Guild Traders, a thoroughly miserable experience

collettd101 · November 2016

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Brutusmax1mus · November 2016

They are the worst thing in console. Thank goodness for ps4 communities...

Prof_Bawbag · November 2016

I agree they're bad. The worst part is, most of the guilds that advertise their services stating "new members welcome" on these very forums make zero mention of the fact they'll make *** poor thinly veiled threats to all their members on a weekly basis that unless you donate 5k per week, you the 'freeloader' will be removed. Best part is, the very successful guilds that are the worst offenders for this are the ones with the guild masters sitting on millions upon millions of gold whilst they hound some lowly scrub for 5k of his first week pittance. Hey, works like real life some may say. They should at least be upfront when advertising on here that guild membership isn't free.

There is one guild i donate weekly gold too because they have allowed me to accumulate a lot of gold since i began and it was down to them I managed to amass a lot of gold quickly. Guilds that rarely manage to shift my items don't get nothing other than the listing fees.

TerraDewBerry · November 2016

I hate with a passion the guild trader system. I keep hoping at some point in time ZOS will figure out what a PITA they really are. I know there are people who make a killing off their guild stores, and they probably love their guild traders, but I honestly think those people are in the minority.

I wonder what it would take for ZOS to create a universal auction house or if not that, maybe one auction house per faction?
All the little guild trader NPCs could be re-purposed as auction house access.

Prof_Bawbag · November 2016

What becomes glaringly obvious after awhile and when you begin to recognise names a lot of the larger guilds are run by the same people and their associates. It's a very small minority of people funnelling large amounts of gold whilst telling the rest of us we've to give them more.

Saucy_Jack · November 2016

Let me break this down, just to clarify:

There are three main factors that go into why a "large trading guild" is successful:

a) A competent guildmaster with competent guild officers
b) A very good location that is constantly bombarded with foot traffic
c) guild members who are constantly putting things up for sale at prices where they will actually sell (i.e. not trying to sell 10k items for 100k, etc.)

Part/most of the reason why the large guilds request weekly dues is because in order to secure factor b), the bids are ridiculously high for the best spots. As in, multi-millions of gold. Whether anyone agrees that they should be that high or not is irrelevant; the fact is they do cost that much. So asking 5k or whatever a week for a location that will easily net you 100K worth of sales if you're the least bit competent in trading is not a hard stretch.

One of my guilds is Ethereal Traders Union. Our guildmaster @Anslay is the freaking best, and even if she were "sitting on millions upon millions of gold", I'd be fine with that, because as guildmaster the sheer amount of work she puts into keeping our guild running like clockwork and running events, etc. is immense and she would deserve every penny (does gold have pennies?).

The moral of the story is that if you think you're ready to be a member of one of the "large trading guilds" and yet are having so much trouble selling enough stuff to cover a 5k-or-whatever-it-is weekly due, then the reality is that you're not ready to be a member of one of the large trading guilds. That's not meant to sound snooty; it's just the face-value of the situation. Heck, sell a single tempering alloy for 10k. Hey, look at that, you have two weeks' worth of dues! Maybe 5k a week would be a bit much if you were in some boonie-ville location in the middle of nowhere, but if the guild's centrally located in a high traffic zone, coming up with 5k should be a five-minute endeavour, if that.

Astanphaeus · November 2016

Guild traders are the best.

alexkdd99 · November 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I agree they're bad. The worst part is, most of the guilds that advertise their services stating "new members welcome" on these very forums make zero mention of the fact they'll make *** poor thinly veiled threats to all their members on a weekly basis that unless you donate 5k per week, you the 'freeloader' will be removed. Best part is, the very successful guilds that are the worst offenders for this are the ones with the guild masters sitting on millions upon millions of gold whilst they hound some lowly scrub for 5k of his first week pittance. Hey, works like real life some may say. They should at least be upfront when advertising on here that guild membership isn't free.

There is one guild i donate weekly gold too because they have allowed me to accumulate a lot of gold since i began and it was down to them I managed to amass a lot of gold quickly. Guilds that rarely manage to shift my items don't get nothing other than the listing fees.

Of course they will kick you for not paying your share, and they should.

