Molten Armaments and Lightning/Resto attacks

Masel · November 2016

I was thinking about using my aether/elegance/vMA Lightning staff build on my magicka dk with a vMA Resto on back bar for the arena and was wondering if the 40% buff from molten Armaments buffs every tick of the channeled attacks, or only the last one. Can't test it myself atm, so I'd be happy if someone could help me

Has anyone tried this and can confirm one or the other?

Tremors · November 2016

Correct it does.

Masel · November 2016

Nice, one more toon to leftclick my way through vma

thank you sir!

Armitas · November 2016

If you put 75 points into thaumaturge or that line you will get the exploit passive which increases your damage against off balance targets. Now, if you put down a lit wall and channel your lit staff you will set enemies of balance you will do additional off balance allowing you do additional heavy attack damage as well as additional damage from the exploit bonus. In addition the off balance latches with lit wall so you can proc flame lash continually. It works on some trial bossess for certain, I haven't tried them all though. I accidentally deconned my vma lit staff, rip and haven't checked anything new.

Masel · November 2016

I use the same thing in my sorc and it's awesome, got me to flawless pretty fast, I have a full run video and build here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/3536396#Comment_3536396

Actually never thought about the passive
Is it really worth putting in all the points? You would have to erase a lot in elfborn and elemental expert.

Armitas · November 2016

Masel92 wrote: »

I use the same thing in my sorc and it's awesome, got me to flawless pretty fast, I have a full run video and build here:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/3536396#Comment_3536396

Actually never thought about the passive
Is it really worth putting in all the points? You would have to erase a lot in elfborn and elemental expert.

I never stuck with it to test it long enough. I think it would depend on a lot variables as well as getting a good survey of what bosses it works on.

Tremors · November 2016

You can set everything off balance. I have a build I'll be posting to tam foundry over the coming week which has given me the best output on HA.

Masel · November 2016

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

You can set everything off balance. I have a build I'll be posting to tam foundry over the coming week which has given me the best output on HA.

Looking forward to that! My mag dk is level 13, but I'll test it definitely when he's leveled

I like the playstyle of heavy attacks, very easy dps and highly survivable!

Tremors · November 2016

Masel92 wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

You can set everything off balance. I have a build I'll be posting to tam foundry over the coming week which has given me the best output on HA.

Looking forward to that! My mag dk is level 13, but I'll test it definitely when he's leveled I like the playstyle of heavy attacks, very easy dps and highly survivable!

It's actually a sorc setup initially and then I did try a similar style on the DK so it can be used for both just different skill rotation. I find the sorc to be more effective as it can be played from 17-28m away depending, which is a LOT more viable than face mashing with a DK.

Masel · November 2016

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

You can set everything off balance. I have a build I'll be posting to tam foundry over the coming week which has given me the best output on HA.

Looking forward to that! My mag dk is level 13, but I'll test it definitely when he's leveled I like the playstyle of heavy attacks, very easy dps and highly survivable!

It's actually a sorc setup initially and then I did try a similar style on the DK so it can be used for both just different skill rotation. I find the sorc to be more effective as it can be played from 17-28m away depending, which is a LOT more viable than face mashing with a DK.

Maybe you can look into my build and see how I can improve it further. As I did flawless vma and all vet trials except vMoL with it, it can't be that bad.

Tremors · November 2016

Masel92 wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

You can set everything off balance. I have a build I'll be posting to tam foundry over the coming week which has given me the best output on HA.

Looking forward to that! My mag dk is level 13, but I'll test it definitely when he's leveled I like the playstyle of heavy attacks, very easy dps and highly survivable!

It's actually a sorc setup initially and then I did try a similar style on the DK so it can be used for both just different skill rotation. I find the sorc to be more effective as it can be played from 17-28m away depending, which is a LOT more viable than face mashing with a DK.

Maybe you can look into my build and see how I can improve it further. As I did flawless vma and all vet trials except vMoL with it, it can't be that bad.

I did actually see your build video man, I just don't know how great your parse would be, you should bloodspawn it. It's situationally good for vma though.

Masel · November 2016

I actually did that, dps was around 28k (with major breach), so not outstanding, but alright and sufficient for most content. What I like about it is that as soon as you have one or two adds next to bosses, it out-dpses most other builds as it it does constant and throughout AoE damage and sufficient single target as well. And I don't have an actual fixed rotation and use different skills than in the build guide (velocious curse and meteor on back bar too) in group content. I plan to use the same gear on my magicka dk (actually got two sharpened vma lightning staffs) to get on the leaderboards, as it should be possible to achieve up to 540k score with it too.

Tremors · November 2016

Yeah the AOE dmg makes it shine. You got a video of the bloodspawn?

Beruge · November 2016

Magick Dragonknight

5 elegant, 4 overwhelming, 2 molag kena.

Firestaff/lightning staff.

start with molten armament, then your little fire thing that shoots every 5 secs, 2 light attacks to proc kena, fire staff heavy attack into a destructive fire reach, switch bar to lightning staff and do heavy attack.

Watch people melt, you are welcome.

