Varen's Legacy crafted set, is it working?

Kattemynte · June 2016

I made myself the Varen's Legacy armor set that the 5 piece set gives a 10% chance on block that the next AoE attack deals 3000 more damage. So I ran out and tested this. I sat there and blocked about 20 attacks before using an AoE skill (I play a Templar so I used Shards, Sweeps and even Ritual of Retribution to see what it works with) and did not see any difference in damage from each of these attacks. I did this multiple times to make sure I proc'd the set (no visible sign that it has proc'd) with multiple skills and no change/addition to damage.

Can anyone verify that this actually works? The set sounds like a cool AoE tank build if it works. (Especially with a Sweeps Templar)

Baconfat79 · June 2016

Even if it does work, it surely pales in comparison to many other 5-piece set bonuses, right? I mean...it seems like a moot point. The set is garbage.

Kattemynte · June 2016

The set is garbage depending on your playstyle as tank. I previously used Kragnec's Hope 5 piece set for the extra magicka, spell power and rez speed. It worked great with my Magicka Templar tank. My playstyle is to block for a bit and then Sweeps (AoE) to help heal/do damage and if I can add 3k damage here and there it helps my team by killing things faster, and I am not changing how I tank too.

Chriagon · June 2016

I made myself a "Varen's Legacy" armor set too yesterday and can confirm that it works with "Sap Essence" and "Bahraha's Curse", BUT the proc rate was so low that I think this set is pretty useless.

Birdovic · June 2016

I played around with that set and can say there is a bug with it:

When you have Varens Legacy proc, your next AoE, whatever ability it may be, will only AFFECT ONE TARGET with the extra damage.
So lets say you stand in a group of 5 enemies and you use impulse from the Destro Staff Tree, only ONE Target receives 3300 extra damage, and the 4 other enemies receive the usual damage.
I doubt this is intended.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Can you please check if this is intended?

Silver_Strider · June 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

I played around with that set and can say there is a bug with it:

When you have Varens Legacy proc, your next AoE, whatever ability it may be, will only AFFECT ONE TARGET with the extra damage.
So lets say you stand in a group of 5 enemies and you use impulse from the Destro Staff Tree, only ONE Target receives 3300 extra damage, and the 4 other enemies receive the usual damage.
I doubt this is intended.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Can you please check if this is intended?

IDK, after seeing the Tormentor set only proc on 1 target, even with an AoE charge like Explosive Charge, I can't help but feel like it's intended, which I'd say isn't surprising considering the logic, or lack there of, in a lot of ZOS's decisions.

Birdovic · June 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

I played around with that set and can say there is a bug with it:

When you have Varens Legacy proc, your next AoE, whatever ability it may be, will only AFFECT ONE TARGET with the extra damage.
So lets say you stand in a group of 5 enemies and you use impulse from the Destro Staff Tree, only ONE Target receives 3300 extra damage, and the 4 other enemies receive the usual damage.
I doubt this is intended.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Can you please check if this is intended?

IDK, after seeing the Tormentor set only proc on 1 target, even with an AoE charge like Explosive Charge, I can't help but feel like it's intended, which I'd say isn't surprising considering the logic, or lack there of, in a lot of ZOS's decisions.

Well, for Tormentor I'd understand if they overlooked it, since there are almost no AoE Charge Abilities availaible, this needs a fix, too.

But for Varens Legacy?
This Set obviously looks like its made for characters to jump into a group of enemies, being hit alot and at the same time be able to damage them all, not just one of them(who is immediately healed anyway, lol).

So I assume this must be a bug, it has to be.

Birdovic · June 2016

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Has this been looked at meanwhile?
This is a great Set but thanks to the small bug described above, it is absolutely not useful.

Cinbri · June 2016

I believe it also debuffed by Battle Spirit. Than 3300 damage transform into 1650 damage to one target. Can't remember for sure as i deconstructed it upon realizing that it proc on 1 target only with super low proc rate.

Birdovic · June 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

I believe it also debuffed by Battle Spirit. Than 3300 damage transform into 1650 damage to one target. Can't remember for sure as i deconstructed it upon realizing that it proc on 1 target only with super low proc rate.

Exactly, its not even "super strong" if it worked as it should. I guess asking for a buff to 5000 dmg or so is okay.
But anyway, I dont see a reason why its still not fixed, its not like its becoming OP or anything at all, especially with those numbers.

Please just make it work

kampori · June 2016

The 2-4 set bonus is good on this anyway. The 5 set does proc, and for me it procs a hell of a lot. I play a NB mag tank, so anything that increases my aoe damage is sweet. Unfortunately as others have said once I realised it only affects one NPC I got a bit razzed off.
Hopefully they'll fix this. I can't be bothered to find another set to wear.
The effect of the set proccing looks cool too- a swirling blue pattern appears around you.
Just make it affect all

Use 5 Varen 4 Lamae. Works good so far. I don't know other good sets for tank. Not Hist Bark, as I found out myself- the dodge chance on blocking stops us using mirage.

Birdovic · June 2016

@kampori

That is the thing.
There are many build possibilities with this set, but thanks to being bugged, you cant properly put it to use.

Thats the aspect of this game, why I LOVE it but at the same time HATE it.