Most if not all will tell you about the fee before joining and you agree to it. If you agree to pay the fees then you should just pay them. They shouldn't have to continually remind people to pay the fee, or as you say threaten? I don't call asking someone to do something they agreed to do a threat but whatever.

Honestly they shouldn't have to go through and check if everyone has paid but if not people will screw everyone else in guild over and not pay their share.

Traders appear like they will be around for quite a while longer, and that makes the game better imo. I for one enjoy the traders and hope we never see anything even close to an auction house.

Edit: also you should try running a top tier trade guild for any amount of time and you will see that these guild masters deserve anything they get plus more. I don't think many people understand everything that goes into running a trade guild that always keeps a trader in prime location.

TerraDewBerry · November 2016

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Let me break this down, just to clarify:

There are three main factors that go into why a "large trading guild" is successful:

a) A competent guildmaster with competent guild officers
b) A very good location that is constantly bombarded with foot traffic
c) guild members who are constantly putting things up for sale at prices where they will actually sell (i.e. not trying to sell 10k items for 100k, etc.)

Part/most of the reason why the large guilds request weekly dues is because in order to secure factor b), the bids are ridiculously high for the best spots. As in, multi-millions of gold. Whether anyone agrees that they should be that high or not is irrelevant; the fact is they do cost that much. So asking 5k or whatever a week for a location that will easily net you 100K worth of sales if you're the least bit competent in trading is not a hard stretch.

One of my guilds is Ethereal Traders Union. Our guildmaster @Anslay is the freaking best, and even if she were "sitting on millions upon millions of gold", I'd be fine with that, because as guildmaster the sheer amount of work she puts into keeping our guild running like clockwork and running events, etc. is immense and she would deserve every penny (does gold have pennies?).

The moral of the story is that if you think you're ready to be a member of one of the "large trading guilds" and yet are having so much trouble selling enough stuff to cover a 5k-or-whatever-it-is weekly due, then the reality is that you're not ready to be a member of one of the large trading guilds. That's not meant to sound snooty; it's just the face-value of the situation. Heck, sell a single tempering alloy for 10k. Hey, look at that, you have two weeks' worth of dues! Maybe 5k a week would be a bit much if you were in some boonie-ville location in the middle of nowhere, but if the guild's centrally located in a high traffic zone, coming up with 5k should be a five-minute endeavour, if that.

My point is, having a universal auction house would place the main responsibility on the individual to decide what and when they want to sell something without having to try and do whatever is require for them to stay in their guild that has or tries to have a guild trader. There would no longer be this running all over creation to try and see if you can find the thing you want to buy or to try and see what a reasonable selling price would be. Guild members wouldn't have guild masters and guild officers asking them for donations or anything else to support the purchase of a guild trader.

You make the point of saying how much effort it takes to keep a guild trader going.. and I agree.. it has to be just a hellish nightmare to have to do that week after week. There is no way in all of god's creation I would ever do that as a guild master. I pity guild masters who spend countless hours of their free time in an effort to chase the "all mighty guild trader store". This is a freakin' game.. it shouldn't be like a second real life job.

It's really unfortunate that for whatever reason, ZOS just can't let go of what has turned out to be for many (not all) a miserable option for selling and /or buying in game items. If they could just let go of the guild trader stores, and install a universal auction house.. I believe there would be much rejoicing throughout the land of Tamriel..

Isbilen · November 2016

The guild trader system in trying to be unique, only creates problems and no real benefits. It really is a pain from every angle. Buying a sword ends up taking 30 minutes because you're teleporting from city to city. There's the chance that you won't sell anything for weeks because your guild was outbid. There's no alternative for those who only play every once in a while when every guild has a 2-5 day inactivity limit. It creates zone chat spam. It creates annoying drama between guilds where they go as far as doxxing each other.

dpencil · November 2016

Some people really like being in trading guilds where they feel a personal connection to their guild and the competition for good spots drives sales and recruitment. A worldwide auction house basically kills any point in having trading guilds. Yes it's more legwork to run around Tamriel hunting for the best deal, but that's a choice you can make. You could just go to the highest trafficked spots and pay whatever they ask or hunt out in the boonies for the rare super low priced awesome item. A worldwide auction house also makes it easier to create forced inflation because super rich players can buy up all of something instantly and relist it much higher. This is much harder with a guild trader system.

