Black Desert Player looking into ESO

mastro_akqub17_ESO · November 2016

Anyone played both of these games for an extended amount of time can compare them and illustrate the differences and fine points? I have been getting very frustrated with BDO lately because of the RNG and progression. So I am looking for a different game maybe. Any help would be appreciated as I try to decide what to do.

TheDarkRuler · November 2016

RNG in ESO is in no way better than BDO to be honest.
There's a lot of grind here as well and you can spend days over days without getting the items you want.

Alucardo · November 2016

You came from BDO to ESO to get away from the bad RNG?

LOL

Lumbermill_Emperor · November 2016

RND in BDO x10 worst than RNG in ESO
its for sure

mastro_akqub17_ESO · November 2016

RNG from mobs drops is one thing. Bad RNG where your items are destroyed or downgrade is another thing like in BDO. Does ESO have those also?

nimander99 · November 2016

Combat is a bit more fun in BDO, but all the headaches, like micro management, warehouses in dif territories, slow travel, all that stuff is gone. RNG is far more bearable in ESO than BDO. A more fair store and costume system. Better character progression. Excellent questing and voice acting.

Not much of a competition imho. ESO takes the cake, and housing will drop Q1 next year so there'll be that.

mastro_akqub17_ESO · November 2016

Does ESO have very immersive environments say with like snowy area that has blizzard like snow falling down?

Cazic · November 2016

mastro_akqub17_ESO wrote: »

Does ESO have very immersive environments say with like snowy area that has blizzard like snow falling down?

ESO does have some very immersive environments. Weather effects are pretty basic tho. You get snowfall in snowy areas and rainfall everywhere else. There's definitely a lot of variety and immersion but no seasonal weather like you'll only get snow in zones such as wrothgar and East march because they're northern.

Sigma957 · November 2016

ESO has varied weather throughout some areas have snow but I wouldn't go so far as saying blizzard effects. Your gear over time does sustain damage to which needs repair but is never totally destroyed that its not repairable.

ArchMikem · November 2016

mastro_akqub17_ESO wrote: »

Does ESO have very immersive environments say with like snowy area that has blizzard like snow falling down?

Weather effects are simple. In snowy areas like the North regions of Cyrodiil or the zones in Skyrim, you get gentle snowfall with fog, nothing more like Blizzards, except for one area in Wrothgar on top of a mountain, but that's purposefully done by the devs to be a part of a quest.

In the Deserts of Alik'r you get gentle dust storms, and everywhere else you get rain. However I will say, EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. it rains, it's also a Thunder Storm.

Rohamad_Ali · November 2016

This is the wrong place to escape RNG . The weather here is instanced and when one person may experience rain , another person may see sunny skies . It is not immersive as it is not shared and there is no effect on battle except for a few PVE quests in the snow .

It is however beautiful and the graphics are very good . I think BDO has good graphics too though . I think here you are looking at more instanced game play and adventures while there in BDO more unstructured open world adventuring . Both require epic grinds for top end gear .

The deciding factor between the two , in my opinion , would be story , and that's a personal preference .

Sheey · November 2016

Where are the hurricanes in Cyrodiil?

1mirg · November 2016

I played Black Desert Online, I even had a active forum account to prove so.

