1mirg wrote: »

TL:DR
If you want a game that you can immerse yourself in the lore and explore around alot, then yes, this game is for you.
If on the other hand you want a game you can do nearly anything in and just fish all the time in and still be rewarded for it, then you might wanna look elsewhere.

This one has his stuff together.

Those saying the RNG in ESO is bad don't really understand what bad is. I've been playing MMORPGs for nearly 20 years, from EQ to WoW, from Tera to Archeage, and I've played a bit of ESO and BDO. ESO is a bit better on the RNG front. In Archeage and BDO, you have gear that needs to be upgraded, you can lose the gear if it fails. In ESO it works similarly. But the materials don't take nearly as long to get, and you can force a 100% success rate. Imagine having a 15-20% rate.. that's Archeage.

Even WoW's RNG has gotten worse over the last few expansions. Focusing more on grindy mechanics. I don't see a heavy grind in ESO. There's alot of content to do. It takes time to do it all, and by the time you get it, there's more to do. Obviously for well established players this starts slimming down, but that happens in all games.

Don't come to ESO.

In general, BDO is better than ESO, especially RNG-wise. In ESO, you can spend 1000s hours of grinding a solo-arena for nothing and it doesn't improve your chances of getting what you want. And that something is BiS weapons you cannot be competitive without - and they're BoP only (as is most gear).

However, I myself prefer the ESO lore. If you're someone who likes to read everything, listen to every dialog and follow every quest's storyline, you will be enjoying ESO for quite some time. It has tons of awesome casual-oriented content.

If you're looking for end-game experience, BDO is much better, PvE and PvP-wise. In BDO you get rewarded for invested time and there are alternative methods to reach your goals (build up your own crafting empire and buy the Kzarka weapon if it doesn't want to drop). There is also bad luck protection. In ESO, ZOS screwed up. They made BiS weapons available for some time before gating them behind unrealistic RNG. The result: chances of you getting those weapons (even in 1000+ hours of solo playing time, as you can only get them from a solo arena) and being part of the end game community are close to zero. Those that enjoy end game content in ESO are those that got the weapons during that "lucky time" (as we like to call it, "before DB", before the Dark Brotherhood update). You will not be able to compete with people that have those weapons if you don't have them yourself.

Many ESO players I knew went to BDO due to the ESO BiS weapon disaster and are much happier there. The only reason I still play ESO is that I'm in an awesome raid group that is a lot of fun and doesn't discriminate against players without Maelstrom (BiS) weapons. To be honest, Maelstrom grind burned me out (over 500 hours of boring solo play invested for zero reward) and, as a result, I don't like ESO anymore. I only log on for the raids. The people I play with are fun, not ESO. If that group ever falls apart, I'll instantly switch to BDO.

Those that call either game P2W have no idea what they're talking about, as in both, ESO and BDO, cash shop items are purely cosmetic.

nimander99 wrote: »

Combat is a bit more fun in BDO, but all the headaches, like micro management, warehouses in dif territories, slow travel, all that stuff is gone. RNG is far more bearable in ESO than BDO. A more fair store and costume system. Better character progression. Excellent questing and voice acting.

Not much of a competition imho. ESO takes the cake, and housing will drop Q1 next year so there'll be that.

and and and ESO has werewolves and vampires

My perfect MMO would include BDO's excellent animations and ESO's rich, beautiful world, interesting stories and great acting. I played BDO for a few months earlier this year and while it's gorgeous, the combat is a lot of fun, and I LOVED playing a melee sorcerer, the character/race/class/gender restrictions annoyed me, and I found the story to be very shallow and not very interesting once you get past the dazzle of "OMG MY CHARACTER PERSPIRES WHEN SHE FIGHTS!!"

I love the fluid movement of BDO, I liked the horse training (except their expensive breeding reset tokens), I liked the way the world looked, I found the quests, NPC's, world really boring. I also have a very strong aversion to the forced openworld PVP beyond level 45, so I quit just shy of that number. If I PVP, I do it on purpose, not because some kid thinks it's open season on people who are minding their own business, trying to progress in some quest.

ESO on the other hand - the animations could do with some work, but the extensive lore and likeable (or despicable) characters voice acted by real actors and the little gems in the world like - are fantastic. And I like that there are entire quest lines that don't involve killing anything.

Or walking into the breathtaking Earth Forge for the first time. These are the things that keep me coming back to ESO. Plus BDO's stingy monetisation scheme made me feel horrible about spending money in their cash store, and usually I have no problem whatsoever spending money in cash stores.

IMO, ESO is the better game, but I do miss being able to climb onto ledges that are just a tad too high to jump on And I think ZOS really needs to work on their NPC animations in general. The faces are better since they installed the phonemes, but the gestures are still very wooden and odd, and the facial expressions could be better. These are the things I think about, not the grind or the RNG. I couldn't really care less about those things! I want to get involved in a world, not worry about numbers.