Maybe a good compromise would be having a listing in the search panel with other locations in the world where an item is also posted, so you could go hunt it down there rather than having to just check everywhere aimlessly. Example: I open the guild trader window at Joe's Guild and search for a sharpened sword of Mother's Sorrow. It shows no listings at Joe's trader but then lists Deshaan-Mournhold as a location where one is posted. I port over there and check the traders to find the sword...and cry at how expensive it is.

SHADOW2KK · November 2016

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.

And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.

Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.

Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.

In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.

Just saying.

TerraDewBerry · November 2016

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.

And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.

Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.

Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.

In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.

Just saying.

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.

I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.

Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.

SHADOW2KK · November 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.

And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.

Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.

Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.

In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.

Just saying.

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.

I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.

Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.

Yeah, I can name several off the top of my head.

Harrods on PC EU for one.

And a lot of people do not like auction houses, you are in one camp, and many are in the other, the AH debate has raged on these forums since the game released, and every time it gets shot down.

It is very easy to make gold in this game, it`s not rocket science

Even doing crafting writs on a few chars per day can net up and more than 100K + and gold mats, there are loads of ways to make gold.

And if you are networked enough into the main trade guilds, then finding things is not really an issue.

Knowledge is power.

TerraDewBerry · November 2016

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.

And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.

Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.

Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.

In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.

Just saying.

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.

I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.

Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.

Yeah, I can name several off the top of my head.

Harrods on PC EU for one.

And a lot of people do not like auction houses, you are in one camp, and many are in the other, the AH debate has raged on these forums since the game released, and every time it gets shot down.

It is very easy to make gold in this game, it`s not rocket science

Even doing crafting writs on a few chars per day can net up and more than 100K + and gold mats, there are loads of ways to make gold.

And if you are networked enough into the main trade guilds, then finding things is not really an issue.

Knowledge is power.

I play on PC/NA, so I have no idea about that guild at all. If they don't have any fees and no sell requirements.. how do they get the great spot from week to week? Just asking.

Not once did I say I had a problem making gold in this game. I'm sitting on just a little over 2 million (which I know is not that much to many people). It's not about the money... it's about the entire system.

Yes, I am in one camp, and others are in the other camp. What I am saying is that ZOS should let the players decide what they want by offering both systems. May the "best system" win. I'm saying I believe the guild trading store option would probably not last very long at all if there was a real choice and people could have the freedom to opt for the auction house system if that was what they wanted to use.

Taleof2Cities · November 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it?

I can name several on PC NA.

Simply put, many people do like the guild trader store system.

But, don't take my word for it ... do a search in the forums on Auction House threads.

Or, better yet, join a guild and find out for yourself.

SHADOW2KK · November 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.

And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.

Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.

Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.

In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.

Just saying.

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.

I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.

Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.

Yeah, I can name several off the top of my head.

Harrods on PC EU for one.

And a lot of people do not like auction houses, you are in one camp, and many are in the other, the AH debate has raged on these forums since the game released, and every time it gets shot down.

It is very easy to make gold in this game, it`s not rocket science

Even doing crafting writs on a few chars per day can net up and more than 100K + and gold mats, there are loads of ways to make gold.

And if you are networked enough into the main trade guilds, then finding things is not really an issue.

Knowledge is power.

I play on PC/NA, so I have no idea about that guild at all. If they don't have any fees and no sell requirements.. how do they get the great spot from week to week? Just asking.

Not once did I say I had a problem making gold in this game. I'm sitting on just a little over 2 million (which I know is not that much to many people). It's not about the money... it's about the entire system.

Yes, I am in one camp, and others are in the other camp. What I am saying is that ZOS should let the players decide what they want by offering both systems. May the "best system" win. I'm saying I believe the guild trading store option would probably not last very long at all if there was a real choice and people could have the freedom to opt for the auction house system if that was what they wanted to use.

Not sure tbh, and dont particularly care either, but there are a number of decent trade guilds in EU that manage good spots, on a regular or semi regular basis, I think in terms of Harrods it is by voluntary donations with some perks being enabled if you do, but it is not mandatory.

Hehe, peasant

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Fair point, maybe the AH would win just for convenience alone, but that would come with its own pitfalls.

TerraDewBerry · November 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it?