Now in-terms of open-endedness, I must regretfully state that BDO is a much better product in that regard. As you can just fish for your whole time playing the game and not have to worry about missing out on anything.
in-terms of RNG, Elder Scrolls Online is a much better product than BDO in that regard, as grinding in eso is much realistic than what Bdo demands.
in terms of cash-shops, both have products in their which range from a wide variety of thing but the one which doesn't step over that line of "convenience" and "pay to win" is Eso, but it doesn't have as much fun stuff in the shop as Bdo does sadly. Though it still has a decent amount of them, so that's nice
The gameplay though, both are entirely different experiences and both cater to different audiences. In Bdo they focus more on the style of gameplay which forces you to move around alot and allowing you to play in almost any regard you wish. Eso on the other hand tries to focus on you moving around but more caters towards those who like to immerse themselves in the lore of the game and those who like to explore the world.
Even though I loathe Bdo, I do understand it's strong suites which make it a enjoyable game to play. But I also know it's faults too, which in my regards out weigh the enjoyable portions of the game. The community on the other hand in Bdo have only gotten worse over time, while in eso the community seems to be leveling out to a nice decent level of standard mmo communities. So in that regard, I must say that eso is better in terms of community standards.
The developers of Eso, when comparing them to the developers of Bdo are much more open about things than the developers of Bdo. But they can act be rather slow in proving any sort of comment, feedback, or assistance. So, in that regard I must conclude that they are both equal in overall terms. In terms of catering towards their community though, I think I'd side with Zenimax rather than Pearl Abyss but my prior experiances with them might be wavering my decision here.
Questing is rather a mixed bag for both parties but just to simplify things here and make this post a shorter than it would be If I talked in depth about both bdo and eso questing. I must say that I've had a much more immersive and fun experience with Eso's questing rather than Bdo's questing mostly in-part with the lore of the quest and characters being portrayed during said quest. Sure bdo's got some unique ones here and there but I didn't feel very immersed nor entertained on more than one regard, instead I felt like I was just doing my chores rather than being entertained. Which in a game is a very bad thing for a player to experience. So, again. I must side with Eso being the better of the two on questing.
The one with the better graphic on the other hand, must be Bdo without a doubt. Sure, Eso has some decent graphics but when comparing it to Bdo's; it just pales in comparison.
and lastly, the user interface for both games are slick in my personal opinion. So I can't decide which one is better over another.

TL:DR
If you want a game that you can immerse yourself in the lore and explore around alot, then yes, this game is for you.
If on the other hand you want a game you can do nearly anything in and just fish all the time in and still be rewarded for it, then you might wanna look elsewhere.

Ackwalan · November 2016

1mirg wrote: »

I played Black Desert Online, I even had a active forum account to prove so.
Now in-terms of open-endedness, I must regretfully state that BDO is a much better product in that regard. As you can just fish for your whole time playing the game and not have to worry about missing out on anything.

in-terms of RNG, Elder Scrolls Online is a much better product than BDO in that regard, as grinding in eso is much realistic than what Bdo demands.

in terms of cash-shops, both have products in their which range from a wide variety of thing but the one which doesn't step over that line of "convenience" and "pay to win" is Eso, but it doesn't have as much fun stuff in the shop as Bdo does sadly. Though it still has a decent amount of them, so that's nice

The gameplay though, both are entirely different experiences and both cater to different audiences. In Bdo they focus more on the style of gameplay which forces you to move around alot and allowing you to play in almost any regard you wish. Eso on the other hand tries to focus on you moving around but more caters towards those who like to immerse themselves in the lore of the game and those who like to explore the world.

Even though I loathe Bdo, I do understand it's strong suites which make it a enjoyable game to play. But I also know it's faults too, which in my regards out weigh the enjoyable portions of the game. The community on the other hand in Bdo have only gotten worse over time, while in eso the community seems to be leveling out to a nice decent level of standard mmo communities. So in that regard, I must say that eso is better in terms of community standards.

The developers of Eso, when comparing them to the developers of Bdo are much more open about things than the developers of Bdo. But they can act be rather slow in proving any sort of comment, feedback, or assistance. So, in that regard I must conclude that they are both equal in overall terms. In terms of catering towards their community though, I think I'd side with Zenimax rather than Pearl Abyss but my prior experiances with them might be wavering my decision here.

Questing is rather a mixed bag for both parties but just to simplify things here and make this post a shorter than it would be If I talked in depth about both bdo and eso questing. I must say that I've had a much more immersive and fun experience with Eso's questing rather than Bdo's questing mostly in-part with the lore of the quest and characters being portrayed during said quest. Sure bdo's got some unique ones here and there but I didn't feel very immersed nor entertained on more than one regard, instead I felt like I was just doing my chores rather than being entertained. Which in a game is a very bad thing for a player to experience. So, again. I must side with Eso being the better of the two on questing.

The one with the better graphic on the other hand, must be Bdo without a doubt. Sure, Eso has some decent graphics but when comparing it to Bdo's; it just pales in comparison.

and lastly, the user interface for both games are slick in my personal opinion. So I can't decide which one is better over another.

TL:DR
If you want a game that you can immerse yourself in the lore and explore around alot, then yes, this game is for you.
If on the other hand you want a game you can do nearly anything in and just fish all the time in and still be rewarded for it, then you might wanna look elsewhere.

Thanks for the write up. I just saw an add for BDO for 5$ and was thinking about it.

