Despite the fact that most people just want a simple, convenient and logical way to purchase the items they need and don't care about making millions in a virtual game..
Cool beans. Way to generalize there sport. Guess all those folks who have been playing mmos with an AH for years and didn't like it and never made much using it are make believe. Surely enjoying a game and benefitting from the systems in place equates to not wanting others to succeed and demanding they waste their precious time doing the same. Everyone I know thinks the traders are fantastic, though they could use a few qol tweaks. Perhaps I know more people in game than you. If that's the case then you must be wrong about your assumptions and I can safely conclude that everyone who wants an AH is too dumb or lazy to use the current system.2 -
Skinless_Jerk✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Akevoriath wrote: »The only people that seem to love the current system and are 100 % against having an option for both are the people who are making money from the current system, people who have enough time to waste playing the markets in multiple guild traders, when a global auction house would benefit everyone. It's not hard to make money in the game, sure, but it's also not fun, not convenient and doesn't really matter because there isn't really that much to spend your money on anyway. A global auction house would make things more competitive, people would get better deals and things would be fairer. Maybe one person with millions upon millions of gold would try and cheat by buying every single item of a certain type but that isn't a problem in Guild Wars 2 (surprisingly) so if ZOS took similar steps to make such a thing hard or impossible to do then it would be a 100 % improvement over the current system. Really the only argument against an auction house that I've seen in this thread is "I make money with guild traders and I don't care that other people want to actually play the game rather than waste time they don't have playing a virtual market" it's silly really, but that's people for you.
TL;DR
Only people that like the current system are the people who make millions from it and just don't want other people to be able to do the same unless they sacrifice time that they could spend actually playing the game. Despite the fact that most people just want a simple, convenient and logical way to purchase the items they need and don't care about making millions in a virtual game..
Cool beans. Way to generalize there sport. Guess all those folks who have been playing mmos with an AH for years and didn't like it and never made much using it are make believe. Surely enjoying a game and benefitting from the systems in place equates to not wanting others to succeed and demanding they waste their precious time doing the same. Everyone I know thinks the traders are fantastic, though they could use a few qol tweaks. Perhaps I know more people in game than you. If that's the case then you must be wrong about your assumptions and I can safely conclude that everyone who wants an AH is too dumb or lazy to use the current system.
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✭✭Skinless_Jerk wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Akevoriath wrote: »The only people that seem to love the current system and are 100 % against having an option for both are the people who are making money from the current system, people who have enough time to waste playing the markets in multiple guild traders, when a global auction house would benefit everyone. It's not hard to make money in the game, sure, but it's also not fun, not convenient and doesn't really matter because there isn't really that much to spend your money on anyway. A global auction house would make things more competitive, people would get better deals and things would be fairer. Maybe one person with millions upon millions of gold would try and cheat by buying every single item of a certain type but that isn't a problem in Guild Wars 2 (surprisingly) so if ZOS took similar steps to make such a thing hard or impossible to do then it would be a 100 % improvement over the current system. Really the only argument against an auction house that I've seen in this thread is "I make money with guild traders and I don't care that other people want to actually play the game rather than waste time they don't have playing a virtual market" it's silly really, but that's people for you.
TL;DR
Only people that like the current system are the people who make millions from it and just don't want other people to be able to do the same unless they sacrifice time that they could spend actually playing the game. Despite the fact that most people just want a simple, convenient and logical way to purchase the items they need and don't care about making millions in a virtual game..
Cool beans. Way to generalize there sport. Guess all those folks who have been playing mmos with an AH for years and didn't like it and never made much using it are make believe. Surely enjoying a game and benefitting from the systems in place equates to not wanting others to succeed and demanding they waste their precious time doing the same. Everyone I know thinks the traders are fantastic, though they could use a few qol tweaks. Perhaps I know more people in game than you. If that's the case then you must be wrong about your assumptions and I can safely conclude that everyone who wants an AH is too dumb or lazy to use the current system.
or doesn't have the time you have...
Could be. Though at a few hours a night, a few nights a week, they'd barely be playing at all if they were on less than that. 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Skinless_Jerk wrote: »or doesn't have the time you have...