[ETA] I also got extremely annoyed with BDO's cash shop costume items. I'm sorry, my sorc is a heavyset, muscular, bruiser of a woman with a broken nose and a shaved head. She does NOT wear a friggin' minidress with a frilly lacy underskirt, thigh boots and visible scanty lingerie and update after update that's all we got, eventually I had jack of it and gave up.

Vaoh wrote: »

Mush55 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Not much of a competition imho. ESO takes the cake, and housing will drop Q1 next year so there'll be that.

Why is everyone so pumped over bloody housing I want more content more dungeons, bosses, not some where to sit and look at furniture....

I am super excited for player housing!

All I want to do is store the near thousand items I have hoarded so I can delete my pack mules and finally play without organizing every time I get nice loot.

I'm at the point where it's time to take a break from ESO for the first time because organization is so annoying.

I've got full BiS Maelstrom sets, PvP sets, all of the good group dungeon sets, all of the BiS DPS sets for my Magicka Sorc, tons of pots, 200+ Kothringi/Mazzatun styled items stored for when they are craftable (decon for mats), most of the BiS maelstrom weapons, all sorts of rare and unique items from dolmens/stealing/Vet trial gold treasure/etc, tons of weapons and armor ive made legendary for use.....

Recently my ESO Plus ran out so one character is storing mats.

I NEED a house to store all of my stuff in. Willing to spend literally all of my gold to have an awesome house. This'll be a huge addition to the game for me and for many others as well.

Why do I store all of this stuff you ask? Well, I plan to have fun with many of these sets ofc, and they're always there when I need them.

I'll have like 600K-1M when housing releases to spend

I have a sneaky suspicion that unless you sub your storage will be mediocre at best and even if you sub you will need the crown store to make storage actually worth while.

Tbh I dont think gold will play much part in it.

As I said sooner have more things to do than more places to store stuff which is easily accomplished by expanding the bank slots .

Won't affect me as I log in less and less these days due to the lack of things to keep me interested sets drop like confetti with no work to get them, dungeons are to easy and to short and questing and pvp is just a joke.

I went from ESO to BDO and for a while enjoyed BDO but the game does not have a great story behind it like ESO and ESO has been so much improved over the last years. I hardly play BDO and mostly play ESO.

BDO has some great things like housing, open world (no loading) but ESO brings much more and is adding things on a regular base where BDO is not really apart from some cash story stuff.

BDO and ESO both have a cash shop, in ESO I have bought all things available or which have been available. In BDO I tried but damn those items are so expensive so gave up (im a collector).

I left eso for BDO and came back in a month. One of the things this game gets right is having a lot of options to deal with your problems. There is so much theory craft you can do in this game because it has so many item sets rather than 3 for your class. You can also turn off the grass you aren't running into invisible rocks. There are no PTW items like the Guille suits. It has a story with real voice actors, instead of weird translations, and annoying voice overs. The only thing really wrong with this game is they are concerned with quantity over quality, and whoever is responsible for itemization and balance. Other than that it stands to be one the best games ever made.

BDO has much better and fair RNG compared to ESO. If you're casual and into RP, ESO is for you. If you're into fair competition and end game, stay away from ESO. After experiencing some ESO, you will be wondering how you ever complained about getting Kzarka weapons.

1mirg wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

They have a lot of open job positions right now . Some for outsourced art and some for lead positions . I wonder if there's been a big changing of the guard once again .

https://jobs.zenimax.com/locations/view/7

Lets take a look at some of the job listed there, then. See if we can spot any worrying ones.

Contract Animator

Alright, nothing big so far.

Contract Social Engagement Analyst

Alittle worrying but nothing too big.

Lead Console Programmer

...at least the platform administrator is still taken, right?

Senior Platform Administrator

I spoke too soon.

Analytics & Operations Manager/Director

*sigh*

It could either be another side project, or the positions to be concerned about are Sr. Gameplay Programmer and Writer-Artist. The former could be a well-known name having left depending on how ZOS word their position titles and the latter could be either an addition to the lore team or a replacement.

The Analytics & Ops director is a new position and part of their apparent pivoting towards a Lean/Sigma approach which hopefully means either better communication or more crown store items.

(Btw, I'm aware Lean/Sigma isn't standard within the games industry but it's a useful generic term to help people understand the change).

No comparison for me. My worst day in ESO is much better than my best in BDO. You might as well say ESO doesn't even have a grind compared to BDO. RnG here is nothing compared to that korean casino sim. The questing and overall feel of the world is better too in my opinion. ESO has group content as well as solo adventures. The pvp, though balance issues do exist, is not about getting one shotted by a person 2 levels higher than you who got one more lucky upgrade on his gear. There is some level of skill involved in ESO'S pvp and pve, unlike BDO where gear and level are all that matters. BDO for me was a generic korean f2p/p2w/cash shop heavy sandbox like archeage, that fooled people into paying a box price.