I can name several on PC NA.

Simply put, many people do like the guild trader store system.

But, don't take my word for it ... do a search in the forums on Auction House threads.

Or, better yet, join a guild and find out for yourself.

I am in a guild. Several guilds. I was wondering when the white knights would come out in force.

All I'm suggesting is for ZOS to actually allow they player base a choice. See how long the guild trader store option would really last if there was an actual option for something else.

All the people who love the guild trader system could have a blast doing what they love.. and for the people who would opt to use an central auction house.. we would be happy too. Is there some reason that would not be a best of both worlds?

MercyKilling · November 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

actually allow they player base a choice. See how long the guild trader store option would really last if there was an actual option for something else.

Now this is an idea I can get behind. Give us the option of using either/or system. Keep guild traders and put in a global auction house and let's see which system gets more traffic/use.

AzuraKin · November 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

collettd101 wrote: »

Been playing ESO for quite a while now and am still enjoying the game. One thing that I don't at all enjoy in any way is the guild trader system. It sucks having to go all over the world checking traders in every city trying to find a particular item. It also sucks that as a casual player, that the fees guilds have to charge to fund their trader exceeds what you can make selling items. That is unless your one of those players that has a minifridge next to the desk and a toilet for a computer chair who farm extremely rare items and sell them for huge prices. It also sucks that most guilds end up burning out trying to keep their trader and give up. Then you have to leave them and find a new trader guild. After about 10 iterations, this is very annoying. Really, this is one feature in the game that is all con and no pro. If you want a money sink in the game, hurry up and put in player housing.

Maybe for you, there are some really good trade guilds who do not charge weeklies, try finding them.

And making profits without being a hardcore trader is easy.

Plenty of guides out there for making gold if you cannot figure them out by yourself.

Making the first million can be problematic, after that, they just roll in.

In the time it took for you to type that, you could have sourced a guide or two.

Just saying.

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it? Simply put, many people do not like the guild trader store system at all.

I wonder just how long the guild trader store system would last if ZOS offered both systems where people could opt to sell and shop at the universal auction house and/or participate in their trading guilds so they could have such a great time running all over Tamriel trying to find a good price for whatever they want to buy or trying to gage the price they should try and sell things for.

Basically the universal auction house would win in the end as more and more people dropped their trading guilds who have X requirements to be in the guild, and would opted to just buy and sell at the universal auction house because it would offer better competition in one convenient place. It's not rocket science.

here a thing, if you want an global auction house, go play a game with a global auctionhouse. most people in this game dont want global auctionhouses. in fact i dont know of anyone that wanted global auctionhouses back before you had guild trade vendors. rather then asking for something cause your too much of a lazy *** why dont you be thankful you can actually sell to people who are not members of your trade guild.

AzuraKin · November 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it?

I can name several on PC NA.

Simply put, many people do like the guild trader store system.

But, don't take my word for it ... do a search in the forums on Auction House threads.

Or, better yet, join a guild and find out for yourself.

I am in a guild. Several guilds. I was wondering when the white knights would come out in force. All I'm suggesting is for ZOS to actually allow they player base a choice. See how long the guild trader store option would really last if there was an actual option for something else.

All the people who love the guild trader system could have a blast doing what they love.. and for the people who would opt to use an central auction house.. we would be happy too. Is there some reason that would not be a best of both worlds?

or how about this, you think tempering alloys are high now? make a global auction house and see them triple in price (and that probably a conservative estimate).

TerraDewBerry · November 2016

AzuraKin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it?

I can name several on PC NA.

Simply put, many people do like the guild trader store system.

But, don't take my word for it ... do a search in the forums on Auction House threads.

Or, better yet, join a guild and find out for yourself.

I am in a guild. Several guilds. I was wondering when the white knights would come out in force. All I'm suggesting is for ZOS to actually allow they player base a choice. See how long the guild trader store option would really last if there was an actual option for something else.

All the people who love the guild trader system could have a blast doing what they love.. and for the people who would opt to use an central auction house.. we would be happy too. Is there some reason that would not be a best of both worlds?

or how about this, you think tempering alloys are high now? make a global auction house and see them triple in price (and that probably a conservative estimate).