FireCowCommando · November 2016

Getting to level 57 in BDO is the same as hitting the level (CP) cap in ESO.

Getting max level gear is way easier. Best in slot in ESO is about as much effort as getting 2 out of the 7 best in slot for BDO, to DUO.

Being bursted down in both games can happen in 1 or 2 seconds by someone who knows more about the game/better geared, but ESO has a much lower skill and gear cap so its obtainable with lower effort. About the same as hitting level 57 in BDO like i said before.

ESO has 4 player dungeons, and Trails (12 man group dungeons) so if your looking for that kind of PvE than ESO has it.

Questing in ESO the story is told in a better way, but the quests themselves are just as painful as BDO's.

ESO has been long plagued by slow reaction by the development team to make changes players want. Each update is 3 months apart, and its long been predetermined what each update will address, so getting changes to things important to the player base can take 3-12+ months.

Edit: In case you were wondering, i played the hell out of both games, 1000's of hours into both.

Rohamad_Ali · November 2016

When I start reading these threads about WoW and BDO , I get a little worried from the comments . It seems like in both these threads players start considering checking out these other games and that's a reflection on the state of the game . I hope ZOS gets with it soon as their silence lately is leaving more people in uncertainty and turning an eye towards other choices .

2017 is bringing a few more MMOS in the same gender of fantasy . There will be people leaving to check them out next year and we really need ZOS to be on the ball to keep players here . It's a dangerous time to go silent about the problems and direction of ESO . One Tamriel was far from a fix all and now developers can lean back in their chairs with the head resting in the hands . FAR FAR from it .

Sigma957 · November 2016

Hasn't BDO gone to P2W now? seen many a rant about it which I sincerely hope ESO never goes down that path.

Sheey · November 2016

Pay to Win is to correct way for every MMO. If you don't wanna spent money towards the game you like, you shouldn't be able to play it. Support your game, the company behind it.

Everything has a price*

Lumbermill_Emperor · November 2016

Sheey wrote: »

Pay to Win is to correct way for every MMO. If you don't wanna spent money towards the game you like, you shouldn't be able to play it. Support your game, the company behind it.

TOO FAT

Mush55 · November 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

Not much of a competition imho. ESO takes the cake, and housing will drop Q1 next year so there'll be that.

Why is everyone so pumped over bloody housing I want more content more dungeons, bosses, not some where to sit and look at furniture....

Sigma957 · November 2016

Sheey wrote: »

Pay to Win is to correct way for every MMO. If you don't wanna spent money towards the game you like, you shouldn't be able to play it. Support your game, the company behind it.

Everything has a price*

I support the game being a sub and buying crowns when needed that should be enough.

FireCowCommando · November 2016

Sigma957 wrote: »

Hasn't BDO gone to P2W now? seen many a rant about it which I sincerely hope ESO never goes down that path.

The blow up over P2W was over an announcement from the developers that they will allow selling cash shop items for in game silver, but before the players knew the exchange rate or details about what that entailed.

Basically, you can spend up to $120 per week (thats the limit) for 100 million in game silver, but another player has to buy your items for you to get that in game money. 100 million in game silver is about 10 hours of grinding, so its not a huge amount per week.

On the other hand $120 is a lot of money to spend every week.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2016

Mush55 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Not much of a competition imho. ESO takes the cake, and housing will drop Q1 next year so there'll be that.

Why is everyone so pumped over bloody housing I want more content more dungeons, bosses, not some where to sit and look at furniture....

Couldnt agree more. Im holding out hope because they really havent announced anything. But im fairly sure housing will be it.

Ackwalan · November 2016

Sheey wrote: »

Pay to Win is to correct way for every MMO. If you don't wanna spent money towards the game you like, you shouldn't be able to play it. Support your game, the company behind it.

Everything has a price*

That's not how P2W works.

Mush55 · November 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Mush55 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Not much of a competition imho. ESO takes the cake, and housing will drop Q1 next year so there'll be that.

Why is everyone so pumped over bloody housing I want more content more dungeons, bosses, not some where to sit and look at furniture....

Couldnt agree more. Im holding out hope because they really havent announced anything. But im fairly sure housing will be it.

And that my friend will see me log in even less than now,,,,,,,

Docmandu · November 2016

FireCowCommando wrote: »

ESO has been long plagued by slow reaction by the development team to make changes players want. Each update is 3 months apart, and its long been predetermined what each update will address, so getting changes to things important to the player base can take 3-12+ months.

