Adorably terribly newbies

Drummerx04 · November 2016

Mettaricana wrote: »

Even worse the high level noobs...

Never forget

Full heavy hundings rage magicka orc nightblade using a bow and twohander queuing up as a dps tank healer......

I think I'm gonna be sick... yup there it is.

Dymence · November 2016

Reading through this thread makes me realize just how many people are unable to function on a social level.

If you honestly think that the OP is here to boast and show how great he is and laugh at noobs, you missed the point by a few miles.

To OP, keep fighting the good fight.

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2016

Junipus wrote: »

Cavarka wrote: »

Ayn Rand was a neocapitalist philosopher. Wrote a couple of books, Atlas Shrugged was prob the most famous/accessible for the lay person. Very much a merit driven ideological philosophy with a focus on minimal government and taxation.

She is one of the first few authors fiscally conservative minded people tend to read in their formative years. Incidentally Rand collected social security, something critics have pointed at when criticising her work.

The jib prob references her stance against the social welfare (the inference being helping) state. Reaganomics likely just refers to trickle down economics in the context used...? Maybe. Meaning help the rich and the benefit will trickle down to the poor.

TLDR - you are being accused of a lack of empathy and compassion.

You're factually correct, but the intention is incorrect.

The poster in question's approach to others posting their experiences in any light with newbies seems to be "don't offer to help them" which is almost anathema in a MMO, hence my questioning of whether their beliefs revolve around individualism rather than the collective where the desire to help is normally stronger.

Sure some people laugh at newbies and do so on these forums, but to tar everyone with the same brush is to attack the social core of the game and do more damage than the "kool kids".

@Junipus : thank you for clarifying further.

There are countless threads on this forum where players ask for help, information or advice, or where game mechanics are debated. You'll never see me saying "don't help, let them figure it out by themselves" on those threads. It only happens on threads where newbies/bad players are being criticized, nicely or not nicely. My main point isn't "don't help", but "don't help if not asked to", and beyond that, my "philosophy" is that "bad" players are entitled to enjoying the game and being there as much as everyone else, without having to face criticism or mockery. Not everyone can "git gud", not everyone wants to "git gud" and mostly, noone has to "git gud". 90% of this game is actually quite easy, so "getting good" isn't required. It's only an issue for group content - hence my other leitmotiv, which you'll find in several threads here : "if you have expectations, don't PUG".

Players play this game for a huge variety of reasons. Some just want to go on on TeamSpeak and find people to talk to - about just anything. Others enjoy the immersion in the wonderful fantasy scenery and world. Others take care of their toons and outfits and make a fashion show. Etc, etc. And of course, some enjoy "getting gud" - which is their right. They'll find their way into a progression guild.

I've been facing this numerous times with guildies and friends since I've given up improving my DPS upon reaching the 20K mark. They keep telling me that I should wear this or that, use this or this skill in my rotation, etc. to improve further. They mean to "help" and they mean it nicely. But I have to explain over and over again that for now I want to get rid of this "DPS-obsession" which was slowly but surely ruining the game for me. I gave up running vet trials, for now, and enjoy picking up a mammooth and kiting it, killing it with light attacks and ultis only (or whatever challenge I choose). Until a "helping hand" comes over, believes that I'm struggling and one-shoots the mob.

I'm definitely not saying that people shouldn't help each other. But I defend everyone's right to play either a "bad" or an alternate playstyle.

Wandering_Ashlander · November 2016

Dymence wrote: »

Reading through this thread makes me realize just how many people are unable to function on a social level.

If you honestly think that the OP is here to boast and show how great he is and laugh at noobs, you missed the point by a few miles.

To OP, keep fighting the good fight.

Rofl, typical hardcore gamer : this is forbidden to be a noob, not on my watch !!!11 XD

Sure thing, because you've never ever been a noob in video games and surely this is felony not to answer to whispers or accept help when needed, isn't it ?

Maybe you should work on your own social skill and try to put yourself in others shoes for once, for people may just want to discover the game on their own, at their own speed, building their own story, for their own pleasure.

Also, what about the player not speaking english, did you only consider this possibility ?

Oh wait, I forgot this is a mmo : you have to suffer vets helping you without being asked (precisely the ones who never help you when you do ask for help, complaining as being rude toward noob questions in chat) you have to be in a guild, and you have to use a proper build listed in teh official guides... and you have to speak english, of course.

