Get the MULTI'S out of Cyrodil!

Crom_CCCXVI · November 2016

Hey look Bob is on his red today, oh wait now he is on yellow, or was that blue.

Maybe he is spying...
Maybe he is just being a jerk and trolling the chat...
Maybe his friends are taking turns killing him, or maybe he just defended that keep against 20 of his guildmates all by himself and now he is Emperor!

Maybe, no definitely this was a terrible idea. What was ZOS thinking? I have heard other topics (like justice system) where ZOS says it would be "too vulnerable to exploit"... THIS IS ONE GIANT EXPLOIT.

Whatever reason it was decided to allow players to play multiple alliances in the same campaign (what was it anyway?), can't be more important than the utter garbage it has added to the validity of Alliance War.
Once a campaign starts you should only be able to play one alliance per campaign. Being able to play more than one alliance in the same campaign at the same time has taken the already fragile integrity of Alliance War and Emperorship and tossed it totally out the window. I know this is a relatively recent change, let's just call it a bad idea and go back to the way it was please.

Lieblingsjunge · November 2016

I like it. Sometimes PvP is completely dead on one alliance, swapping to another for the sake of good PvP is nice.

susmitds · November 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I like it. Sometimes PvP is completely dead on one alliance, swapping to another for the sake of good PvP is nice.

You can go to another campaign for it.

White wabbit · November 2016

Zos won't do anything it's been discussed many a time before

Lieblingsjunge · November 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I like it. Sometimes PvP is completely dead on one alliance, swapping to another for the sake of good PvP is nice.

You can go to another campaign for it.

On EU there's no other campaign that's alive until 1900 CET, except TF. So naturally it's only one campaign you end up playing upon. Sorry, I don't like to PvDoor keeps and stuff. I value good fights & good teammates.
It's 13.48. TF is atm High - medium - medium. This usually means that AD pvdoored the entire map at 7 this morning. Means it's not gonna be anynice PvP.
Relogging to EP or DC solves the issue.

Alucardo · November 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

This usually means that AD pvdoored the entire map at 7 this morning

Sounds like big boss and his chronies had a late one. Guess they'll be sleeping this afternoon so we can reclaim. Pretty much the state of Cyrodiil these days.

Enodoc · November 2016

Or maybe, Bob is legitimately playing characters in three alliances, and advancing each of the alliance's objectives without any ulterior motives whatsoever.

AzuraKin · November 2016

in the words of C.S. Lewis: the dwarves are for the dwarves. lets take that heart, and ep be for ep, ad be for ad, and dc be for dc.

kevlarto_ESO · November 2016

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

Hey look Bob is on his red today, oh wait now he is on yellow, or was that blue.

Maybe he is spying...
Maybe he is just being a jerk and trolling the chat...
Maybe his friends are taking turns killing him, or maybe he just defended that keep against 20 of his guildmates all by himself and now he is Emperor!

Maybe, no definitely this was a terrible idea. What was ZOS thinking? I have heard other topics (like justice system) where ZOS says it would be "too vulnerable to exploit"... THIS IS ONE GIANT EXPLOIT.

Whatever reason it was decided to allow players to play multiple alliances in the same campaign (what was it anyway?), can't be more important than the utter garbage it has added to the validity of Alliance War.
Once a campaign starts you should only be able to play one alliance per campaign. Being able to play more than one alliance in the same campaign at the same time has taken the already fragile integrity of Alliance War and Emperorship and tossed it totally out the window. I know this is a relatively recent change, let's just call it a bad idea and go back to the way it was please.

I agree 110% it has been one of my rants with ZOS since they did it (I know nothing will ever change)and the reason they did it was bogus, to play with your friends well I play with my friends everyday in the same faction if we wanted to fight each other we would use the guest campaign.

This has pretty much made the whole three faction warfare a joke, no faction pride no campaign pride, I have no characters in any other faction, and faction traitors are just bad for the overall health of pvp, we have cheaters exploiters broken proc sets, broken game mechanics, one shot builds in an mmo, this is not call of duty, the overall state of pvp in eso is pretty bad. I am amazed I still can have some fun with it.

I guess when you adapt the don't give a rats butt attitude it is what it is you just play and laugh a little inside at zos'es feeble attempt to make mmo combat, it is a little easier to stomach this mess.

It will not be hard to leave this pile of bantha poodoo when something else comes along I want to play. Only thing keeping me here now is my friends and guild and they are pretty much in same boat as I am looking for something else to play.

heystreethawk · November 2016

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

Hey look Bob is on his red today, oh wait now he is on yellow, or was that blue.

Maybe he is spying...

