Guild Traders, a thoroughly miserable experience

TerraDewBerry

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

or doesn't have the time you have...

If a player doesn't have the time for trading and selling, they can still join a casual trading guild ... and sell/trade on their own terms (whether that's every other day, once a week, or whatever).

It's as simple as that.

that makes little sense - if a player doesnt have time for trading or selling... your theory is join a trading guild even though that person doesnt have time to do such trading haha. no, join a community because they are so much easier and far less of a potch ... and, oh, cheaper

No counter for my argument ... so that's the best you could post??

There are all sorts of casual trading guilds out there for players who only want to sell a few items every now and then. I used to be in one of those guilds ... we had a guild trader in Bangkorai. Casual environment, friendly guildies ... but I needed a PvE guild back then and had to drop. Not to mention that guilds offer a social environment that an Auction House doesn't.

No one is saying to do away with guilds. I happen to like being in more than one guild. I just happen to also really hate the guild trader store option. I'm not in this situation currently, but I have been in the situation in the past where I was in 5 different guilds and each and every one of them was trying to have the money for a guild trader in a "good spot" so I was asked to donate, give gold, sell X amount or buy tickets to help support 5 different guilds. That was a mess, and I hated it!

A central auction house would not mean the removal of guilds. People would just not be hounded for donations, gold, sell X amount etc to support a guild trader store, or if ZOS decided to have both the guild trader stores and a central auction house, people would have a choice about how they wanted to buy and sell things in the game.

Elsonso

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

Personally I hate the guild trader system. It basically forces you to play this game each and every day just so you can pay the weekly fee. If not you're kicked from the guild. So joining a guild just to be able to sell has become a luxury. A ridiculous luxury with an entry price.

It's as if ZOS is brainwashing and injecting their rotten, greedy, idiotic, stupid ideas in the minds of the feeble guild masters who own a trader in each region's capital city.

I guess it depends on the server.

I am in two guilds on PC NA that have a trader and do not ask anything of me. I can go a week without logging in. I don't have to sell stuff using their trader. They have never bothered me about membership in the guild. Not once.

kamimark

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

If you're on PC/Mac, Awesome Guild Store & Master Merchant add-ons change the buying experience entirely, you can favorite searches and quickly search for entire categories, and see what's an appropriate price. Searching 5 traders takes under a minute, and you just do it as you pass thru each city or a lone trader on the road. On console, this is a lot less convenient.

As for selling, don't try to be in the high-end trade guilds unless you have high-end trading to do, go to a lower-tier city and listen for guilds advertising for casual friendly trading. At 3.9Mg, I can afford a couple good guilds and a couple casuals, and make a steady profit over raffle/membership fees. I assure you I don't have a raiding toilet, just sell good items & mats I pick up doing dailies and rarely story quests.

AzuraKin

look if they have a 2000 sales requirement and you dont make the 2000 sales requirement, guess what donate the difference and they wont kick.

Elsonso

AzuraKin wrote: »

look if they have a 2000 sales requirement and you dont make the 2000 sales requirement, guess what donate the difference and they wont kick.

More importantly, if they have a 2000 sales requirement, and they don't want to do 2000 sales, why are they in that guild? Find a guild that better suits the player.

Anslay

Cherryblossom wrote: »

My biggest complaint and always will be is the inherent unfairness of the whole system that excludes the majority of the player base from taking part in selling to the community.

As someone always recruiting for two trading guilds, this statement confuses me tremendously.

MakoFore

i like it.

i mean back in the day- before the inter web this is what it was like- having to foot it to find a particular record/whatever- and when u got it- it was great.

i do agree each store should have a search system- a better way of browsing thru wares that is more graphical and enjoyable, rather than moving thru an excel sheet. maybe a physical world we could rummage thru.
but i like the idea of not having a centralised stock exchange or search system. this is meant to be tamriel after all- 3rd age or something, the inter web dosent come in til the 5th age at least

Astanphaeus

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

Personally I hate the guild trader system. It basically forces you to play this game each and every day just so you can pay the weekly fee. If not you're kicked from the guild. So joining a guild just to be able to sell has become a luxury. A ridiculous luxury with an entry price.