Not the best build, but it sure is fun. Just make sure you got spell damage enchants on your weapons

Masel · November 2016

Beruge wrote: »

Magick Dragonknight

5 elegant, 4 overwhelming, 2 molag kena.

Firestaff/lightning staff.

start with molten armament, then your little fire thing that shoots every 5 secs, 2 light attacks to proc kena, fire staff heavy attack into a destructive fire reach, switch bar to lightning staff and do heavy attack.

Watch people melt, you are welcome.

Not the best build, but it sure is fun. Just make sure you got spell damage enchants on your weapons

Sounds like fun, but my intention is rather PvE-oriented... And for vma, getting around a resto staff on a magicka dk is difficult for me

Masel · November 2016

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Yeah the AOE dmg makes it shine. You got a video of the bloodspawn?

Nope, but I can do it again, upload it and post it. Have exams right now, which is why I have limited playtime

Tremors · November 2016

Masel92 wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Yeah the AOE dmg makes it shine. You got a video of the bloodspawn?

Nope, but I can do it again, upload it and post it. Have exams right now, which is why I have limited playtime

Sounds good man just msg it to me and I'll msg you the one I did. I'd just like to see

mine was around 36k single target.

Xvorg · November 2016

Masel92 wrote: »

I was thinking about using my aether/elegance/vMA Lightning staff build on my magicka dk with a vMA Resto on back bar for the arena and was wondering if the 40% buff from molten Armaments buffs every tick of the channeled attacks, or only the last one. Can't test it myself atm, so I'd be happy if someone could help me

Has anyone tried this and can confirm one or the other?

lightning staff is the only offensive weapon which its basic dmg is directly boosted through 3 CP stars: elemental expert, thaum and staff expert

Masel · November 2016

Xvorg wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

I was thinking about using my aether/elegance/vMA Lightning staff build on my magicka dk with a vMA Resto on back bar for the arena and was wondering if the 40% buff from molten Armaments buffs every tick of the channeled attacks, or only the last one. Can't test it myself atm, so I'd be happy if someone could help me

Has anyone tried this and can confirm one or the other?

lightning staff is the only offensive weapon which its basic dmg is directly boosted through 3 CP stars: elemental expert, thaum and staff expert

That I knew, I have my cps distributed to use exactly that, but thanks for replying anyway

Masel · November 2016

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Yeah the AOE dmg makes it shine. You got a video of the bloodspawn?

Nope, but I can do it again, upload it and post it. Have exams right now, which is why I have limited playtime

Masel92 wrote: »

RedVyperOfDorne wrote: »

Yeah the AOE dmg makes it shine. You got a video of the bloodspawn?

Nope, but I can do it again, upload it and post it. Have exams right now, which is why I have limited playtime

Sounds good man just msg it to me and I'll msg you the one I did. I'd just like to see mine was around 36k single target.

I really need to see your build, can you send it to me? Yours seems even better than mine and I'd like to improve it

Toast_STS · November 2016

Xvorg wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

I was thinking about using my aether/elegance/vMA Lightning staff build on my magicka dk with a vMA Resto on back bar for the arena and was wondering if the 40% buff from molten Armaments buffs every tick of the channeled attacks, or only the last one. Can't test it myself atm, so I'd be happy if someone could help me

Has anyone tried this and can confirm one or the other?

lightning staff is the only offensive weapon which its basic dmg is directly boosted through 3 CP stars: elemental expert, thaum and staff expert

4 CP stars if you count elfborn.

For a mDK I would recommend Infallible Aether + Sergeant's Mail. Your heavy attacks will hit much harder than with elegance. That's what I use for vMA on my mDK and it's pretty easy to get on the leaderboards with that setup.

Masel · November 2016

Sergeants mail is heavy armor isn't it? And it's bonuses are pretty weak for a magicka char, but I heard it's pretty good, I might give it a try! Getting on the leaderboards was my intention as well.

I've been doing some math:

An example that fits would be 8k per tick of the heavy attack, which is similar to what i get right now, depending on enemies resistance. Elegance would boost that by 1.6k (8k*1.2), which is basically the same as sergeant's mail. But the first four passives from elegance increase the damage of everything else by a lot more (more max magicka, more spell damage. Plus, you need to use three healthy jewelry from sergeant's mail if i'm not mistaken, which takes out a lot of max magicka. If there is arcane jewelry, it might be worth considering, but i cant see the set out-dpsing elegance right now....

Toast_STS · November 2016

Toast_STS wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

I was thinking about using my aether/elegance/vMA Lightning staff build on my magicka dk with a vMA Resto on back bar for the arena and was wondering if the 40% buff from molten Armaments buffs every tick of the channeled attacks, or only the last one. Can't test it myself atm, so I'd be happy if someone could help me

Has anyone tried this and can confirm one or the other?

lightning staff is the only offensive weapon which its basic dmg is directly boosted through 3 CP stars: elemental expert, thaum and staff expert

4 CP stars. You forgot elfborn.

For a mDK I would recommend Infallible Aether + Sergeant's Mail. Your heavy attacks will hit much harder than with elegance. That's what I use for vMA on my mDK and it's pretty easy to get on the leaderboards with that setup.