Please guys, try not to be so heavy towards others, sometimes at least : take a break, go get some fresh air in the real world.

thedude33 · November 2016

runagate wrote: »

You have no idea how I play. I was playing a joke character with a dinosaur head. Because it amuses me..

That might have been me.

I amuse you? You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to stinkin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

Dymence · November 2016

Wandering_Ashlander wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Reading through this thread makes me realize just how many people are unable to function on a social level.

If you honestly think that the OP is here to boast and show how great he is and laugh at noobs, you missed the point by a few miles.

To OP, keep fighting the good fight.

Rofl, typical hardcore gamer : this is forbidden to be a noob, not on my watch !!!11 XD

Sure thing, because you've never ever been a noob in video games and surely this is felony not to answer to whispers or accept help when needed, isn't it ?

Maybe you should work on your own social skill and try to put yourself in others shoes for once, for people may just want to discover the game on their own, at their own speed, building their own story, for their own pleasure.

Also, what about the player not speaking english, did you only consider this possibility ?

Oh wait, I forgot this is a mmo : you have to suffer vets helping you without being asked (precisely the ones who never help you when you do ask for help, complaining as being rude toward noob questions in chat) you have to be in a guild, and you have to use a proper build listed in teh official guides... and you have to speak english, of course.

Please guys, try not to be so heavy towards others, sometimes at least : take a break, go get some fresh air in the real world.

You're a prime example of my post. Missed the point by a few miles.

I didn't say anything about noobs nor did I say it's a bad thing. These are all things you made up in your triggered little mind.

What I'm saying is, is that it's absolutely fine to be a noob and it's also absolutely fine to find people like that 'cute' or 'adorable' as it is likely to bring forth nostalgic feelings amongst one's self and his earliest days in the game. It's empathy. Plain and simple.

But no, for a few forumgoers it is apparantly condescending and serves only to belittle and boost one's own ego.

Wandering_Ashlander · November 2016

Dymence wrote: »

You're a prime example of my post. Missed the point by a few miles.

I didn't say anything about noobs nor did I say it's a bad thing. These are all things you made up in your triggered little mind.

What I'm saying is, is that it's absolutely fine to be a noob and it's also absolutely fine to find people like that 'cute' or 'adorable' as it is likely to bring forth nostalgic feelings amongst one's self and his earliest days in the game. It's empathy. Plain and simple.

But no, for a few forumgoers it is apparantly condescending and serves only to belittle and boost one's own ego.

The op is blatantly having fun of/enjoying the lack of mastering of the basics of a mmo (interface features which are clearly listed) from a new player, this is a condescending attitude.

You supporting it makes you therefore as condescending as he can be, especially since I don't see what "good fight" can be kept up with such a comment as the OP one.

Maybe you'd bother to develop ? ^^

Don't worry : this is no felony to be a jerk, orelse jails would be over crowded already

raglau · November 2016

Wandering_Ashlander wrote: »

This thread looks rather despising toward new players, as if you aren't pleased there are some.

The funniest players imo are the vets who come to kill your mobs for no reason, just to show off their might, those you see again destroyed in a random dungeon for having pulled everything and mistook/misclik with their sequence <<< rofl

I was playing a load of PUGs over the weekend helping my friend level by doing random normals. I was tanking and showing my friend the dungeon so whilst I could have annihlated everything, I wanted to do it correctly for him as he was healing and I think it's important to learn the ropes correctly, not rush it all.

The Best: a team of two level 12 DD's who turned up, spamming light attacks from the bow but had great awareness. They learned some decent skills and we did 5 dungeons with those guys, each one getting better and better.

The Worst, a 370CP DPS who ran ahead through Spindleclutch normal, pulling everything in sight, realising he could not handle (min/maxed/squishy) so pulled them all back to us each time, a room or two behind. At first we killed them and healed him, but in the end I said to my friend, heal the other DPS whose getting caught up in his mess if you can, but let the idiot die and I won't taunt anything either.

I'll take 'cute n00bs' (to paraphrase the OP) any day over CP halfwits.