For what it's worth the world in ESO feels much more alive to me than BDO'S. While leveling in BDO I rarely saw other players, unless it was in town, standing around afk fishing, horse training, auction house camping. Although ESO'S non group content is easily soloed, I have never got that monotonous lonely grind feeling in ESO. You'll hit max level and begin working on getting to the CP cap in less than half the time it took you to go from 50-55 in BDO.

1mirg wrote: »

I played Black Desert Online, I even had a active forum account to prove so.

• Now in-terms of open-endedness, I must regretfully state that BDO is a much better product in that regard. As you can just fish for your whole time playing the game and not have to worry about missing out on anything.
• in-terms of RNG, Elder Scrolls Online is a much better product than BDO in that regard, as grinding in eso is much realistic than what Bdo demands.
• in terms of cash-shops, both have products in their which range from a wide variety of thing but the one which doesn't step over that line of "convenience" and "pay to win" is Eso, but it doesn't have as much fun stuff in the shop as Bdo does sadly. Though it still has a decent amount of them, so that's nice
• The gameplay though, both are entirely different experiences and both cater to different audiences. In Bdo they focus more on the style of gameplay which forces you to move around alot and allowing you to play in almost any regard you wish. Eso on the other hand tries to focus on you moving around but more caters towards those who like to immerse themselves in the lore of the game and those who like to explore the world.
• Even though I loathe Bdo, I do understand it's strong suites which make it a enjoyable game to play. But I also know it's faults too, which in my regards out weigh the enjoyable portions of the game. The community on the other hand in Bdo have only gotten worse over time, while in eso the community seems to be leveling out to a nice decent level of standard mmo communities. So in that regard, I must say that eso is better in terms of community standards.
• The developers of Eso, when comparing them to the developers of Bdo are much more open about things than the developers of Bdo. But they can act be rather slow in proving any sort of comment, feedback, or assistance. So, in that regard I must conclude that they are both equal in overall terms. In terms of catering towards their community though, I think I'd side with Zenimax rather than Pearl Abyss but my prior experiances with them might be wavering my decision here.
• Questing is rather a mixed bag for both parties but just to simplify things here and make this post a shorter than it would be If I talked in depth about both bdo and eso questing. I must say that I've had a much more immersive and fun experience with Eso's questing rather than Bdo's questing mostly in-part with the lore of the quest and characters being portrayed during said quest. Sure bdo's got some unique ones here and there but I didn't feel very immersed nor entertained on more than one regard, instead I felt like I was just doing my chores rather than being entertained. Which in a game is a very bad thing for a player to experience. So, again. I must side with Eso being the better of the two on questing.
• The one with the better graphic on the other hand, must be Bdo without a doubt. Sure, Eso has some decent graphics but when comparing it to Bdo's; it just pales in comparison.
• and lastly, the user interface for both games are slick in my personal opinion. So I can't decide which one is better over another.

TL:DR
If you want a game that you can immerse yourself in the lore and explore around alot, then yes, this game is for you.
If on the other hand you want a game you can do nearly anything in and just fish all the time in and still be rewarded for it, then you might wanna look elsewhere.

I said all that in less words neener neerner neener

Meld777 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

No comparison for me. My worst day in ESO is much better than my best in BDO. You might as well say ESO doesn't even have a grind compared to BDO. RnG here is nothing compared to that korean casino sim. The questing and overall feel of the world is better too in my opinion. ESO has group content as well as solo adventures. The pvp, though balance issues do exist, is not about getting one shotted by a person 2 levels higher than you who got one more lucky upgrade on his gear. There is some level of skill involved in ESO'S pvp and pve, unlike BDO where gear and level are all that matters. BDO for me was a generic korean f2p/p2w/cash shop heavy sandbox like archeage, that fooled people into paying a box price.

For what it's worth the world in ESO feels much more alive to me than BDO'S. While leveling in BDO I rarely saw other players, unless it was in town, standing around afk fishing, horse training, auction house camping. Although ESO'S non group content is easily soloed, I have never got that monotonous lonely grind feeling in ESO. You'll hit max level and begin working on getting to the CP cap in less than half the time it took you to go from 50-55 in BDO.

All 100% wrong and the opposite, from my point of view. The poster either hasn't reached end game yet or was very lucky to get his Maelstrom weapons in a reasonable amount of runs. First option seems much more likely.

Been here since day one PC/NA. Got some maelstrom weps I needed on some toons, not all. If I still hadn't gotten one good maelstrom drop, my comment would be the same. I take it that you sir have never played BDO. Imagine downing the same boss everyday since launch and not getting a drop. Or wasting every piece of gold you grinded for months to fail an upgrade and lose that item entirely. Yea...that's BDO.

Edit: Let's also remember that in ESO you don't even have to have that maelstrom drop to complete content or compete in pvp. Hell, for some builds it's not even BiS. A rare drop in BDO can make you or break you and there are no "builds."