I don't think that would happen. Now there would probably be people who tried to control the auction house to control the price, but there would be so many people using the auction house at all hours of the day that they would need to do not much else other than trying to control the prices... but eventually, they would grow tired of this, and move on I would think.

Basically we would see what we see now with people undercutting the highest price in order to make a quick sale. There would be many many people selling all sorts of stuff, so the competition would be high. There is almost always someone who is willing to sell for less than the other guy.

All I am advocating for is a choice. If I were given a choice, I wouldn't have to even think twice about what option I would pick. I would hands down prefer a global auction house.

P.S. Also, let's not forget, tempering alloys can be farmed for, so no one is forced to buy off the auction house if the prices are more than they are willing to pay.. also, if people are unwilling to buy at a price that is too high, eventually, those who are selling will have a choice to make... keep trying to sell for too high, or lower the price so the item sells.

BTW, I have never once bought a tempering alloy or any other gold upgrade item off the guild trader. I farm for the things I need.... just saying.

Myrcy · November 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it?

I can name several on PC NA.

Simply put, many people do like the guild trader store system.

But, don't take my word for it ... do a search in the forums on Auction House threads.

Or, better yet, join a guild and find out for yourself.

I am in a guild. Several guilds. I was wondering when the white knights would come out in force. All I'm suggesting is for ZOS to actually allow they player base a choice. See how long the guild trader store option would really last if there was an actual option for something else.

All the people who love the guild trader system could have a blast doing what they love.. and for the people who would opt to use an central auction house.. we would be happy too. Is there some reason that would not be a best of both worlds?

or how about this, you think tempering alloys are high now? make a global auction house and see them triple in price (and that probably a conservative estimate).

I don't think that would happen. Now there would probably be people who tried to control the auction house to control the price, but there would be so many people using the auction house at all hours of the day that they would need to do not much else other than trying to control the prices... but eventually, they would grow tired of this, and move on I would think.

Basically we would see what we see now with people undercutting the highest price in order to make a quick sale. There would be many many people selling all sorts of stuff, so the competition would be high. There is almost always someone who is willing to sell for less than the other guy.

All I am advocating for is a choice. If I were given a choice, I wouldn't have to even think twice about what option I would pick. I would hands down prefer a global auction house.

P.S. Also, let's not forget, tempering alloys can be farmed for, so no one is forced to buy off the auction house if the prices are more than they are willing to pay.. also, if people are unwilling to buy at a price that is too high, eventually, those who are selling will have a choice to make... keep trying to sell for too high, or lower the price so the item sells.

BTW, I have never once bought a tempering alloy or any other gold upgrade item off the guild trader. I farm for the things I need.... just saying.

I"m confused..

If you farm for the things you need then why are you spending so much time complaining about the trader system on the forums?

TerraDewBerry · November 2016

Myrcy wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it?

I can name several on PC NA.

Simply put, many people do like the guild trader store system.

But, don't take my word for it ... do a search in the forums on Auction House threads.

Or, better yet, join a guild and find out for yourself.

I am in a guild. Several guilds. I was wondering when the white knights would come out in force. All I'm suggesting is for ZOS to actually allow they player base a choice. See how long the guild trader store option would really last if there was an actual option for something else.

All the people who love the guild trader system could have a blast doing what they love.. and for the people who would opt to use an central auction house.. we would be happy too. Is there some reason that would not be a best of both worlds?

or how about this, you think tempering alloys are high now? make a global auction house and see them triple in price (and that probably a conservative estimate).

I don't think that would happen. Now there would probably be people who tried to control the auction house to control the price, but there would be so many people using the auction house at all hours of the day that they would need to do not much else other than trying to control the prices... but eventually, they would grow tired of this, and move on I would think.

Basically we would see what we see now with people undercutting the highest price in order to make a quick sale. There would be many many people selling all sorts of stuff, so the competition would be high. There is almost always someone who is willing to sell for less than the other guy.

All I am advocating for is a choice. If I were given a choice, I wouldn't have to even think twice about what option I would pick. I would hands down prefer a global auction house.

P.S. Also, let's not forget, tempering alloys can be farmed for, so no one is forced to buy off the auction house if the prices are more than they are willing to pay.. also, if people are unwilling to buy at a price that is too high, eventually, those who are selling will have a choice to make... keep trying to sell for too high, or lower the price so the item sells.

