Abeille wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

Shame on me... I joined the viper army today

You thought I was going to use the Game of Thrones shame gif, didn't you?
Yeah, no, my gif-quoting skills are unpredictable.

Lol i guess?

No shame, but really i feel like a sheep...

No. No collision detection. Besides the lag it would be utter chaos. Not to mention you could hardcore troll people with it. It sounds like a simple fix but it would be more disastrous than the current proc set hero meta.

People are overreacting due to their own negative experiences that have come with this last update. I am going to point out a few things I see wrong throughout this thread.
1) Competitive pvp shouldnt have an rng element
- there are many competitive games that have rng factor into winning or losing. For example, pokemon has crit and status effects that have a chance of application and other effects. It is still a competitive game.
- Random procs are not bad on themselves, they are just highly unbalanced. They do too much damage, have too high chances, or are too easy to apply. Make all proc sets like Skoria and Nerienth. They either force you into a specific build with low chance of proc or are telegraphed and avoidable, or have them have a lesser effect if easily applied.
2) Numbers win and it shouldn't be like that
- in a straight and fair fight, numbers will determine the outcome 99% of the time and that is how it should be. "Outplaying" a numbers advantage doesn't come in the form of having your 6 wipe the 24 in an open field while they see you coming.
- You should need to set up a situation that involves ambushing the larger group from or funneling them in a smaller area so the number advantage is diminished. Here aoe cap removal and a redesign of keeps would help. Objectives in ESO have too many open spaces for numbers not to determine victory in battles.

For me, these are how the issues with procs and numbers should be resovled, not removal or restriction in what is doNE in cyrodil.

BlackMadara wrote: »

People are overreacting due to their own negative experiences that have come with this last update. I am going to point out a few things I see wrong throughout this thread.
1) Competitive pvp shouldnt have an rng element
- there are many competitive games that have rng factor into winning or losing. For example, pokemon has crit and status effects that have a chance of application and other effects. It is still a competitive game.
- Random procs are not bad on themselves, they are just highly unbalanced. They do too much damage, have too high chances, or are too easy to apply. Make all proc sets like Skoria and Nerienth. They either force you into a specific build with low chance of proc or are telegraphed and avoidable, or have them have a lesser effect if easily applied.
2) Numbers win and it shouldn't be like that
- in a straight and fair fight, numbers will determine the outcome 99% of the time and that is how it should be. "Outplaying" a numbers advantage doesn't come in the form of having your 6 wipe the 24 in an open field while they see you coming.
- You should need to set up a situation that involves ambushing the larger group from or funneling them in a smaller area so the number advantage is diminished. Here aoe cap removal and a redesign of keeps would help. Objectives in ESO have too many open spaces for numbers not to determine victory in battles.

For me, these are how the issues with procs and numbers should be resovled, not removal or restriction in what is doNE in cyrodil.

Do we really need to pull out the
yo dawg I heard you like crit meme ?

We already have crit chance and crit damage mutiplier.
If you want crit chance then spec into that.
Dont dump crit damage on crit damage on crit damage.
Or let people ignore crit damage specs and shove it on a suit instead so you can stack something else even higher.

jeez give me +50% blockable damage on hit chance on suits too.
Meh..make it 100% chance

xaraan wrote: »

I'm still going for the full viper death recap. Closest I got was one away so far.

(Two different players both ambushed and got four viper proc's from their combined ambushes - It's almost as if Viper would even be less powerful if it just worked with common sense instead of double proc'ing and working on ranged, etc.)

wow 4 of a kind.
WTS 3 of 1 proc + 2 of 1 ult for a full house

sirston wrote: »

BlackMadara wrote: »

People are overreacting due to their own negative experiences that have come with this last update. I am going to point out a few things I see wrong throughout this thread.
1) Competitive pvp shouldnt have an rng element
- there are many competitive games that have rng factor into winning or losing. For example, pokemon has crit and status effects that have a chance of application and other effects. It is still a competitive game.
- Random procs are not bad on themselves, they are just highly unbalanced. They do too much damage, have too high chances, or are too easy to apply. Make all proc sets like Skoria and Nerienth. They either force you into a specific build with low chance of proc or are telegraphed and avoidable, or have them have a lesser effect if easily applied.
2) Numbers win and it shouldn't be like that
- in a straight and fair fight, numbers will determine the outcome 99% of the time and that is how it should be. "Outplaying" a numbers advantage doesn't come in the form of having your 6 wipe the 24 in an open field while they see you coming.
- You should need to set up a situation that involves ambushing the larger group from or funneling them in a smaller area so the number advantage is diminished. Here aoe cap removal and a redesign of keeps would help. Objectives in ESO have too many open spaces for numbers not to determine victory in battles.

For me, these are how the issues with procs and numbers should be resovled, not removal or restriction in what is doNE in cyrodil.

I all I see from your wall is Im A PVE player and played half an hour of PVP

All I do is pvp unless I'm farming for gear. I'm giving constructive feedback instead of whining or overreacting.

Joy_Division wrote: »

BlackMadara wrote: »

- in a straight and fair fight, numbers will determine the outcome 99% of the time and that is how it should be.

Why bother playing if that's the case?

Seriously, that's the biggest load of BS I've seen on these forums in a long time and that is quite an accomplishment.

You didn't read the rest of the comment did you? Straight and fair fight means relatively equal skilled with equal opportunity to attack and defend with no other advantages like terrain and such. Numbers will win.

I went on to state ambush and positioning should determine a winner in an outnumbered battle. That is how you outplay such a situation. Coordination and choosing when and where to engage is the "skill" that should be invlolved. Not making larger numbers weaker because 24 ran over your 6. Read the rest of the comment before replying.

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Even worse than proc sets is my fps in Cyrodiil nowadays

Remember those procs are instant cast! So they won't lag like every single one of your damage skills if you're on a Templar.