Bots dont drive price up.... as much as I hate them, they seem to drive prices down just like oil on real world when theres too much temps on the market prices go down.
The problem with yellow mats is that they are veeery hard to farm you need at least 100 rubedite ore to get a temp... and they are the hardest to find on any map.
I farm them and sell them for 15k and im not putting them cheaper cause i have to spend a LOT of time farming them and its not fun AT ALL to farm them.

You want to drive prices down? Increase the drop rate of yellow mats or at the very least increase the amount of ore you get from harvesting them, on PC, 5 months ago these things were cheaper cause there were a LOT of bots around, they got banned recently and though some still remain, many, like me, have to farm them the old fashioned way.... manually

Putting a cap on these items wont help cause then, farmers like me and my friends will stop farming them for profit or start selling them through zone chats. For christ sakes, if i need at least 50 of them to make a yellow full set of heavy armor ( which right now that equals to 750k) increase their drop rate.

There has been times where I have refined 150 rubedo ores and not get a SINGLE temp,
and getting 150 rubedite ore can take up to an hour of my precious time
this....... is....... INSANE.

Vaoh wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.

After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.

7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy

I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.

These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.

It's good for small minded buyers who don't care but just want to exploit the issue and save money. Bad for sellers who might actually specifically be grinding to acquire those materials to sell.

I don't like the high prices, but i don't like things being cheapened because bots are doing it.

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.

After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.

7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy

I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.

These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.

It's good for small minded buyers who don't care but just want to exploit the issue and save money. Bad for sellers who might actually specifically be grinding to acquire those materials to sell.

I don't like the high prices, but i don't like things being cheapened because bots are doing it.

Well it's actually pretty great for the scummy sellers you are referring to now on PS4 NA. After checking today:
• Dreugh Wax has stabilized at or above 11K a piece
• Tempering Alloys have stabilized at or above 22K a piece
• Idk about Rosin anymore, but it's definitely between 11K-22K

The bots once selling Dreugh Wax for the "bargain" of 7K are now selling for 10K a piece.

What a mess..... Your innocent sellers have screwed 99% of the PS4 NA playerbase thanks to pure greed.

Small-minded buyers (as you put it) are trying their best not to feed into the prices that the big buyer guild stores have set.

For reference, there was a time when Dreugh Wax was 4-6K, Rosin was 3K, snd Alloys were 8-10K. It would still be this way if the sellers weren't greedy as **** and ZOS implemented add-on like databases for players to see what good prices were on these gold mats. No one can upgrade to Legendary anymore thanks to this nonsense.

@Vaoh

Is there a reason why you quoted me twice?

And by small minded players, let me clarify, i was strictly referring to the sort of players who talk as though bots keeping prices down for those players to take advantage of as small minded. A surplus that exists only because of bots and thus can impact the price to go down? anyone who can't see why that's a bad thing is small minded. "But the prices are down! that means i can buy more!" it also means people who are *actually* playing and might be farming such items have to sell it for less.

You have to also take into account before blaming legit players of being greedy that simple notion of supply/demand. if literally everyone is selling this one item, it's not worth much, if everyone is trying to buy it? it's worth more.

Or any time ZOS tweak drop rates as a consequence of other players doing the wrong thing. When people mass duped items, or exploited the banker assistant withh resource surveys, they lower the chances of the better drops to try and get all that mass product diminished, but please, let's just blame 'greedy' players for selling their own items and act like bots are misunderstood heroes! because it's easier to be small minded.

game doesn't need addons, just needs an AH too. but sadly too many people cry out "No! i bought this game so i could walk from trader to trader and i will ragequit so hard if you add a system to make it more convenient for others to get things and return to the actual goal of the game!" etc.

I quoted you twice as an accident. That's obvious to anyone

Looks like I just have to repeat what I've already said but in a much more simplified format so you can conprehend it.

Your innocent, non-greedy, beautiful sellers are listing gold mats at the following prices:
• Dreugh Wax costs 11K+ a piece
• Tempering Alloys 22K+ a piece

They normally go for less than half of these prices. Perhaps these sellers they aren't as great as you think they are?

Currently, prices for gold mats are beyond extraordinarily high. The lack of a way to view and regulate prices (PC uses add-ons) across the entire game economy has overtime allowed sellers to buy and resell every gold mat on stores in PS4 NA for their inflated prices. It's a cycle that has happened multiple times now.