In what universe is that worth the effort? "Look out everyone, there's 12 secret siege on the front door of Castle Razzamatazz!" Well, it was flagged in the time that you typed that, so that's not much of an advance warning, and we're still going to have to kill the bad guys when we get there, which is actually the difficult part, as opposed to guessing which keep is going to be under attack next, which is an incredibly simple procedure. Thanks for spying instead of playing the game and making AP, though; your services are crucial to the success of the alliance, hail hail.

Maybe he is just being a jerk and trolling the chat...

Probably. Bob is eager for fun.

Maybe his friends are taking turns killing him, or maybe he just defended that keep against 20 of his guildmates all by himself and now he is Emperor!

People are not worth much AP for quite a while after they die. If you kill someone, and they have a camp, and they res at the camp, and you kill them at the camp, you literally get a notification that you have received 0 AP. Killing someone, waiting for their AP counter to reset, and killing them again is less efficient than running around and repairing keep walls.

Bob is the only person who showed up to defend a keep against 20 people? Are Bob and his friends literally the only players online? You're describing a server with 1 bar population across all 3 factions. On Trueflame, someone playing the game like a normal human being would pass Bob on the leaderboards in half the time it took him to execute his elaborate, tedious, asinine scheme wherein he tries to farm a keep defense by himself or gets killed at a resource for an hour or whatever it is you're hazily describing through. If nobody in the alliance except Bob is defending the keep or checking out the resource, you have greater concerns than illicit AP gains; you're playing on a dead campaign in the daytime, and Bob is passing you on the leaderboards because all you are doing is turning in scouting reports.

Maybe, no definitely this was a terrible idea. What was ZOS thinking? I have heard other topics (like justice system) where ZOS says it would be "too vulnerable to exploit"... THIS IS ONE GIANT EXPLOIT.

It would be an exploit if it wasn't completely impractical in every scenario except for campaigns that nobody except Bob actually plays on.

Whatever reason it was decided to allow players to play multiple alliances in the same campaign (what was it anyway?), can't be more important than the utter garbage it has added to the validity of Alliance War.

This is the least important piece of garbage in the garbage heap. It is an apple core at the bottom of a a gargantuan tire fire, surrounded by a moat of melting CD-ROMs from the 1990s, all of them containing 30 day free trials for America Online.

Delimber · November 2016

I like being able to have a toon in each alliance on the most active campaign.

I don't care what the other factions are up to as I just want AP and XP for that toon so I can get vigor or caltrops or something else.

And if you're toon is EP which seems to be the most active faction and pop locked then you are just as well to go to the faction that isn't pop locked.

Last time I checked playing the game was more fun that sitting in queue.

Elsonso · November 2016

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

Once a campaign starts you should only be able to play one alliance per campaign. Being able to play more than one alliance in the same campaign at the same time has taken the already fragile integrity of Alliance War and Emperorship and tossed it totally out the window. I know this is a relatively recent change, let's just call it a bad idea and go back to the way it was please.

You are taking this a lot more seriously than ZOS. In this game, PVP is a casual activity, and everyone should be able to experiemce all Alliances, just not simultaneously. ESO is about inclusion and being complete, not exclusion and having parts of the game that cannot be played.

White wabbit · November 2016

It's easy t bag them before rezzing them if you know they play on another faction

Sallington · November 2016

I think any game with AvAvA should have your account locked to a certain Alliance, but I know I'm in the minority there.

Calipc216 · November 2016

All I am trying to do is to get Vigor for my stam characters. I am not a spy, believe me!

DHale · November 2016

I like the spies when they still get obliterated it's really fun.

caeliusstarbreaker · November 2016

Realistically, people that play multiple factions are a non-factor. Even if they were forced into playing one faction, in no way does that mean they would play the map or be traditionally beneficial to said alliance, as 98/100 times they are small scale pvpers, or have friends on two, or more alliances. Those other 2 times are the quarterly troll in zone chat and the one guy who runs the scroll around like nimrod, which ultimately isn't far off from that same quarterly "just new to pvp guy" who picked it up because you were tagged by caltrops even though you weren't in the red circle.

It's really not anywhere close to an issue, faction loyalty doesn't make you any better or worse off than multi-factional play in the grand scheme of things. I would say that faction coordination of those who are actually in cyrodiil would matter, however every guild has a "you're not the boss of me" mentality, or sees the priority objectives differently. It winds up being an amalgamation of luck, who has the stronger guild at a given objective, and then numbers... In ascending order of success.

Derra · November 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I like it. Sometimes PvP is completely dead on one alliance, swapping to another for the sake of good PvP is nice.

You can go to another campaign for it.

there is only one active campaign at all. sooo - no?

AzuraKin · November 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

Once a campaign starts you should only be able to play one alliance per campaign. Being able to play more than one alliance in the same campaign at the same time has taken the already fragile integrity of Alliance War and Emperorship and tossed it totally out the window. I know this is a relatively recent change, let's just call it a bad idea and go back to the way it was please.