Tyrion87 · November 2016

To be honest, I enjoyed the game much more when I was playing how I want for fun (e.g. fire destructive clench for its knockback, or the frost one for its freeze, volcanic rune for its knocking mobs in the air, pulsar, soul assault, etc. etc.) than playing with boring so-called meta build over and over again just to be efficient in terms of DPS in harder end-game content...

Junipus · November 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Cavarka wrote: »

Ayn Rand was a neocapitalist philosopher. Wrote a couple of books, Atlas Shrugged was prob the most famous/accessible for the lay person. Very much a merit driven ideological philosophy with a focus on minimal government and taxation.

She is one of the first few authors fiscally conservative minded people tend to read in their formative years. Incidentally Rand collected social security, something critics have pointed at when criticising her work.

The jib prob references her stance against the social welfare (the inference being helping) state. Reaganomics likely just refers to trickle down economics in the context used...? Maybe. Meaning help the rich and the benefit will trickle down to the poor.

TLDR - you are being accused of a lack of empathy and compassion.

You're factually correct, but the intention is incorrect.

The poster in question's approach to others posting their experiences in any light with newbies seems to be "don't offer to help them" which is almost anathema in a MMO, hence my questioning of whether their beliefs revolve around individualism rather than the collective where the desire to help is normally stronger.

Sure some people laugh at newbies and do so on these forums, but to tar everyone with the same brush is to attack the social core of the game and do more damage than the "kool kids".

@Junipus : thank you for clarifying further.

There are countless threads on this forum where players ask for help, information or advice, or where game mechanics are debated. You'll never see me saying "don't help, let them figure it out by themselves" on those threads. It only happens on threads where newbies/bad players are being criticized, nicely or not nicely. My main point isn't "don't help", but "don't help if not asked to", and beyond that, my "philosophy" is that "bad" players are entitled to enjoying the game and being there as much as everyone else, without having to face criticism or mockery. Not everyone can "git gud", not everyone wants to "git gud" and mostly, noone has to "git gud". 90% of this game is actually quite easy, so "getting good" isn't required. It's only an issue for group content - hence my other leitmotiv, which you'll find in several threads here : "if you have expectations, don't PUG".

Players play this game for a huge variety of reasons. Some just want to go on on TeamSpeak and find people to talk to - about just anything. Others enjoy the immersion in the wonderful fantasy scenery and world. Others take care of their toons and outfits and make a fashion show. Etc, etc. And of course, some enjoy "getting gud" - which is their right. They'll find their way into a progression guild.

I've been facing this numerous times with guildies and friends since I've given up improving my DPS upon reaching the 20K mark. They keep telling me that I should wear this or that, use this or this skill in my rotation, etc. to improve further. They mean to "help" and they mean it nicely. But I have to explain over and over again that for now I want to get rid of this "DPS-obsession" which was slowly but surely ruining the game for me. I gave up running vet trials, for now, and enjoy picking up a mammooth and kiting it, killing it with light attacks and ultis only (or whatever challenge I choose). Until a "helping hand" comes over, believes that I'm struggling and one-shoots the mob.

I'm definitely not saying that people shouldn't help each other. But I defend everyone's right to play either a "bad" or an alternate playstyle.

I respect your viewpoint and don't want to get dragged into a "discussion" on views, opinions and what's "right" or "wrong". Sometimes though it's difficult to get a proper understanding of sarcasm or condescension online and always best to err on the side of caution and remain neutral if the tone isn't visibly obvious.

Regarding the content, sure it's everyone's right and/or prerogative to play how they want and decide on what abilities to use or not use but it's expected when joining a group for group content to adapt to playing in a group over playing as an individual. Some players either don't understand this or refuse to do it and some players attempt to help those who don't understand or call out those who refuse as hindering the group.

Normally when joining groups for dungeons, trials or other activities players sign the unwritten social contract that puts the group above themselves and they benefit from putting in as much effort as they'll get out of it. Going against that unwritten contract is generally seen as disruptive and ruining other's playing experience with artificial obstacles and impediments; the continuous slew of threads on the topic is evidence of that.

In summary, while the game advertised "play as you want" and everyone is entitled to do so, group play requires a different approach orientated contributing to the success of the group through a different playstyle.

Coatmagic · November 2016

Hello, my name is Coat, and I am an altoholic.

