Why do all mmo let bots and famers ruin the game

Elsonso · November 2016

Thessalia wrote: »

Can somebody explain to me what bots farmers do?

We stick bot seeds in the ground and water them until they are ready for harvest.

Mob farmers (XP) just run in circles through an area where mobs respawn quickly. They follow a preset course designed to draw aggro, and when that happens, they stop and fight. This means they can run to a location where there are no monsters and then turn to go to some other place.

Mat farmers (Gold) are similar to the mob farmers, but they run through an area so that they cross over places where there are harvest nodes. If they get a "hit" as they pass over, they stop to harvest it, then move on. Similar to mob farmers, the harvest node farmers do not know if there is something there until they get to where they are going, so they tend to run up to places where the harvest nodes are, even if there is nothing there.

There looks to be a few running the Alik'r Desert today farming Harpies.

Bouldercleave · November 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I saw a whole convention was dedicated to these companies and some make millions . It's called DefCon , look it up .

lol don't try it . One guy got sued for millions by Blizzard and lost everything , even his girlfriend . It's a big risk and game companies will pursue you . The ones over seas get away with it the most because their country doesn't allow recourse .

So you are saying Blizzard could take my wife in a lawsuit?!?

SOLD! It would be worth it.

Lumenn · November 2016

Looooong ago back when this issue started cropping up on EQ they'd use the website, purchase gold/items, then trace the transactions from the character they bought it from. Massive bannings. It actually deterred a lot of this at the start. But that was when Sony had several GMs on every server. Without the staffing I'm not sure how Zos could do anything about it.

KramUzibra · November 2016

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Hi
It seems since one tamreial xbone is overrun with bots and gold farmers.
They are everywhere agro in all the mobs and aoe them.
Forget about trying to ban the farmers it's useless what they have to do is BAN the buyers.
Anybody caught dealing with gold farmers account gets instant ban no IFS ANDS OR BUTS they can appeal but BAN FIRST.
This will kill the market and with no market no farmers & bots

This suggestion will not really work. Here is a question suggestion. How do you tell if a player bought the gold? Meaning what system or mechanic is able to say "This player bought gold, ban them.". It is impossible to tell if a player has actually bought the gold. Even if say a player bought 20 million gold, there is no evidence or proof that they bought it. So trying to ban the buyers is impossible.

The only "effective" way to deal with something like this is to go after the farmers, since you can't prove the buyers. To go off your title "Why do all MMO let bots and farmers ruin the game". Well, MMOs don't let them. However without proper manpower and resorces to combat bots and farmers it is a losing battle for that MMO. Another way is to try and target the websites that the sellers use. However, this requires a court judge, lots amount of time, and money. Of which if the site does get taken down, they can simply change the sites name.

I can go into this alot more, about 4 paragraphs or more of information. I use to create bots on other games, and I use to combat against bots. For a developer it is not easy to fight against bots.

Just check the transaction log if you get large amount of gold from either a known gold farmer or from a unrelated account then it probably a gold buy!
BAN!!
THEN THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO APPEAL ANT THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THE GOLD WAS TRANSFERRED FOR A LEGIT REASON
TO FIGHT GOLD SELLING YOU HAVE TO GO BY IF IT QUACKS LIKE DUCK IT PROBABLY IS A DUCK

So players should get banned on "propably"! Are you crazy! No! banning should require irrefutable proof.

Talon_Draconis · November 2016

KramUzibra wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Emothic wrote: »

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Hi
It seems since one tamreial xbone is overrun with bots and gold farmers.
They are everywhere agro in all the mobs and aoe them.
Forget about trying to ban the farmers it's useless what they have to do is BAN the buyers.
Anybody caught dealing with gold farmers account gets instant ban no IFS ANDS OR BUTS they can appeal but BAN FIRST.
This will kill the market and with no market no farmers & bots

This suggestion will not really work. Here is a question suggestion. How do you tell if a player bought the gold? Meaning what system or mechanic is able to say "This player bought gold, ban them.". It is impossible to tell if a player has actually bought the gold. Even if say a player bought 20 million gold, there is no evidence or proof that they bought it. So trying to ban the buyers is impossible.

The only "effective" way to deal with something like this is to go after the farmers, since you can't prove the buyers. To go off your title "Why do all MMO let bots and farmers ruin the game". Well, MMOs don't let them. However without proper manpower and resorces to combat bots and farmers it is a losing battle for that MMO. Another way is to try and target the websites that the sellers use. However, this requires a court judge, lots amount of time, and money. Of which if the site does get taken down, they can simply change the sites name.