Big guild stores cannot buy the gold mats farmed by Bots. These Bots sell it for only slightly cheaper, but NOT cheap, as they also want to make money.

Though greedy sellers have set the benchmark for pricing, bots will undercut them to sell off their stock. If Dreugh Wax costs 11K-12K a piece by greedy sellers, it now costs 10K from the bots. Good? Well no, but it's slightly better.

If not for bots causing competition with these big guild traders, gold mat prices would be much higher than they are now. As it is, most players are unable to upgrade gear to gold for the first time due to the insane cost (176K on a "good deal" to upgrade one piece of heavy armor, so 1.23M+ for a full set of Heavy Armor ...)

Like I said, I hate bots! But if you can't see how our greedy sellers have inflated these mats to never before seen prices and bots provide a slightly better pricing which is literally helping out the playerbase significantly at this point, then I can't really help you out anymore.

Literally all you just said was "Waaah bots destroying the game is a good thing, back in my day gold mats were half the price, i don't know the basic concept of supply and demand so i'm going to claim it's proof sellers are evil and greedy"

They were half price, in the past. times change. if it goes up tthat isn't automatically 'greedy sellers' there are other factors involved, as i said before you decided to merely repeat your same rubbish because you think i didn't get your point when your point was just lacking "sellers are all greedy because they used to be cheaper!"

You can even spout that a third time, just saying one side is greedy and bots undercut because you claim the reason is 'simple' doesn't mean it actually is.

but please, let's just talk about how lazy buyers are instead, i mean, with how much you accuse sellers of being greedy, surely that must mean it's a really really common item right? so common that if 2 people were to have a race, one tries to get a gold material from farming and the other has to make what... 6k only? clearly by your attitude that people are greedy that must mean the material farmer will get one before the other guy makes the money to buy it!

If it's overpriced farm for it yourself, and then tell me for all that time spent that it's not worth 11k.

Except it's not a thing of the past.

Compare these prices to those you find on PC.

Guess what - they are much less expensive on PC.

Supply and Demand is a real concept, but in ESO, things work differently. Must not be easy for you to see that a real life economy and ESO's economy work different, but in fact you'll find many more factors and things going on in an economy whereas in ESO things actually are very simple.

Don't want to pay 1.2M+ to upgrade your 7/7 Heavy Armor? Go farm them. You don't have the time or incentive to do that, huh? Well that means you can come crawling back to me, since I choose their value and no add-ons exist here to regulate price in a proper way. <- Big Traders on PS4

We won't be coming to a conclusion. I recommend you actually LOOK and see what were talking about so you can have a fundamental understanding of what you're arguing against.

Good day to you @Skcarkden

@Vaoh

Except, it IS a thing of the past. They were half price in the past, now they are not. That pretty much means it's in the past.

While we're at it let's also compare it to xbox? Let's compare it to Skyrim, WoW, Nintendo Game Cube. Let's just compare an entirely separate thing to something else? PC and PS4 and Xbox, are all closed communities to each other. It would be stupid to compare and expect everything to remain static across all 3. They each have different populations and communities that grow in different ways. Same game but different outcomes, all clouds are clouds but they don't all like 100% identical.

I don't care what PC prices are like on a PS4 version of a game. It's not the same, expecially when PC released first and had instances of duplication bugs that flooded their market. (Inb4 you argue masses of duped stock doesn't affect the supply/demand factor)

Oh wow, you actually admitted supply and demand is a thing, but then fail and say i don't know the difference between real life and a game.. Shame, i thought you were making progress then you made a plot twist. But hey, while you're admitting ESO economy is simple, let me simplify it for you, Supply/demand. Here's how simple it is, if everyone is selling tonnes of one item, and no one is buying, it's cheap, if everyone is trying to buy and very very few are selling, it'll be worth more.

Also, thanks for ultimately making my point for me, if you don't want to pay 1.2m to upgrade armour, farm itself. but if you don't want to farm, then you pay whatever you can get, you as the buyer do NOT get to tell the person selling how much they may sell THEIR own items for.

