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Think they'll nerf a few things that are still op but people seem to have forgot about?
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Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Do I think they'll fix whats broken...lol nope.
All they will do is make some overpowered things so bad that no one will ever use them again.Edited by Thornen on November 28, 2016 5:28PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I always get a laugh out of these nerf posts.
Knew a player who QQed about DKs, temps and NBs when he was on his sorc. After he leveled up a NB he QQed about Sorcs, DKs and temps. Of course when he went back to his Sorc and it was back to complaining about the earlier 3 classes.
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Dev✭✭✭✭i have a better idea: Why doesnt ZOS just get rid of PVP instead? This way they wouldn't have to worry about any of these nerfs?
All it would take is a PVE version of Cyrodil. Once we as a player base can acquire the skills/skyshards/quests/ect without the pvp aspect, people would realize how small the 'pvp' community is and then can treat it accordingly.
I am getting tired of all the bad nerfs because a small group of people want to pvp!!! PVP has never worked, doesn't work today and will not work tomorrow. Even if they did every nerf on this list, it wouldnt take a week before the next nerf list was being made.
And for what? a very vocal minority which promises to leave every patch, and yet they fail to actually leave! A portion of the game which can never be balanced? Basically just keep nerfing everything until everyone quits?
Enough is enough, no more nerfs. If they dont like the game as is, then let them leave.
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SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭I think the issue with PvP vs PvE is that some skills that are stupidly OP in PvP are still needed as is for a class to be viable in PvE.
We know ZOS can set things to work differently in PvP... Battle Spirit is proof of that. So why not let some of the tweaks work only in PvP as well?Why be normal when you can be better?
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »Malubeth op? It's one of the worst monster sets. 30% healing taken for 4 seconds vs a pot which lasts 44 seconds and a 1.5k per sec heal. You can use almost anything else and do better.
WTF are you talking about? You can use both simultaneously..
Fact
Malubeth >>> Maw & Chudan
There is no way they stack, it's the same buff.
Basically for the same proc chance you can get effects that are far better like bs and pirate. 1.5k heal for 4 seconds vs a pot that gives 1k for 45 seconds.
That 4 second buff does nothing for heals from other sources because the chance of then syncing are so low due to the brief duration.0 -
RazorCaltrops✭✭✭SolarCat02 wrote: »I think the issue with PvP vs PvE is that some skills that are stupidly OP in PvP are still needed as is for a class to be viable in PvE.
We know ZOS can set things to work differently in PvP... Battle Spirit is proof of that. So why not let some of the tweaks work only in PvP as well?
No balance/nerf demands from PVP and their implementations ever ruined PVE. Stam regen while block ? Removing Bracing for Wrath Passive and moving the block cost CPs to green tree ? Shield durations ? Next time proc sets.
PVE is doing fine, and will do. But PVP is an utter mess now.
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✭This is the unfortunate state of this game's PvP. Even if ZoS manages to do a complete 180 and balance procs without breaking something else, there are 10 layers of imbalance underneath that were never addressed in the past, but rather made obsolete by adding something even more OP. You can either try to peel away at 2 years of that, or just add more OP things until this game eventually plays itself.
At this point I just want a 1.5 server.0 -
Dev✭✭✭✭RazorCaltrops wrote: »PVE is doing fine, and will do. But PVP is an utter mess now.
PVP has always been a mess.
There have been skills which have been nerfed for PVP such as puncturing sweeps having the push back and its damage reduced since its original release. Sure its 'ok' now, but it was nerfed to the floor at one point and even after the 'fixes', it is not as good as it was before.
There have been proc sets such as skoria for quite a while, black rose and others since IC DLC and then veli came with SoH DLC. The only thing that 1T did was make some more options available to what was always an issue. Its not the fact that there are 'powerful' sets but the fact that 1T made them available to everyone. One shot kill builds have existed since the release of ESO, and not just something new to 1T.
Get rid of PVP and most of these issues would go away.
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✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »Malubeth op? It's one of the worst monster sets. 30% healing taken for 4 seconds vs a pot which lasts 44 seconds and a 1.5k per sec heal. You can use almost anything else and do better.
WTF are you talking about? You can use both simultaneously..
Fact
Malubeth >>> Maw & Chudan
There is no way they stack, it's the same buff.
Basically for the same proc chance you can get effects that are far better like bs and pirate. 1.5k heal for 4 seconds vs a pot that gives 1k for 45 seconds.
That 4 second buff does nothing for heals from other sources because the chance of then syncing are so low due to the brief duration.
They stack.PS4 EU DC
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Kram8ion✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good god there's not much left
Well I suppose it's time for an emote only campaign in cyrodil oh no wait that sitting on a chair emote is so op #nerfpushupsAussie lag is real!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nerf nerfs"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
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✭What happens when op faces op? They balance out.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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✭Jeez some people's responses is to get rid of pvp should look on the cover of the game they bought maybe even log in screen #oborousAussie lag is real!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Jeez some people's responses is to get rid of pvp should look on the cover of the game they bought maybe even log in screen #oborous
Nah this is more people who have played too much of pvp and miss pvp when it was actually good and about skill.