BTW, I have never once bought a tempering alloy or any other gold upgrade item off the guild trader. I farm for the things I need.... just saying.

I"m confused..

If you farm for the things you need then why are you spending so much time complaining about the trader system on the forums?

Because I dislike the system, dislike the guilds I've been in who pump their members for donations/gold/ X to be able to keep the godforsaken guild trader, and I would like to have a choice about how I sell and buy the items I do. Just because I don't buy tempering items off the guild trader stores does not mean I don't sell them and or buy other things.

Why exactly are people so threatened by the idea of allowing the player base the option to make a choice? If the guild trader store option is so great.. then what is the fear in allowing people to make a choice and or maybe use both? I personally wouldn't use both.. but I'm not afraid to allow people a choice either.

Saucy_Jack · November 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Because I dislike the system, dislike the guilds I've been in who pump their members for donations/gold/ X to be able to keep the godforsaken guild trader, and I would like to have a choice about how I sell and buy the items I do.

There's already a choice - buying and selling in zone chat. If that's the route you want to take, I'd suggest Deshaan, Grahtwood, Stormhaven, and Reaper's March since those zones generally have the most foot traffic out of all the zones, though some might include Craglorn and Wrothgar in that list as well.

Valethar · November 2016

AzuraKin wrote: »

most people in this game don't want global auction houses. in fact i don't know of anyone that wanted global auction houses back before you had guild trade vendors.

And yet I clearly recall numerous threads back during Alpha/Beta asking for an AH.

It's been a thing for quite a while. It's not a matter of 'most people want/don't want' (never mind that people using that line have absolutely zero hard evidence or metrics to back the claims), ZOS decided they didn't want an AH, and instead went with something else. In the end, that's all that matters, because they're the ones that make the decisions.

TerraDewBerry · November 2016

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Because I dislike the system, dislike the guilds I've been in who pump their members for donations/gold/ X to be able to keep the godforsaken guild trader, and I would like to have a choice about how I sell and buy the items I do.

There's already a choice - buying and selling in zone chat. If that's the route you want to take, I'd suggest Deshaan, Grahtwood, Stormhaven, and Reaper's March since those zones generally have the most foot traffic out of all the zones, though some might include Craglorn and Wrothgar in that list as well.

That's not really an adequate choice. A global auction house would have potentially the possibility of anyone and everyone as sellers or buyers. Selling in zone chat reaches just that... zone chat. What I am advocating for does not infringe on the rights of anyone else to make a choice. It just gives options and lets the chips fall where they may. My guess is that the guild trader stores would fall to the wayside in time because having a global auction house is just more convenient, offers a better selection of items, and more competition for selling and buying.

AzuraKin · November 2016

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Myrcy wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Can you name one really good trading guild that does not charge a weekly fee or doesn't have a you must sell X amount weekly requirement to stay in it?

I can name several on PC NA.

Simply put, many people do like the guild trader store system.

But, don't take my word for it ... do a search in the forums on Auction House threads.

Or, better yet, join a guild and find out for yourself.

I am in a guild. Several guilds. I was wondering when the white knights would come out in force. All I'm suggesting is for ZOS to actually allow they player base a choice. See how long the guild trader store option would really last if there was an actual option for something else.

All the people who love the guild trader system could have a blast doing what they love.. and for the people who would opt to use an central auction house.. we would be happy too. Is there some reason that would not be a best of both worlds?

or how about this, you think tempering alloys are high now? make a global auction house and see them triple in price (and that probably a conservative estimate).

I don't think that would happen. Now there would probably be people who tried to control the auction house to control the price, but there would be so many people using the auction house at all hours of the day that they would need to do not much else other than trying to control the prices... but eventually, they would grow tired of this, and move on I would think.

Basically we would see what we see now with people undercutting the highest price in order to make a quick sale. There would be many many people selling all sorts of stuff, so the competition would be high. There is almost always someone who is willing to sell for less than the other guy.

All I am advocating for is a choice. If I were given a choice, I wouldn't have to even think twice about what option I would pick. I would hands down prefer a global auction house.