You are taking this a lot more seriously than ZOS. In this game, PVP is a casual activity, and everyone should be able to experiemce all Alliances, just not simultaneously. ESO is about inclusion and being complete, not exclusion and having parts of the game that cannot be played.

actually pvp is the true end game of eso. trials, group dungeons, that just to cater to the non-pvpers.

Kartalin · November 2016

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

that same quarterly "just new to pvp guy" who picked it up because you were tagged by caltrops even though you weren't in the red circle.

*new guy picks up scroll"
"What do I do with this?"
"Go back in time and tell the old you to keep your GD hands to yourself."

Rohamad_Ali · November 2016

Everyone gets a trophy these days .

NordSwordnBoard · November 2016

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SneaK · November 2016

They should just remove Daggerfall and Ebonheart from the game.

Elsonso · November 2016

AzuraKin wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

Once a campaign starts you should only be able to play one alliance per campaign. Being able to play more than one alliance in the same campaign at the same time has taken the already fragile integrity of Alliance War and Emperorship and tossed it totally out the window. I know this is a relatively recent change, let's just call it a bad idea and go back to the way it was please.

You are taking this a lot more seriously than ZOS. In this game, PVP is a casual activity, and everyone should be able to experiemce all Alliances, just not simultaneously. ESO is about inclusion and being complete, not exclusion and having parts of the game that cannot be played.

actually pvp is the true end game of eso. trials, group dungeons, that just to cater to the non-pvpers.

Chuga_Rei · November 2016

What exactly is anyone going to gain from spying? You want to win a campaign, find the time of day your faction needs the most help, recruit, organize and fight. Having a solid group running during off hours or when a enemy factions group has run of the map unopposed is going to make many times over the difference calling out zone chat. Plans.

All your doing with this is crippling people who play all or at least 2 of the 3 factions.

Recremen · November 2016

What you are describing is an extreme edge case scenario that rarely, if ever, happens. Most of the time it's just some person playing with different guilds on different raid nights. There's really nothing wrong with it.

Joy_Division · November 2016

Or

Maybe Bob is sick of Red gate camping Blue so he logs onto Blue to actually try to make the map competitive again.

Maybe Bob sees Yellow is popped locked and Red has only 2 bars, so he hops on the outnumbered faction.

Maybe Bob is older than 12 and does not waste time telling his Yellow friends "Hey, the EP Zerg is about to Front Door Alessia!"

Maybe Bob has to work tomorrow at 7:30 and sees the Blue que is 84.

*****

As for the reason why ZoS made the intelligent decision to remove the campaign restrictions, in case you hadn't noticed or forgotten was often times your Non-exploitable campaign were a zergy lagfest mess that was utterly unplayable. If I or anyone else did not wish to perpetuate and enable this utter garbage, many times the only recourse we had on the old system was to stop playing the game and log out entirely. Oh, and that faction pride and integrity pie in the sky notions did not exist under that system so the restrictions did nothing but annoy and inconvenience the many people who have multiple characters ... many of them made because PvP had always been a zergy lagfest mess dominated by one faction that many people wanted to get away from.

AbraXuSeXile · November 2016

Not heard someone called a multu since 2000 when many people played one account on old school games.

Ghostbane · November 2016

This is all very un-One Tamriel.

#hateCrime

arkansas_ESO · November 2016

AzuraKin wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

Once a campaign starts you should only be able to play one alliance per campaign. Being able to play more than one alliance in the same campaign at the same time has taken the already fragile integrity of Alliance War and Emperorship and tossed it totally out the window. I know this is a relatively recent change, let's just call it a bad idea and go back to the way it was please.

You are taking this a lot more seriously than ZOS. In this game, PVP is a casual activity, and everyone should be able to experiemce all Alliances, just not simultaneously. ESO is about inclusion and being complete, not exclusion and having parts of the game that cannot be played.

actually pvp is the true end game of eso. trials, group dungeons, that just to cater to the non-pvpers.

Yes, that's why we receive a constant stream of new PVP content, such as new item sets and battlegrounds, while the PVEers are lucky to receive a new dungeon every year

Delimber · November 2016

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

Once a campaign starts you should only be able to play one alliance per campaign. Being able to play more than one alliance in the same campaign at the same time has taken the already fragile integrity of Alliance War and Emperorship and tossed it totally out the window. I know this is a relatively recent change, let's just call it a bad idea and go back to the way it was please.

You are taking this a lot more seriously than ZOS. In this game, PVP is a casual activity, and everyone should be able to experiemce all Alliances, just not simultaneously. ESO is about inclusion and being complete, not exclusion and having parts of the game that cannot be played.

actually pvp is the true end game of eso. trials, group dungeons, that just to cater to the non-pvpers.

Yes, that's why we receive a constant stream of new PVP content, such as new item sets and battlegrounds, while the PVEers are lucky to receive a new dungeon every year

LMAO