Before it got more noob and casual friendly and the skill gap between bad players got shortened because of bad patches with bad armor sets and bad buff's. Not the fact the worse players actually attempted to get better.
Let me guess veli/viper nb?PS4 EU DC
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Christ man go destroy a different game.
Games already been destroyed to be honest, it's a laggy mess where armor does the pveing/pvping for you.Edited by leepalmer95 on November 28, 2016 11:40PMPS4 EU DC
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭there's nothing wrong with Incapacitating Strike, it's the same now as it was at beta and even at launch around 3 years ago. its not causing problems and is the equivalent of the stupid fragments and lightning from the sorcerers.
they both do the same amount of damage and both do the same knock down, the only difference is our incap is an ultimate and yours are not.
i only use incap once during fights.Edited by Gilvoth on November 28, 2016 11:43PM0 -
SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭When did this community become so salty?
Why don't you just post the setups of the characters you can kill and ask ZOS to limit every other person to this build?????
And isn't the very definition of over powered something that is out performing every other skill/set in the game? Considering at any given time there's about 30 different things people are crying over being OP, surely it means the absolute vast majority can't be op as there are so many skills being labeled OP. What you all should be saying is "I'm struggling to dominate on my current build and I don't like it".....Edited by SirDopey on November 28, 2016 11:49PMNA PC | AD
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »there's nothing wrong with Incapacitating Strike, it's the same now as it was at beta and even at launch around 3 years ago. its not causing problems and is the equivalent of the stupid fragments and lightning from the sorcerers.
they both do the same amount of damage and both do the same knock down, the only difference is our incap is an ultimate and yours are not.
Your saying 'we' like i only play sorc? I play every class.
Stop comparing overload to incap, it's not comparable... it doesn't knockdown either..
Incap costs 50 ult, cc's, causes all of your dmg to increase by 20% to that player as well as giving major defile on top of it.
You can literally incap and kill someone and have it up straight away to incap another. It's that frequent it's not even a ult anymore most nb's just put it in as part of their rotation.
Also FYI it's not the same, if you actually played the gane and knew what your on about it never used to cc 100% it only used too if your hp was lower which was a good tradeoff. Also it's dmg used to scale off ultimate so if you stacked 1000 ultimate you could 1 hit anything.
Please don't speak of things you know nothing about.Edited by leepalmer95 on November 28, 2016 11:47PMPS4 EU DC
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Not even close in fact the game is growing.
You would loose roughly 20% of gaming population with your nerf list and still be no closer to balance minus a lot of people.
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Jeez some people's responses is to get rid of pvp should look on the cover of the game they bought maybe even log in screen #oborous
Nah this is more people who have played too much of pvp and miss pvp when it was actually good and about skill.
Before it got more noob and casual friendly and the skill gap between bad players got shortened because of bad patches with bad armor sets and bad buff's. Not the fact the worse players actually attempted to get better.
Let me guess veli/viper nb?
No actually I'm still using marksman
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Not even close in fact the game is growing.
You would loose roughly 20% of gaming population with your nerf list and still be no closer to balance minus a lot of people.
Would it? wow 20%?
Says who? You? Because skills get balanced from every class 20% of the pop will leave?
Facts pulled out of nowhere don't help a discussion.
This forum is so useless nowdays, notice that most people only comment and say this skill X is fine, it's perfectly balanced. Most forum warriors on here don't care about balance they just see something about their class and decide to spam defend it. I see why Zos doesn't even take notice of this forum anymore it's just toxic and useless.
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✭✭✭✭✭eh, you have a few good points OP, but waaaay too much whining about every little thing to really be taken seriously-- @xaraan --
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Jimbullbee85✭✭✭✭Phew! Sooooo glad the OP didn't mention jesus beam.
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✭✭✭✭✭Jimbullbee85 wrote: »Phew! Sooooo glad the OP didn't mention jesus beam.
ty for reminding mePS4 EU DC
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Jimbullbee85✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Jimbullbee85 wrote: »Phew! Sooooo glad the OP didn't mention jesus beam.
ty for reminding me
Bollocks
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chaserstorm16909✭✭✭✭✭"nb can just cloak it" - referring to dots
In many cases this in not true. Cloak is still badly broken and many dots pull you out of cloak rather than being suppressed by it, instantly making you a sitting duck.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭chaserstorm16909 wrote: »"nb can just cloak it" - referring to dots
In many cases this in not true. Cloak is still badly broken and many dots pull you out of cloak rather than being suppressed by it, instantly making you a sitting duck.
its more all gap closers bringing you out of cloak mostly.
Doesn't help everyone has massive aoe's now days, stam sorc's, grothdarr etc..PS4 EU DC
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✭✭✭✭All this and no mention of zergs using swarm mother to drag you into the middle of 40 enemies?
Like, there aren't enough instances of CC and fear where OTHER people control your character FOR you. They have to add this...Edited by Minalan on November 29, 2016 12:22AM0