P.S. Also, let's not forget, tempering alloys can be farmed for, so no one is forced to buy off the auction house if the prices are more than they are willing to pay.. also, if people are unwilling to buy at a price that is too high, eventually, those who are selling will have a choice to make... keep trying to sell for too high, or lower the price so the item sells.

BTW, I have never once bought a tempering alloy or any other gold upgrade item off the guild trader. I farm for the things I need.... just saying.

I"m confused..

If you farm for the things you need then why are you spending so much time complaining about the trader system on the forums?

Because I dislike the system, dislike the guilds I've been in who pump their members for donations/gold/ X to be able to keep the godforsaken guild trader, and I would like to have a choice about how I sell and buy the items I do. Just because I don't buy tempering items off the guild trader stores does not mean I don't sell them and or buy other things.

Why exactly are people so threatened by the idea of allowing the player base the option to make a choice? If the guild trader store option is so great.. then what is the fear in allowing people to make a choice and or maybe use both? I personally wouldn't use both.. but I'm not afraid to allow people a choice either.

you do have a choice, join a trader post stuff to sell on thier trade store, or sell items through zone/guild chat. your choice.

AzuraKin · November 2016

Valethar wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

most people in this game don't want global auction houses. in fact i don't know of anyone that wanted global auction houses back before you had guild trade vendors.

And yet I clearly recall numerous threads back during Alpha/Beta asking for an AH.

It's been a thing for quite a while. It's not a matter of 'most people want/don't want' (never mind that people using that line have absolutely zero hard evidence or metrics to back the claims), ZOS decided they didn't want an AH, and instead went with something else. In the end, that's all that matters, because they're the ones that make the decisions.

and majority of players like it. if we wanted a game that had a global auction house, guess what, we wouldnt have played eso for 2+ years.

TerraDewBerry · November 2016

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AzuraKin wrote: »

Valethar wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

most people in this game don't want global auction houses. in fact i don't know of anyone that wanted global auction houses back before you had guild trade vendors.

And yet I clearly recall numerous threads back during Alpha/Beta asking for an AH.

It's been a thing for quite a while. It's not a matter of 'most people want/don't want' (never mind that people using that line have absolutely zero hard evidence or metrics to back the claims), ZOS decided they didn't want an AH, and instead went with something else. In the end, that's all that matters, because they're the ones that make the decisions.

and majority of players like it. if we wanted a game that had a global auction house, guess what, we wouldnt have played eso for 2+ years.

Riiigggghhhht... because the only reason people play ESO is for their fantastic guild trader stores........ <smirk>

I play ESO despite their convoluted, godforsaken guild trader stores.. luckily, there are many aspects in ESO that I'm willing to keep playing for..

ArnoTerranova · November 2016

To answer the very first post of this debate, I think collettd101 made her point. As casual player, you can't join active trading guild, that is a fact. And casual player or veteran trader, how many times will the guild loss their merchant etc. and business stop running despite the amount of gold you put in it. Yes, as mentioned Saucy_Jack, there are successful trading guilds with competent people leading them, but I don't think that is the point here because those guilds are not used by everyone. The point is to enhance the game experience of the majority of players, including casual ones.

A general auction house would be nice:
- so people don't have to check every sellers in the world
- to actually give a chance to people to sell their stuff and not get stuck with it.
- to avoid the high turnover of creation & loss of guilds.
- so people like me don't have to use 4 slots of trading guild just to sell the things you collect within a week.
- and NO, a global auction house would NOT rise the price, on the contrary. Ahnastashia was right to say, when asked about the rise in price:

Ahnastashia wrote: »

I don't think that would happen. Now there would probably be people who tried to control the auction house to control the price, but there would be so many people using the auction house at all hours of the day that they would need to do not much else other than trying to control the prices... but eventually, they would grow tired of this, and move on I would think.

By putting a global auction house, there are so many people delivering daily product that could can't - even with several millions of gold - own the globability of the world market.

Although I prefer the Auction House system, because its practical, I like the rpg side of the Trade Guild in TESO. Probably many players will share the same opinion. Therefore, maybe the solution lies in defining a system of a Auction House, + Trading Guild could be fusioned/merged together? Like, the Trade Guild provide stuff for Auction House and get a % in reward? Or Trading Guilds have a special "category" for them in the Auction House, etc. ? I m sure that the community could come up with nice ideas to satisfy everyone.