I can go into this alot more, about 4 paragraphs or more of information. I use to create bots on other games, and I use to combat against bots. For a developer it is not easy to fight against bots.

Just check the transaction log if you get large amount of gold from either a known gold farmer or from a unrelated account then it probably a gold buy!
BAN!!
THEN THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO APPEAL ANT THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THE GOLD WAS TRANSFERRED FOR A LEGIT REASON
TO FIGHT GOLD SELLING YOU HAVE TO GO BY IF IT QUACKS LIKE DUCK IT PROBABLY IS A DUCK

So players should get banned on "propably"! Are you crazy! No banning should require irrefutable proof.

That is ts how they get away with it.....demanding proof...I had my way I would not just ban them I would send a command to format their hard drivers

Vaoh · November 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.

After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.

7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy

I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.

These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.

It's good for small minded buyers who don't care but just want to exploit the issue and save money. Bad for sellers who might actually specifically be grinding to acquire those materials to sell.

I don't like the high prices, but i don't like things being cheapened because bots are doing it.

Well it's actually pretty great for the scummy sellers you are referring to now on PS4 NA. After checking today:
• Dreugh Wax has stabilized at or above 11K a piece
• Tempering Alloys have stabilized at or above 22K a piece
• Idk about Rosin anymore, but it's definitely between 11K-22K

The bots once selling Dreugh Wax for the "bargain" of 7K are now selling for 10K a piece.

What a mess..... Your innocent sellers have screwed 99% of the PS4 NA playerbase thanks to pure greed.

Small-minded buyers (as you put it) are trying their best not to feed into the prices that the big buyer guild stores have set.

For reference, there was a time when Dreugh Wax was 4-6K, Rosin was 3K, snd Alloys were 8-10K. It would still be this way if the sellers weren't greedy as **** and ZOS implemented add-on like databases for players to see what good prices were on these gold mats. No one can upgrade to Legendary anymore thanks to this nonsense.

Cathexis · November 2016

The bigger question in my mind is MMO developers dont design games which circumvent the need to bot. If we just accepted botting as a naturally biproduct of making games needlessly grindy, maybe we could evolve to a point where gaming moves beyond wasting my time doing things I dont want to do.

Emothic · November 2016

Talon_Draconis wrote: »

Just check the logs even a ip who is search would be enough
Ok some stranger gives me a bunch of gold ....I just show it's like the first time I revived gold....then a few days latter a revive another "gift" from a stranger....hmm he has the same Chinese ip as the last gift....either that person really likes you or there is something strange going on...arkiems razor what is more Likely a strangers gathering large amounts of gold to give to you or you are buying gold from them.

It is not as simple as that. It seems to me that you think that the buyers and sellers are stupid when it comes to this, and their not. First of all, no buyer will buy gold and then buy some more gold a few days later on a regular basis. That's like you going to the store to buy food for 3 days, then go back to the store a few days later and buy some more. The buyer would buy what they can afford at that time, then wait for their form of income to come in so they can buy some more again. Like for example waiting 2 weeks for a pay check. Also why would they just constently buy gold all the time? That gets very expensive. Mostly a buyer will buy what they need, and then wait a period of time (weeks or months) before they will buy more, as prices can be expensive.

Also sellers don't just use one account to sell. They have a whole army of accounts that they use to give the gold to the buyer. So using the IP adddress as proof is not going to work. So not only are they using different accounts, they are also using different locations in the world. Gold selling websites are structerly a buisness of which could have dozens or hundreds of people working for them around the world.

Another thing is that gold is given through the in-game mail system, of which can be monitored. But the problem with that is how many in-game mail is sent in a day? Not only that but what "flags" do you put up for the system? As in do you make the system flag a player if they recived 500k coins? That's a good portion of the community. What about 5 million? Very few buyers will buy that much gold, that's the equivalent of $300 or more in real life. Where do you set it? And that's just gold, what about other items you can buy like crafting resorces, armors, weapons, ect... How do you set the system up for that? And that's just the start. The system can't auto-ban people, it's too inaccurate to do that. A human will have to review that acccount, of which it could take them days, weeks, or possible even months depending how their system is set up to review that account in a pile of other accounts.

KingYogi415 · November 2016

It's because in-game GM's are too expensive for such a little mom pop shop like ZOS to be able to afford.

mr1sho · November 2016

Honestly they are not hurting anyone I don't see why people spending their own money on something simple as gold really make you so mad OP like OMG there's a farmer he's spends all day picking up nodes etc to sell for money it's not the end of the world sheesh

DrkHunter86 · November 2016

Soundwave wrote: »

Bots on Xbox one, I don't believe it. Plus the market lately had been real stable, prices have been dropping slightly every week.