No, seriously though, one of those silent, mismatched, cluelessly-skill-using players could very easily be me running yet another *special flower* build to see how far I can make it xD

I do not go into group dungeons though, ever, but I like that guys idea, hahah, I would never.

To those who've posted about the most polite and charming others they've come across in games being kids, this has been my experience as well. It's the *adults* who are usually running around acting like 10 year olds, not the actual 10 year olds xD

ArchMikem · November 2016

Coatmagic wrote: »

To those who've posted about the most polite and charming others they've come across in games being kids, this has been my experience as well. It's the *adults* who are usually running around acting like 10 year olds, not the actual 10 year olds xD

It's funnily enough true, the actual kids at least try to play seriously in their own way, while the adults purposefully act like annoying little brats.

Dymence · November 2016

Wandering_Ashlander wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

You're a prime example of my post. Missed the point by a few miles.

I didn't say anything about noobs nor did I say it's a bad thing. These are all things you made up in your triggered little mind.

What I'm saying is, is that it's absolutely fine to be a noob and it's also absolutely fine to find people like that 'cute' or 'adorable' as it is likely to bring forth nostalgic feelings amongst one's self and his earliest days in the game. It's empathy. Plain and simple.

But no, for a few forumgoers it is apparantly condescending and serves only to belittle and boost one's own ego.

The op is blatantly having fun of/enjoying the lack of mastering of the basics of a mmo (interface features which are clearly listed) from a new player, this is a condescending attitude.

You supporting it makes you therefore as condescending as he can be, especially since I don't see what "good fight" can be kept up with such a comment as the OP one.

Maybe you'd bother to develop ? ^^

Don't worry : this is no felony to be a jerk, orelse jails would be over crowded already

That's the thing though. He isn't. You'd notice that by reading the first couple of responses from people making the link to nostalgia and past experiences.

Like I said, you fit in quite well with my earlier generalisation of socially disfunctional.

But I guess words are wasted at this point. And I will refrain from turning this topic even further into the toxic mess people like you have made it to be. Damn shame. I hope you can follow my example.

Prof_Bawbag · November 2016

Would be hilarious if the 'noob' in question was some fat hairy old man, wearing a dirty string vest.

I_killed_Vivec · November 2016

I might be that noob - despite the 630CP I have somehow amassed:

- I am frequently unaware of people who whisper me. Quite often it's minutes after an encounter with someone that I realize they have been trying to communicate. Who knows how many conversations I've missed entirely. What's worse is that I feel bad for appearing to be rude - I'm really not, but I can't help thinking other people get that idea.

- I don't understand why people randomly ask me to group. And why they seem to do it in the middle of a fight, like I'm going to stop, accept their invitation and carry on. And then what? Don't they realize I'm farming and don't particularly want to share? And now I feel bad again because I said no, when I never wanted to be asked in the first place!

- I have developed an amusing habit of not paying attention to my food buff. Every time I die I can't believe it... then check the recap and see that I really should have eaten something. At some point my health plunged to 12K, no wonder I died! While this must cause much amusement for everyone who sees it, fortunately for me as I said above I'm completely oblivious to chat.

I don't laugh at the adorable, silly newbies - not even the little, cute wood elf girls.

No, the players that I find most humourous are the 600+ CP players struggling to finish off a pack of welvas. I'm stereotyping here but they usually have extravagantly dyed armour and yuuuge great big double handed weapons. They dance around and flail about and I stand and watch and cheer on the welvas!

Then I remember that I haven't eaten in two hours and my health is at 12K

Prof_Bawbag · November 2016

Dymence wrote: »

Wandering_Ashlander wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

You're a prime example of my post. Missed the point by a few miles.

I didn't say anything about noobs nor did I say it's a bad thing. These are all things you made up in your triggered little mind.

What I'm saying is, is that it's absolutely fine to be a noob and it's also absolutely fine to find people like that 'cute' or 'adorable' as it is likely to bring forth nostalgic feelings amongst one's self and his earliest days in the game. It's empathy. Plain and simple.

But no, for a few forumgoers it is apparantly condescending and serves only to belittle and boost one's own ego.

The op is blatantly having fun of/enjoying the lack of mastering of the basics of a mmo (interface features which are clearly listed) from a new player, this is a condescending attitude.