It's as if ZOS is brainwashing and injecting their rotten, greedy, idiotic, stupid ideas in the minds of the feeble guild masters who own a trader in each region's capital city.

If by weekly fee, you mean meet the sales quota which is all most guilds require, you shouldn't need to play that much to meet it. The problem a lot of people have is that they don't know how to pace their sales. On PC/NA, I'm in a Mournhold Trade Guild with a 3k sales requirement. Kutas sell for more than the sales requirement, so I have a stash of them that I sell whenever I know I won't otherwise meet my quota. I don't just throw them all up for sale when I get them. And honestly with how frequently Kutas drop now, if you pick up just some of the nodes you pass, you'll probably get one. The only reason I don't always is that I am primarily a PvP player and have gone a couple weeks without leaving Cyro and you only stop for Columbine in Cyrodiil.

jedtb16_ESO

AzuraKin wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.

And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.

Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.

Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.

In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.

Just saying.

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.

I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.

Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.

here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.

@AzuraKin I would have to assume that you were not here at launch, otherwise you would know that Guild Traders were a sticky plaster for an already broken trade system.

Having read the majority of these post regarding Auction houses I would say the majority based on those who don't like the current system out number those that do.

You can't sell to the community unless you belong to a trade Guild with a vendor, this is a finite number so your argument falls flat on it's face.

And that statement is entirely opnion, where are the numbers that back that up. Neither you or I have any number to counter who supports what. So that argument falls flat.

i sell hundreds of intricate items in just last 2 months.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.

And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.

Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.

Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.

In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.

Just saying.

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.

I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.

Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.

here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.

@AzuraKin I would have to assume that you were not here at launch, otherwise you would know that Guild Traders were a sticky plaster for an already broken trade system.

Having read the majority of these post regarding Auction houses I would say the majority based on those who don't like the current system out number those that do.

You can't sell to the community unless you belong to a trade Guild with a vendor, this is a finite number so your argument falls flat on it's face.

i was here at launch and the guild trader system was, and still is, a good idea.

the bit i put in bold is just plain wrong..... i am not in a trade guild and i have no problem whatsoever selling or buying to and from the community.

i have played since day 1 dude. go look at my posts about trade guilds including the one you quoted.

slow down sport...... i was replying to cherryblossoms post not yours

KimoBitz

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

ADD AN ACTIOUN HOUSE PLEASE

Jeremy

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Yep. It's a crappy system - especially for casual players like yourself who cannot commit long term to a large trading guild. I've been criticizing it for what seems like years.

Now that they have got their dungeon finder functioning - it's probably what I would consider the biggest design flaw in the game currently. Players should not have to commit to a guild to do something as basic as sell their goods on the market.

AzuraKin

Jeremy wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Yep. It's a crappy system - especially for casual players like yourself who cannot commit long term to a large trading guild. I've been criticizing it for what seems like years.

Now that they have got their dungeon finder functioning - it's probably what I would consider the biggest design flaw in the game currently. Players should not have to commit to a guild to do something as basic as sell their goods on the market.

you dont, you can sell in zone chat.

jedtb16_ESO

AzuraKin wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Yep. It's a crappy system - especially for casual players like yourself who cannot commit long term to a large trading guild. I've been criticizing it for what seems like years.

Now that they have got their dungeon finder functioning - it's probably what I would consider the biggest design flaw in the game currently. Players should not have to commit to a guild to do something as basic as sell their goods on the market.

you dont, you can sell in zone chat.

exactly.

or you can take another option.... network. be sociable, use your friends list, find out what other people are after.

that way you don't have to use either /z or a guild.

be sociable, it is an mmo after all.

Stopnaggin

AzuraKin wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Yep. It's a crappy system - especially for casual players like yourself who cannot commit long term to a large trading guild. I've been criticizing it for what seems like years.

Now that they have got their dungeon finder functioning - it's probably what I would consider the biggest design flaw in the game currently. Players should not have to commit to a guild to do something as basic as sell their goods on the market.

you dont, you can sell in zone chat.

Actually most hot items never make it to guild traders, example spinner sharpened swords. One quick text link and offers flood in. I know many people that make a killing in zone chat. My high end items never get a chance to make it to the guild store.