I find bots on xbone hard too believe as well but stranger things have happened in sure. Farmers I've seen. Technically I as well as many others farm (run around collecting every node I see). All part of the game as far as I see it. Mob farming I don't really do except too power level. And I've gotta ask how do people tell if its a bot farming?

DrkHunter86 · November 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.

After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.

7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy

I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.

These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.

It's good for small minded buyers who don't care but just want to exploit the issue and save money. Bad for sellers who might actually specifically be grinding to acquire those materials to sell.

I don't like the high prices, but i don't like things being cheapened because bots are doing it.

What I find annoying and think should be fixed is all the crap websites I see saying they're selling eso gold for real cash. I'd figure zos would be all over this. Yet I always see them when I look up class build guides. Even the places that try too sell you those oh so awsome build guides should be shut down imo.

AzuraKin · November 2016

there hasnt been bots in eso since the first month of the game. and there is no gold sellers either. anyone and everyone you see out killing mobs, harvesting nodes, ect are players not bot program hacks.

Gorilla · November 2016

MushmouthThomas wrote: »

A couple months ago I reported a group of 6 or so bots in a silver versions of a zone (Xbone). They were running a circle pulling every wolf, 20+ and blasting them all. It was pretty cool watching it. I would pull a couple and there macro would still attempt the wolf that should of been there. They were all stacked up on 1 rock and each toon would take turns making the run. They all had names like asdfasdfasdf sdfasfer trtrtteo

This is how you tell Lots of bots in Camlorn for the rubedo

Dasovaruilos · November 2016

I was also very surprised to see these "bots" both in Bangkorai and the unfinished phase of Camlorn on Xbox as well.

The situation is always the same:

1. Random generatedXbox GamerTag (LemonPlayer21321)
2. No other achievements from other games on their Xbox profile (hinting at a brand new account)
3. Sorcerer with both pets deployed and destro staff
4. Spamming Inferno Staff heavy attack in the direction of a mob spawn site
5. In the middle of a few mobs spawn site so that the pets can attack then

I don't think they are those complex bots from PCs, maybe just some rubber banding the heavy attack button on the controller. But they are definitely not in control of their characters at all times so it is a clear violation of ToS.

The good news is that the Bangkorai bots disappeared the following day after me and a bunch of players reported in game and someone created a forum post here with some videos.

I don't know about the Camlorn ones since I completed the quest and was in another instance, but I guess they were dealt with as well.

I think people are doing this more to sell the max level accounts later.

Lolssi · November 2016

Haven't noticed any bots. If there are any they don't bother me so I don't really mind.

Skcarkden · November 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.

After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.

7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy

I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.

These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.

It's good for small minded buyers who don't care but just want to exploit the issue and save money. Bad for sellers who might actually specifically be grinding to acquire those materials to sell.

I don't like the high prices, but i don't like things being cheapened because bots are doing it.

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.

After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.

7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy

I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.

These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.

It's good for small minded buyers who don't care but just want to exploit the issue and save money. Bad for sellers who might actually specifically be grinding to acquire those materials to sell.

I don't like the high prices, but i don't like things being cheapened because bots are doing it.

Well it's actually pretty great for the scummy sellers you are referring to now on PS4 NA. After checking today:
• Dreugh Wax has stabilized at or above 11K a piece
• Tempering Alloys have stabilized at or above 22K a piece
• Idk about Rosin anymore, but it's definitely between 11K-22K

The bots once selling Dreugh Wax for the "bargain" of 7K are now selling for 10K a piece.

What a mess..... Your innocent sellers have screwed 99% of the PS4 NA playerbase thanks to pure greed.

Small-minded buyers (as you put it) are trying their best not to feed into the prices that the big buyer guild stores have set.

For reference, there was a time when Dreugh Wax was 4-6K, Rosin was 3K, snd Alloys were 8-10K. It would still be this way if the sellers weren't greedy as **** and ZOS implemented add-on like databases for players to see what good prices were on these gold mats. No one can upgrade to Legendary anymore thanks to this nonsense.

@Vaoh

Is there a reason why you quoted me twice?

And by small minded players, let me clarify, i was strictly referring to the sort of players who talk as though bots keeping prices down for those players to take advantage of as small minded. A surplus that exists only because of bots and thus can impact the price to go down? anyone who can't see why that's a bad thing is small minded. "But the prices are down! that means i can buy more!" it also means people who are *actually* playing and might be farming such items have to sell it for less.