You supporting it makes you therefore as condescending as he can be, especially since I don't see what "good fight" can be kept up with such a comment as the OP one.

Maybe you'd bother to develop ? ^^

Don't worry : this is no felony to be a jerk, orelse jails would be over crowded already

That's the thing though. He isn't. You'd notice that by reading the first couple of responses from people making the link to nostalgia and past experiences.

Like I said, you fit in quite well with my earlier generalisation of socially disfunctional.

But I guess words are wasted at this point. And I will refrain from turning this topic even further into the toxic mess people like you have made it to be. Damn shame. I hope you can follow my example.

You're wasted on here, mate. Your Psychoanalysis abilities are second to none, yet here you are wasting your time on some gaming forum populated by pugs and the likes. I bow before your greatness.

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2016

Junipus wrote: »

I respect your viewpoint and don't want to get dragged into a "discussion" on views, opinions and what's "right" or "wrong". Sometimes though it's difficult to get a proper understanding of sarcasm or condescension online and always best to err on the side of caution and remain neutral if the tone isn't visibly obvious.

In this thread it seems that to some people, OP is "obviously" positive and sympathetic, and to some other people, OP is "obviously" negative and despising. Unfortunately, "obvious" isn't always "obvious".

Junipus wrote: »

Regarding the content, sure it's everyone's right and/or prerogative to play how they want and decide on what abilities to use or not use but it's expected when joining a group for group content to adapt to playing in a group over playing as an individual.

Agreed. But the situation in this thread doesn't involve group content.

Junipus wrote: »

In summary, while the game advertised "play as you want" and everyone is entitled to do so, group play requires a different approach orientated contributing to the success of the group through a different playstyle.

The "adapt" vs. "be yourself" conflict is as old as societies are, and I wouldn't dare to express anything definite as to where to position myself or anyone in that struggle. Applied to the game, however, it can roughly translate into :
- Go "adapt", because it's an MMO, there are other players with you and around you (I believe that would be your choice, if I understood you correctly)
- Go "be yourself" because it's only a game. (That would rather be my view on things).

Suter1972 · November 2016

Im 4 months in now so time wise im a noob. However as im now past the initial ‘what the F is going on’ stage, im now starting to understand the technicalities of the mechanics better. It this understanding that will take me from someone spamming pointless skills to a player that is effective in what they are doing, whether that be as a group healer or solo DPS. Im still a long way off.

One thing to bear in mind that on console, its not that easy to jump into text chat when your in the middle of fighting a mob. Sometimes it even disappears off the screen and you have to go into a menu to pop it up again or make it bigger so you can see previous messages that may have scrolled past. Its really not very user friendly at present, at least for an old fart like me.

In terms of helping others, I feel im at the level where I can help out a player who I come across that may be struggling. I may do a quick heal from a distance to keep them on their feet, while not interfering with their mob kill. However, I generally don’t like to rush in and take out all their mobs or boss as Its not that long ago I used to have the same from ‘helpers’. Ie you could have been trying 6 times to get that delve boss down, and youre on the last 25% of its health…..nearly there. The excitement is amazing, your hearts pounding, your palms are sweaty…if….i…can….just….get….ONE more attack in I’ll have done it….nearly…..have i?...have i?.... the WHAM…. In rushes a high CP player from behind and takes him out without so much as a ‘hows your father’…(sorry non uk…slang for ‘hello’). Boss is dead but somehow you don’t feel any gratification. Only deflation and feel like youhev had something more important than any set piece taken from you.

Sometimes the noobs don’t want or need help. The struggle is what makes you better. Its like sticking a baby in a pushchair all its life… its easier for the baby but it will never learn to walk.

A simple..’hi, do you need help?’ is all that’s needed. If they don’t respond, don’t interfere. If you feel that you cant possibly let someone else struggle, maybe trhough in a quick heal or mail them some new gear with a 1GP COD, instead of getting upset if they don’t respond to whispers or bow to your greatness and mercy.

Cryptical · November 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Cavarka wrote: »

Ayn Rand was a neocapitalist philosopher. Wrote a couple of books, Atlas Shrugged was prob the most famous/accessible for the lay person. Very much a merit driven ideological philosophy with a focus on minimal government and taxation.