Masel92 wrote: »

Sergeants mail is heavy armor isn't it? And it's bonuses are pretty weak for a magicka char, but I heard it's pretty good, I might give it a try! Getting on the leaderboards was my intention as well.

I've been doing some math:

An example that fits would be 8k per tick of the heavy attack, which is similar to what i get right now, depending on enemies resistance. Elegance would boost that by 1.6k (8k*1.2), which is basically the same as sergeant's mail. But the first four passives from elegance increase the damage of everything else by a lot more (more max magicka, more spell damage. Plus, you need to use three healthy jewelry from sergeant's mail if i'm not mistaken, which takes out a lot of max magicka. If there is arcane jewelry, it might be worth considering, but i cant see the set out-dpsing elegance right now....

I have tried elegance. Seargent's mail is just better for heavy attack DPS but elegence will help your other skills.

Here's the secret to my 100k heavy attacks though. Use sergeant's, aether, VMA lightning staff and thief. Then I use a charged resto staff with a shock enchant on the back bar to help proc off balance in the lightning wall of elements. With my precise staff I am at 70% crit chance. So when the enemy is off balance in my wall of elements and I am fully self buffed up with molten armaments, combat prayer, rearming trap, and Standard of Might each critical tick hits for about 22-25k and the final hits pulses for 27-30k although I have seen over 33k+ on the crematorium guards but I think they have like negative shock resistance because they are what I hit the hardest.

Masel · November 2016

I'll try both and get back to you on that! Should be possible to get on leaderboards with both

Masel · November 2016

My heavy attacks are for somewhat ever reason a lot weaker than on my sorc. I still have to unlock the undaunted and mages guild passives so I lack 3k max magicka right now, but still, molten armaments should make up for that. No idea why it doesn't do that. Sometimes they crit for 18k, sometimes 9k, no idea what is going on there... All buffs active, of course.

illuminousflux · November 2016

infallible and sergeants does more dps than infallible and elegance? really seems like the 20% would be more powerful han the flat dmg from sargeants, plus all the other passives.

does anyone know if soulshine effects heavy attacks? might not be a bad alternative either if it does

Masel · November 2016

I don't have five pieces of soulshine, but I asked myself the very same question! And sergeants does seem better actually, I'll farm it from tmrw on

illuminousflux · November 2016

lol i've been deconning every piece i've found when i run wayrest

Masel · November 2016

illuminousflux wrote: »

lol i've been deconning every piece i've found when i run wayrest

Yup, me2. Seems dumb now doesn't it?

illuminousflux · November 2016

@Toast_STS do you mind sharing your CP allocation in The Mage tree?

WalksonGraves · November 2016

Toast_STS wrote: »

Toast_STS wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

I was thinking about using my aether/elegance/vMA Lightning staff build on my magicka dk with a vMA Resto on back bar for the arena and was wondering if the 40% buff from molten Armaments buffs every tick of the channeled attacks, or only the last one. Can't test it myself atm, so I'd be happy if someone could help me

Has anyone tried this and can confirm one or the other?

lightning staff is the only offensive weapon which its basic dmg is directly boosted through 3 CP stars: elemental expert, thaum and staff expert

4 CP stars. You forgot elfborn.

For a mDK I would recommend Infallible Aether + Sergeant's Mail. Your heavy attacks will hit much harder than with elegance. That's what I use for vMA on my mDK and it's pretty easy to get on the leaderboards with that setup.

Masel92 wrote: »

Sergeants mail is heavy armor isn't it? And it's bonuses are pretty weak for a magicka char, but I heard it's pretty good, I might give it a try! Getting on the leaderboards was my intention as well.

I've been doing some math:

An example that fits would be 8k per tick of the heavy attack, which is similar to what i get right now, depending on enemies resistance. Elegance would boost that by 1.6k (8k*1.2), which is basically the same as sergeant's mail. But the first four passives from elegance increase the damage of everything else by a lot more (more max magicka, more spell damage. Plus, you need to use three healthy jewelry from sergeant's mail if i'm not mistaken, which takes out a lot of max magicka. If there is arcane jewelry, it might be worth considering, but i cant see the set out-dpsing elegance right now....

I have tried elegance. Seargent's mail is just better for heavy attack DPS but elegence will help your other skills.

Here's the secret to my 100k heavy attacks though. Use sergeant's, aether, VMA lightning staff and thief. Then I use a charged resto staff with a shock enchant on the back bar to help proc off balance in the lightning wall of elements. With my precise staff I am at 70% crit chance. So when the enemy is off balance in my wall of elements and I am fully self buffed up with molten armaments, combat prayer, rearming trap, and Standard of Might each critical tick hits for about 22-25k and the final hits pulses for 27-30k although I have seen over 33k+ on the crematorium guards but I think they have like negative shock resistance because they are what I hit the hardest.

You sure you used the right set? Queens Elegance increases light/hvy damage by 20%, how would that "increase other skills"? There's no way a stam set that has fixed damage comes close to competing.