If a player doesn't have the time for trading and selling, they can still join a casual trading guild ... and sell/trade on their own terms (whether that's every other day, once a week, or whatever).
It's as simple as that.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Akevoriath wrote: »TL;DR
Only people that like the current system are the people who make millions from it and just don't want other people to be able to do the same unless they sacrifice time that they could spend actually playing the game. Despite the fact that most people just want a simple, convenient and logical way to purchase the items they need and don't care about making millions in a virtual game..
Actually, I enjoy the guild trader system far more as a buyer than as a seller. But I don't log in one day and decide I need to have something rare within five minutes. I take my time, I check traders as I go about my normal game play. But it's lots of fun finding something at a good price at an out of the way trader. If I don't care what price I'm paying, it's pretty easy to find most things in the first large centre.
I find the guild trader system fits into the world in a much better way than a centralized AH would.
Now, I am a member of a large trading guild that usually secures a good trader. I also am in a smaller social guild that usually secures a trader. And in a smaller trading guild that hasn't had a trader for months. But I still list things there and sell internally.
From a seller perspective, I tend to sell lower value items, so I'm never a top seller in any of my guilds unless I get really lucky with a drop. But usually I sell mats and green gear in the low hundreds. It adds up, but I make just as much silver from just vendoring trash.
Now, I also play Black Desert, which does have an AH and I don't like it. I'm forced to use it because there is no other way of trading things and the game is really designed to force you to trade rather than vendor things. But anything that is sought after is constantly sold out and you have to spend all your time either camping the marketplace or being ready to drop whatever you are doing and logging into an alt every time the item you want is listed. I don't find that enjoyable at all.
In GW2, I only ever used the "sell immediately" option in their AH. I don't even know what that does, but it does absolutely not interest me.
Whereas in this game, I find the markets fascinating. I love it when they change a game mechanic and something changes value, usually as a by-product. Like when Psijic Ambrosia was first introduced and the price of fish plummeted.
So yes, some of us enjoy the trader system even if we don't make millions from it on a regular basis. And we know that not all guilds that have a trader are even trading guilds per se and don't have sales requirements. We enjoy the system as something that fits into the atmosphere of the game and incorporate it into our game play.
And we feel that a centralized auction house would be detrimental to what makes ESO special.
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✭Stopnaggin wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »collettd101 wrote: »Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.
Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.
And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.
Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.
Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.
In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.
Just saying.
Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.
I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.
Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.
here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.
@AzuraKin I would have to assume that you were not here at launch, otherwise you would know that Guild Traders were a sticky plaster for an already broken trade system.
Having read the majority of these post regarding Auction houses I would say the majority based on those who don't like the current system out number those that do.
You can't sell to the community unless you belong to a trade Guild with a vendor, this is a finite number so your argument falls flat on it's face.
And that statement is entirely opnion, where are the numbers that back that up. Neither you or I have any number to counter who supports what. So that argument falls flat.
i sell hundreds of intricate items in just last 2 months.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »Ahnastashia wrote: »collettd101 wrote: »Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.
Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.
And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.
Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.
Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.
In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.
Just saying.
Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.
I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.
Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.
here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.
@AzuraKin I would have to assume that you were not here at launch, otherwise you would know that Guild Traders were a sticky plaster for an already broken trade system.
Having read the majority of these post regarding Auction houses I would say the majority based on those who don't like the current system out number those that do.
You can't sell to the community unless you belong to a trade Guild with a vendor, this is a finite number so your argument falls flat on it's face.
i was here at launch and the guild trader system was, and still is, a good idea.
the bit i put in bold is just plain wrong..... i am not in a trade guild and i have no problem whatsoever selling or buying to and from the community.
i have played since day 1 dude. go look at my posts about trade guilds including the one you quoted.