She is one of the first few authors fiscally conservative minded people tend to read in their formative years. Incidentally Rand collected social security, something critics have pointed at when criticising her work.

The jib prob references her stance against the social welfare (the inference being helping) state. Reaganomics likely just refers to trickle down economics in the context used...? Maybe. Meaning help the rich and the benefit will trickle down to the poor.

TLDR - you are being accused of a lack of empathy and compassion.

You're factually correct, but the intention is incorrect.

The poster in question's approach to others posting their experiences in any light with newbies seems to be "don't offer to help them" which is almost anathema in a MMO, hence my questioning of whether their beliefs revolve around individualism rather than the collective where the desire to help is normally stronger.

Sure some people laugh at newbies and do so on these forums, but to tar everyone with the same brush is to attack the social core of the game and do more damage than the "kool kids".

@Junipus : thank you for clarifying further.

There are countless threads on this forum where players ask for help, information or advice, or where game mechanics are debated. You'll never see me saying "don't help, let them figure it out by themselves" on those threads. It only happens on threads where newbies/bad players are being criticized, nicely or not nicely. My main point isn't "don't help", but "don't help if not asked to", and beyond that, my "philosophy" is that "bad" players are entitled to enjoying the game and being there as much as everyone else, without having to face criticism or mockery.

You think the OP was feeling haughty.

I saw the OP looking on the struggling new player the same way we look upon a newborn horse standing and taking its first steps. Cute. Adorable. And when it falls it is doing a terrible job at merely standing. But that doesn't take away the knowledge that pretty soon that shaky-legged foal will be able to run and race the sun to the horizon.

Now, about that "don't help if not asked" nonsense...

When people are struggling their focus is on the thing in front of them that they are having trouble handling. Someone struggling with a mob does not have any spare attention to look for people standing off to the side. Someone struggling certainly doesn't have any spare time to spend throwing out a 'help' to you.

So if you walk up and see someone has their hands full, do not expect them to ask for help, because THEIR HANDS WERE FULL.

When you walk up behind someone who has both hands full of bags, and is struggling to open a door, do you wait to be asked for assistance or do you comprehend the situation that they clearly need help and do not see you?

Common courtesy.

Stopnaggin · November 2016

I agree with the OP, helping others is not a bad thing. Although I go about it differently, some people are socially awkward and by talking to them it may help open them up a bit. I have run across many a noob struggling and offered some assistance. Some take it some don't, but if you don't ask you'll never know.

I wonder how many people are turned off when they ask a question in chat and don't get an answer. It may have taken a lot of courage on their part to even type anything. As far as people running new characters, if you are doing that a simple nod in chat would suffice. We aren't talking about folks that have been in the game here.

This weekend was a prime example, free play weekend on xbox. I spent most of my day helping the new players. I don't know how much gold I gave away so they could get a mount or how much time I spent trying to make them gear. I do it because I enjoy it, not to make myself some kind of hero. Everyone of those new players seemed genuinely grateful.

Some people really want to learn, if if they want to do it fast. I spent over an hour with one guy, non native English speaker, helping him with his setup. Obviously new player with heavy armor using magika, he asked me about making some heavy gear. We had a long discussion about what his goals for the game were. I finally made him some seducer armor, upgraded to blue with training, added magika glyphs, he kept trying to pay, I insisted that he didn't have to worry about it. I stayed with him for over an hour just watching and telling him some of the mechanics. To him this was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Tldr
Offering help is not a bad thing people. Maybe these same players will be as helpful to some other new players down the line. God knows this game could use a boost of positive attitude instead of all the toxic crap that gets spewed around.

Suter1972 · November 2016

another point to add,

when I was new in the first few zones, I attempted a dolmen. I was there by myself waiting for it to spawn until another player arrived. We stood for while before they emoted ‘hello’. A little bit of fun with emotes ensued and then my trade window popped up. I hadn’t a clue what was going on so took me a while to work it out. In the end the player was actually giving me a load of loot they had picked up that was immense for me, but junk for them. They were just helping but I didn’t have a clue which buttons to press or how to respond so I must have looked like a total dufus

Fortunately the player was very tolerant and their actions, along with one or two specific others are the reason I stuck with the game and now feel ‘part of it’.