Alas, this includes serious broken should-be-fixed-within-a-day stuff.

ie. example, with Update 12 they broke the login on the EU servers and you needed to jump through hoops to get online, which less savy people probably didn't even know how to... and it took them MORE than a week to come up with a fix.

or.. PvP lag that took more than 1.5 years to fix.. or like now where the new PvE drops are basically killing PvP (some stuff is so broken that you can instagib people if you want).

So I'd give ESO a high 8.5 score.. but ZOS a very very low 2 score.

failkiwib16_ESO · November 2016

In all honesty, ESO RNG sucks bad but in it's defence, there is no content in the game you can not finish with crafted gear or bought and traded gear. There are options beside the BiS gear, so you can basically go free and play content untill you get lucky with the RNG.

Set items in this game drop in green, blue and purple quality, and leaderboard rewards come in gold. Whatever item you have that is green can be upgraded to blue, purple and gold - if you take the slightest consideration and actually bother to join a trading guild and do a little selling, you can easily afford to dress up at least 1 character in full gold gear.

Crafted gear is white quality, but it can be upgraded to green, blue, purple and gold - just like looted gear.

If you care about the inviroment, take a look at the screenshots in this thread: Raw Tamriel - A Screenshot Collection

BTW: I only talk about ESO, because I have no experience with BDO so I can't really compare the two games, only explain how ESO is....

Welcome to ESO

Rohamad_Ali · November 2016

Docmandu wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

ESO has been long plagued by slow reaction by the development team to make changes players want. Each update is 3 months apart, and its long been predetermined what each update will address, so getting changes to things important to the player base can take 3-12+ months.

Alas, this includes serious broken should-be-fixed-within-a-day stuff.

ie. example, with Update 12 they broke the login on the EU servers and you needed to jump through hoops to get online, which less savy people probably didn't even know how to... and it took them MORE than a week to come up with a fix.

or.. PvP lag that took more than 1.5 years to fix.. or like now where the new PvE drops are basically killing PvP (some stuff is so broken that you can instagib people if you want).

So I'd give ESO a high 8.5 score.. but ZOS a very very low 2 score.

They have a lot of open job positions right now . Some for outsourced art and some for lead positions . I wonder if there's been a big changing of the guard once again .

https://jobs.zenimax.com/locations/view/7

silky_soft · November 2016

Sheey wrote: »

Where are the hurricanes in Cyrodiil?

there is plenty mate. Usually followed up by viper veli widomaker proc and death.

1mirg · November 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

They have a lot of open job positions right now . Some for outsourced art and some for lead positions . I wonder if there's been a big changing of the guard once again .

https://jobs.zenimax.com/locations/view/7

Lets take a look at some of the job listed there, then. See if we can spot any worrying ones.

Contract Animator

Alright, nothing big so far.

Contract Social Engagement Analyst

Alittle worrying but nothing too big.

Lead Console Programmer

...at least the platform administrator is still taken, right?

Senior Platform Administrator

I spoke too soon.

Analytics & Operations Manager/Director

*sigh*

Vaoh · November 2016

Mush55 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Not much of a competition imho. ESO takes the cake, and housing will drop Q1 next year so there'll be that.

Why is everyone so pumped over bloody housing I want more content more dungeons, bosses, not some where to sit and look at furniture....

I am super excited for player housing!

All I want to do is store the near thousand items I have hoarded so I can delete my pack mules and finally play without organizing every time I get nice loot.

I'm at the point where it's time to take a break from ESO for the first time because organization is so annoying.

I've got full BiS Maelstrom sets, PvP sets, all of the good group dungeon sets, all of the BiS DPS sets for my Magicka Sorc, tons of pots, 200+ Kothringi/Mazzatun styled items stored for when they are craftable (decon for mats), most of the BiS maelstrom weapons, all sorts of rare and unique items from dolmens/stealing/Vet trial gold treasure/etc, tons of weapons and armor ive made legendary for use.....

Recently my ESO Plus ran out so one character is storing mats.

I NEED a house to store all of my stuff in. Willing to spend literally all of my gold to have an awesome house. This'll be a huge addition to the game for me and for many others as well.

Why do I store all of this stuff you ask? Well, I plan to have fun with many of these sets ofc, and they're always there when I need them.

I'll have like 600K-1M when housing releases to spend