And what did I say aboutAkevoriath wrote: »The only people that seem to love the current system and are 100 % against having an option for both are the people who are making money from the current system, people who have enough time to waste playing the markets in multiple guild traders, when a global auction house would benefit everyone. It's not hard to make money in the game, sure, but it's also not fun, not convenient and doesn't really matter because there isn't really that much to spend your money on anyway. A global auction house would make things more competitive, people would get better deals and things would be fairer. Maybe one person with millions upon millions of gold would try and cheat by buying every single item of a certain type but that isn't a problem in Guild Wars 2 (surprisingly) so if ZOS took similar steps to make such a thing hard or impossible to do then it would be a 100 % improvement over the current system. Really the only argument against an auction house that I've seen in this thread is "I make money with guild traders and I don't care that other people want to actually play the game rather than waste time they don't have playing a virtual market" it's silly really, but that's people for you.
TL;DR
Only people that like the current system are the people who make millions from it and just don't want other people to be able to do the same unless they sacrifice time that they could spend actually playing the game. Despite the fact that most people just want a simple, convenient and logical way to purchase the items they need and don't care about making millions in a virtual game..
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EZgoin76✭✭✭✭First of all those of you saying that one group or the other is the majority / minority, you my friend are f.o.s. Truth is you have no freaking clue either way so stop making things up.
That being said, there will never be a global auction house. The way the servers and server shards are set up make it impossible.
The current system on console is absolutely terrible. At least PC has add-ons to alleviate the worst of the problems. Console UI needs revamped. Possibly implement the add-ons from PC as part of the base game would be a good start imo.
Someone in another thread brought up an extra guild trader in each major city that allowed anyone to sell through at a greater cut. I think this is also a good idea for casual players who want more than a vendor will pay but get less than they would by being a member of a guild.
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Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭Personally I hate the guild trader system. It basically forces you to play this game each and every day just so you can pay the weekly fee. If not you're kicked from the guild. So joining a guild just to be able to sell has become a luxury. A ridiculous luxury with an entry price.
It's as if ZOS is brainwashing and injecting their rotten, greedy, idiotic, stupid ideas in the minds of the feeble guild masters who own a trader in each region's capital city."Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance2 -
deevoh1991✭✭✭i don't like the idea of having to be part of a group to sell items. Why can't we all have our own shops or universal trader with a searchable UI?
most people play to aquire items. Its horrible trying to trade in console.PSN GT : Divzor1 -
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✭Fallen_Ray wrote: »Personally I hate the guild trader system. It basically forces you to play this game each and every day just so you can pay the weekly fee. If not you're kicked from the guild. So joining a guild just to be able to sell has become a luxury. A ridiculous luxury with an entry price.
It's as if ZOS is brainwashing and injecting their rotten, greedy, idiotic, stupid ideas in the minds of the feeble guild masters who own a trader in each region's capital city.
I could only log in once a week and cover any dues. 5k in a week is easy, I could make that with green recipes in a week.
No one forces you to do anything, you can sell your stuff to NPC vendors if you wish. Which if you can't make the 5k dues in a week, may be a better option for you anyway. He'll I sell my junk to NPC vendor and make 100K in a couple of days.0 -
Skinless_Jerk✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Skinless_Jerk wrote: »or doesn't have the time you have...
If a player doesn't have the time for trading and selling, they can still join a casual trading guild ... and sell/trade on their own terms (whether that's every other day, once a week, or whatever).
It's as simple as that.
that makes little sense - if a player doesnt have time for trading or selling... your theory is join a trading guild even though that person doesnt have time to do such trading haha. no, join a community because they are so much easier and far less of a potch ... and, oh, cheaper
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✭✭✭✭✭Skinless_Jerk wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »Skinless_Jerk wrote: »or doesn't have the time you have...
If a player doesn't have the time for trading and selling, they can still join a casual trading guild ... and sell/trade on their own terms (whether that's every other day, once a week, or whatever).
It's as simple as that.
that makes little sense - if a player doesnt have time for trading or selling... your theory is join a trading guild even though that person doesnt have time to do such trading haha. no, join a community because they are so much easier and far less of a potch ... and, oh, cheaper
No counter for my argument ... so that's the best you could post??
There are all sorts of casual trading guilds out there for players who only want to sell a few items every now and then. I used to be in one of those guilds ... we had a guild trader in Bangkorai. Casual environment, friendly guildies ... but I needed a PvE guild back then and had to drop. Not to mention that guilds offer a social environment that an Auction House doesn't.
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