You have to also take into account before blaming legit players of being greedy that simple notion of supply/demand. if literally everyone is selling this one item, it's not worth much, if everyone is trying to buy it? it's worth more.

Or any time ZOS tweak drop rates as a consequence of other players doing the wrong thing. When people mass duped items, or exploited the banker assistant withh resource surveys, they lower the chances of the better drops to try and get all that mass product diminished, but please, let's just blame 'greedy' players for selling their own items and act like bots are misunderstood heroes! because it's easier to be small minded.

game doesn't need addons, just needs an AH too. but sadly too many people cry out "No! i bought this game so i could walk from trader to trader and i will ragequit so hard if you add a system to make it more convenient for others to get things and return to the actual goal of the game!" etc.

Chuckar0o · November 2016

Ive seen rubberband bots in Rivenspire on Xbox, i forget the exact location but next time i go there i will probably report the accounts.

HegemonIQ · November 2016

A month ago I reported a group of sorcs in Xbox NA camped on wolves and werewolves just above Kerbol's Hollow.

About 8 of them, all stationary with pets out, continuously heavy destro staff attacking different spawn points. I stood and watched them for a while. Every few minutes one of them (just one at a time) would run around and collect mats then return to their spot and resume heavy attacking. Each player had a an Xbox auto-generated gamertag and the character names all looked like random key strokes i.e. "aldjfoiaerh".

One of my guildies joked that it was probably one person running multiple consoles with rubber bands on the controllers.

billp_ESO · November 2016

ESO is a business, they are in it to make money.

So the question becomes: if we spend $X amount to stop bots, will it make us $X+ more money? They are not going to hire people and spend money if it isn't going to have a positive return.

If you were running the game, how would you determine if it is worth it to spend $X amount of money on policing bots? How would you measure the return on your investment?

jakeedmundson · November 2016

I just had a gold farmer send me in-game mail (on PS4) to try and sell me gold for money... first one i've ever seen on eso. I just deleted and moved on... but you know people are buying it. It's crazy to me that this is allowed to continue.

It's the beginning of the end for the economy of the game unless they get a handle on it.

jakeedmundson · November 2016

billp_ESO wrote: »

ESO is a business, they are in it to make money.

So the question becomes: if we spend $X amount to stop bots, will it make us $X+ more money? They are not going to hire people and spend money if it isn't going to have a positive return.

If you were running the game, how would you determine if it is worth it to spend $X amount of money on policing bots? How would you measure the return on your investment?

Every business has to spend money to improve safety and reliability. Its no different than a factory complying to OSHA standards.
If they want to retain current customers (because it is always cheaper than attracting new ones) they NEED to monitor things like this regardless of the ROI... no question about it.

Kodrac · November 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I assume you remember early days of ESO. 8 bots on every delve boss. Bots spawning in one after another at quest points, doing the interaction needed and disappearing. I expect XB is nothing like what we saw then. Zos got their act together and did much to correct it.

There may be another issue with XB, Zos does not control everything and that may play a role.

Yup, 4 - 8 Templars spamming jabs every other second. Only thing you could do was have a DK chain pull the boss away and the timing had to be perfect.

Vaoh · November 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.

After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.

7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy

I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.

These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.

It's good for small minded buyers who don't care but just want to exploit the issue and save money. Bad for sellers who might actually specifically be grinding to acquire those materials to sell.

I don't like the high prices, but i don't like things being cheapened because bots are doing it.

Skcarkden wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.

After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.

7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy

I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.

These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.

It's good for small minded buyers who don't care but just want to exploit the issue and save money. Bad for sellers who might actually specifically be grinding to acquire those materials to sell.

I don't like the high prices, but i don't like things being cheapened because bots are doing it.

Well it's actually pretty great for the scummy sellers you are referring to now on PS4 NA. After checking today:
• Dreugh Wax has stabilized at or above 11K a piece
• Tempering Alloys have stabilized at or above 22K a piece
• Idk about Rosin anymore, but it's definitely between 11K-22K

The bots once selling Dreugh Wax for the "bargain" of 7K are now selling for 10K a piece.

What a mess..... Your innocent sellers have screwed 99% of the PS4 NA playerbase thanks to pure greed.

Small-minded buyers (as you put it) are trying their best not to feed into the prices that the big buyer guild stores have set.

For reference, there was a time when Dreugh Wax was 4-6K, Rosin was 3K, snd Alloys were 8-10K. It would still be this way if the sellers weren't greedy as **** and ZOS implemented add-on like databases for players to see what good prices were on these gold mats. No one can upgrade to Legendary anymore thanks to this nonsense.