I already know what i'm talking about , it's you -the guy who refuses to actually farm his own mats and also farm money to prove that money comes much easier than the mats- who doesn't know what he's talking about. by the time you farmed for 1.2m you would be able to buy the mats well before you ever got the mats by farming for them yourself.

You just want an easy and lazy route while blaming your problems on others.

Thessalia wrote: »

Can somebody explain to me what bots farmers do?

Well lets say this gold farmers bot is collecting ORE..

if you suspect them, try running in front of them, far enough ahead to farm a node, than sit back and watch.
Often a bot will go to X place to loot Y item and if Y item is not there , they don't know until they try to loot it.

That's because the farming bot does not know enough to see ahead and avoid a wasted trip.. unlike real people who see that Y is not there, a bot will attempt to go X to collect Y first.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

How do you know 100% for sure they are gold bots? They could just be farming groups. Sometimes I will hit an area over and over again 5 times or so for materials, especially the swamp area in The Rift for alc shtuff. I go around the whole area in a loop over and over. I guess you might see me as a gold farmer?

other people have posted videos of 5-6 sorcs with twiglights all using destro staff impulse at the exact same time

dont know how its done either but it can unfortunatley be done

Plus the user names. Seeing one guy playing with random characters isnt too suspicious. But seeing a guy or mob with random characters for a user name or odd obvious user names, doing exactly the same and not moving at all. Come on people like, what are the odds?

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Not directed at you, but complain on mob or mat farmers, as a whole. So what is the issue here? I don't get it. I do that. When I'm not running trials, dungeons or dailies, I go around farming mats in a loop around an area, particularly in Craglorn and Wrothgar. Yes, I have a route I normally follow. Yes, I kill mobs/adds near the nodes, particularly beasties to get rubedo scraps or those near a treasure chest. So what is the problem? This is part of a game. Maybe, it is something I don't understand about what the hell a bot really is. So, mats farmer like me, are we being stigma as bots, then?

Ahh.

Bots are running automation software to do this. There does not have to be a person there, at all. That is the issue.

If you are doing this, there is no issue. Just you and your keyboard and mouse (or controller).

As much as people might think they mimic a bot, they don't. People don't follow the route like a bot. This may not be understood by everyone, and some might report someone as a bot, but it is plainly obvious when someone is actually driving the character.

Sallington wrote: »

Solution: Quit making your games F2P/B2P, developers!

That fixed the deluge of bots when the game launched with a paid subscription model.

Or at least it did until ZOS actually took care of the bots with anti-botting code and fixes which then screwed the FPS. But that's a tale for another time.




And in case it wasn't obvious, there were an unprecedented amount of bots at launch which became a real sticking point at the time when it was a paid subscription model. Being F2P/B2P makes feck all difference.

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.

After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.

7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy

I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.

These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.

Last year at this time on Xbox one price were bottom low.

Wax 1k
Rosin 4k
Alloy 6k
Kuta 8k

And there we no bots...

Well obviously lol. Us console plebs didn't know the value of anything. We were new to the game and things were fresh. PC transfers and big guild store leaders exploited this since there was no repercussion to screwing with our markets.

A small group of individuals made hundreds of millions of gold this way. They bought up every gold mat they could find at these miniscule prices. When it only costs like 200M to buy up every gold mat on a server (hundreds of stacks of each gold mat), you can begin reselling at a high, fixed price.

This has happened numerous times over and we are at a point where the current prices are outrageous. The lack of an add-on to show us true prices on these mats has contributed a lot to big guild traders being able to pull this off.

I STILL remember one day on PS4 NA where literally every Dreugh Wax had been purchased from every guild trader. They were simply gone. After a day these things piled up on guild stores again but for 2K+ a piece their previous prices.

I can confirm that a small group DID inflate the market. I have been in chat with a small group of women that were bragging about how they manipulate the market in this way. Not saying it is only women, but they were the ones that admitted doing it

considering 99% of the base is MEN, I think that last sentence was obvious.

There's a ton of bots at Shattered Grove in Auridon right now. They're farming the bears and wolves there. They all have spam @ names (just like the gold sellers from way back when), all Sorcs, follow the same path together and spam light attacks with their staves until something aggros with Lightning Form on to aggro more, then drag them together and spam Pulsar and the destro ultimate, then they all run together to this one little ledge and crouch together until they all respawn and repeat.