Hopefully I can pass the good will down the line at some point.

xRIVALENx · November 2016

TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »

So many newbie questions in zone chat these days. It's kinda cute, they're still so innocent. But I can't help but facepalm sometimes

I really hope everyone reads the hidden "spoiler" in your signature, nearly burst out laughing

Artis · November 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Question... did he/she ask for help ? (I assume not, since he/she did not communicate with you).

Then... why did you want to "help" ?

Don't try to help people who don't want or need to be helped.
Not everyone wants to play the way you play (i.e. nuke down mobs efficiently). Play and let play.

I really wonder if some people's greatest fun in this game is to judge others (and call it "helping", and write about it on forums on top of that).

ahaha what a joke. This and the following comments.

No, no one is obligated to assume anything. He might need help or might not need help, the OP doesn't have to assume anything. OP wants or doesn't want to help, so he does what he wants. And if another player doesn't like something and wants the opposite of what OP is doing, THEN THAT PLAYER SPEAKS UP.

Yes, do try to help people who don't want or need to be helped. If they don't like it - they will let you know. If they aren't letting you know, then they don't mind or don't care about what's happening.

failkiwib16_ESO · November 2016

When I was a lowbie noobie I used to scream IRL when I met trolls, bears and other ugly big fat creatures... up untill I hit v12.

xRIVALENx wrote: »

TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »

So many newbie questions in zone chat these days. It's kinda cute, they're still so innocent. But I can't help but facepalm sometimes

I really hope everyone reads the hidden "spoiler" in your signature, nearly burst out laughing

@xRIVALENx lol thanks a bunch for pointing that out

Saoirse_Siobhan · November 2016

xRIVALENx wrote: »

TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »

So many newbie questions in zone chat these days. It's kinda cute, they're still so innocent. But I can't help but facepalm sometimes

I really hope everyone reads the hidden "spoiler" in your signature, nearly burst out laughing

Aww thanks. Actually I should change the "maintenance blues" to "crown crate therapy" since they are coming this week

Sasyk · November 2016

Wandering_Ashlander wrote: »

The op is blatantly having fun of/enjoying the lack of mastering of the basics of a mmo (interface features which are clearly listed) from a new player, this is a condescending attitude.

You supporting it makes you therefore as condescending as he can be, especially since I don't see what "good fight" can be kept up with such a comment as the OP one.

Maybe you'd bother to develop ? ^^

Don't worry : this is no felony to be a jerk, orelse jails would be over crowded already

No, he's not being condescending [SNIP]. I've known Runagate for a long time and he has a heart of gold. YOU are the one that needs to develop. THIS is a multiplayer game where you'll encounter people randomly, not a single player game. It's a very nice thing to help people along even if it's only for a few minutes.

I dunno what your problem is, but personally I've never once complained about someone helping me when I'm on a lowbie toon getting in way over my head, in any MMO I've ever played, nor has anyone ever whispered or complained in chat about me randomly helping them. It's in the nature of MMO's that people will come along and interact with you for better or worse.

And the offer to group? The newbie in the original post could have JUST AS EASILY hit decline if they didn't want the help, the prompt to group is extremely basic and easy to understand EVEN FOR A NEWBIE.

You and anitajoneb need to stop being so soulless and callous. It's very despicable.

[Edited for flaming]

Jemcrystal · November 2016

Stopnaggin · November 2016

Just face it, the new generation doesn't understand, too many people want to bring attention to themselves by being asses. They can take a feel good thread and destroy it for their own amusement. It's more a reflection of their character irl. God forbid we have a nice community, lets try to keep the us and them attitude.

Maybe one day they will understand, but that isn't going to happen behind the anonymity of the internet. Just keep doing good and don't worry about the rest.

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2016

Sasyk wrote: »

You and anitajoneb need to stop being so soulless and callous. It's very despicable.

Wow. Looks like you need to learn and accept that other people think differently than you and to still be polite. I'm not soulless, I'm not callous, and I'm not despicable.

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Just face it, the new generation doesn't understand.

I'm not part of "the new generation" either - far above that age, unfortunately. I guess it's you who lack the life experience to realize that "help" is a two-sided coin.

Stopnaggin · November 2016

Jemcrystal wrote: »

That gif made me laugh out loud, and now my Co workers are looking at me.