@Vaoh

Is there a reason why you quoted me twice?

And by small minded players, let me clarify, i was strictly referring to the sort of players who talk as though bots keeping prices down for those players to take advantage of as small minded. A surplus that exists only because of bots and thus can impact the price to go down? anyone who can't see why that's a bad thing is small minded. "But the prices are down! that means i can buy more!" it also means people who are *actually* playing and might be farming such items have to sell it for less.

You have to also take into account before blaming legit players of being greedy that simple notion of supply/demand. if literally everyone is selling this one item, it's not worth much, if everyone is trying to buy it? it's worth more.

Or any time ZOS tweak drop rates as a consequence of other players doing the wrong thing. When people mass duped items, or exploited the banker assistant withh resource surveys, they lower the chances of the better drops to try and get all that mass product diminished, but please, let's just blame 'greedy' players for selling their own items and act like bots are misunderstood heroes! because it's easier to be small minded.

game doesn't need addons, just needs an AH too. but sadly too many people cry out "No! i bought this game so i could walk from trader to trader and i will ragequit so hard if you add a system to make it more convenient for others to get things and return to the actual goal of the game!" etc.

I quoted you twice as an accident. That's obvious to anyone

Looks like I just have to repeat what I've already said but in a much more simplified format so you can conprehend it.

Your innocent, non-greedy, beautiful sellers are listing gold mats at the following prices:
• Dreugh Wax costs 11K+ a piece
• Tempering Alloys 22K+ a piece

They normally go for less than half of these prices. Perhaps these sellers they aren't as great as you think they are?

Currently, prices for gold mats are beyond extraordinarily high. The lack of a way to view and regulate prices (PC uses add-ons) across the entire game economy has overtime allowed sellers to buy and resell every gold mat on stores in PS4 NA for their inflated prices. It's a cycle that has happened multiple times now.

Big guild stores cannot buy the gold mats farmed by Bots. These Bots sell it for only slightly cheaper, but NOT cheap, as they also want to make money.

Though greedy sellers have set the benchmark for pricing, bots will undercut them to sell off their stock. If Dreugh Wax costs 11K-12K a piece by greedy sellers, it now costs 10K from the bots. Good? Well no, but it's slightly better.

If not for bots causing competition with these big guild traders, gold mat prices would be much higher than they are now. As it is, most players are unable to upgrade gear to gold for the first time due to the insane cost (176K on a "good deal" to upgrade one piece of heavy armor, so 1.23M+ for a full set of Heavy Armor ...)

Like I said, I hate bots! But if you can't see how our greedy sellers have inflated these mats to never before seen prices and bots provide a slightly better pricing which is literally helping out the playerbase significantly at this point, then I can't really help you out anymore.

Lexxypwns · November 2016

Isn't it obvious? Gold sellers are actually zenimax employees, since p2w can't go into the crown store they just sell it on the "black market"

Rohamad_Ali · November 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Isn't it obvious? Gold sellers are actually zenimax employees, since p2w can't go into the crown store they just sell it on the "black market"

You're on of those late night AM radio people too ? Wow

1mirg · November 2016

It's not because they are letting it ruin their game, it's because the bots and farmers are quite persistent in continuing what they were already doing prior to being banned. They change their i.p address and make a new account everytime they are finished with farming/ botting on a certain account. Thus making this abit more troublesome to deal with, if you are the developer whom has to deal with these people. It's not that mmo's let these types of people continue playing their game, it's actual due to how they work which makes it difficult for developers to perma ban these types of people.

Skinzz · November 2016

I have a 3 minute video of the bots in bangkorai on xbox na.

Soundwave · November 2016

DrkHunter86 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

Bots on Xbox one, I don't believe it. Plus the market lately had been real stable, prices have been dropping slightly every week.

I find bots on xbone hard too believe as well but stranger things have happened in sure. Farmers I've seen. Technically I as well as many others farm (run around collecting every node I see). All part of the game as far as I see it. Mob farming I don't really do except too power level. And I've gotta ask how do people tell if its a bot farming?

Bots run in patterned or path, and they don't strare off. But again I was suspended in WoW back in cata for farming herbs for straight 48 hours, because I was I acting like a bot and had 100 different player to file a complaint on me saying I was bot farming. Easy true, I just like to farm.

It's like Pokemon, I gotta farm them all. I love shiny!

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · November 2016

I agree with the OP. Bots are once again out of control and ZOS refuses to do anything about it. I report every one of them I see, and yet I can return a day later, even a week later and they are still there.