I LOVE how there are incredibly many build possibilities because of the countless item sets you could combine - at first.

But I HATE the devs decisions, leaving said sets(I'd say about 50% of all existing sets) that offer so many possibilities to rot by either ignoring bugs, imbalance, being underwhelming or simply leave outdated sets outdated, be it due to low level or from a time at which specific sets worked and now simply dont (magicka based sets with weapon dmg as example).

Little changes on sets here and there would help so much, its not even much to do.

susmitds · June 2016

Silver_Strider wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

I played around with that set and can say there is a bug with it:

When you have Varens Legacy proc, your next AoE, whatever ability it may be, will only AFFECT ONE TARGET with the extra damage.
So lets say you stand in a group of 5 enemies and you use impulse from the Destro Staff Tree, only ONE Target receives 3300 extra damage, and the 4 other enemies receive the usual damage.
I doubt this is intended.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Can you please check if this is intended?

IDK, after seeing the Tormentor set only proc on 1 target, even with an AoE charge like Explosive Charge, I can't help but feel like it's intended, which I'd say isn't surprising considering the logic, or lack there of, in a lot of ZOS's decisions.

It is intended. Look at the Sheer Venom set. It only works on one enemy, even with AoE executes.

hrothbern · June 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

I played around with that set and can say there is a bug with it:

When you have Varens Legacy proc, your next AoE, whatever ability it may be, will only AFFECT ONE TARGET with the extra damage.
So lets say you stand in a group of 5 enemies and you use impulse from the Destro Staff Tree, only ONE Target receives 3300 extra damage, and the 4 other enemies receive the usual damage.
I doubt this is intended.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Can you please check if this is intended?

I cannot imagine that this "only" hitting one enemy is intended.

A quick Math

Assume the practical most favorable situation, that 5 mobs attack you.
Assume that you are a NB Sap Essence Tank, semi-permablocking with Sap Essence (no way BTW, that you can sustain this because of Magicka Resource sustain !)
Assume the mobs hit you every two seconds

Now you have a proc chance of 10% of on average 5 times per 2 seconds
So every 4 seconds it procs

Assume that it would really hit all 5 enemies...
In that case you get a 3000 DPS / 4 seconds is a 750 DPS increase per enemy
Your Sap Essence will do 3k DPS per enemy
So a buff of 25% on your AOE DPS.....
..... for the most, most favorable situation.

I think that would be ok for such a set

Birdovic · June 2016

hrothbern wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

I played around with that set and can say there is a bug with it:

When you have Varens Legacy proc, your next AoE, whatever ability it may be, will only AFFECT ONE TARGET with the extra damage.
So lets say you stand in a group of 5 enemies and you use impulse from the Destro Staff Tree, only ONE Target receives 3300 extra damage, and the 4 other enemies receive the usual damage.
I doubt this is intended.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Can you please check if this is intended?

I cannot imagine that this "only" hitting one enemy is intended.

A quick Math

Assume the practical most favorable situation, that 5 mobs attack you.
Assume that you are a NB Sap Essence Tank, semi-permablocking with Sap Essence (no way BTW, that you can sustain this because of Magicka Resource sustain !)
Assume the mobs hit you every two seconds

Now you have a proc chance of 10% of on average 5 times per 2 seconds
So every 4 seconds it procs

Assume that it would really hit all 5 enemies...
In that case you get a 3000 DPS / 4 seconds is a 750 DPS increase per enemy
Your Sap Essence will do 3k DPS per enemy
So a buff of 25% on your AOE DPS.....
..... for the most, most favorable situation.

I think that would be ok for such a set

@hrothbern

Yup, thats why I mentioned it as a bug.
But thanks for providing some math, it should be more than obvious now that this is not working as it should be.

To add: in PvP the 25% buff to AoE DPS is halved, too.

Cinbri · June 2016

I really hope it not working as intended right now. Coz stamina builds have such awesome aoe dps sets like Syvarra(while magicka counterpart - Bahraha, is worse for magicka builds than this stamina set), or Harbinger that can seriously boost dps of tanks, and they can use them while magicka builds can get strongest advantage from Varen only but currently it is just pathetic set.

WillhelmBlack · June 2016

It'd be nice on Templar if it was 100% guarantee and the extra damage worked on each tick of Ritual of Retribution.

Birdovic · June 2016

Bump e.e

drogon1 · July 2016

Nothing has been updated on this post in a bit.

I would also like to know whether this set is working properly, and whether "properly" means the bonus applies to AOE dmg, and not a single target.

Some clarification from ZOS would be appreciated.

Birdovic · July 2016

It is updated and does hit every close enemy for the extra damage now, instead of just 1 target.

EnOeZ · September 2016

Hi all,

Can someone tell me how Varen's legacy + Inhale (DK) works ?
I am wondering if the bonus damage is applied 1 2 or 3 times since it says "you are healed for 100% of the damage done" and you deal twice damage (inhale + exhale) with the skill.

Many Thanks if you can reply to this.

BohnT · September 2016

As far as I know only the inhale deals more damage. I think in one Patch they wrote that only direct AoE abilities are boosted by Varen

Fettkeewl · November 2016

Wololooo!

Reviving thread in anticipation of an answer
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Should varens legacy procc work on every hit from an direct aoe attack och just on one hit?