Viper's Sting - Another Broken Exploiting Set (Worse then Storm Knight)

HeroOfNone · September 2016

My fix for part of this, add a GCD on item sets, so multiple set procs don't burst at once. We can fix this item set, but you know the next broken set is right around the corner unless we get something that helps balance the burst of multiple sets.

Hexys · September 2016

It almost procs on every light attack that's been weaved between skills.

Lava_Croft · September 2016

That was found out a while ago already when Torug's was changed. 100% uptime on SD/WD enchants.

GreenSoup2HoT · September 2016

raviour wrote: »

some bows skills are melee - bombard and magnum are close range only, it should be set to proc from a certain distance but we dont need even more calculations around us...

no bow abilities class as melee or else they would have proc'd viper. did anyone watch my video thats in this very thread disproving that?

distance makes no difference either which i also showcase in my video.

ostrapz · September 2016

https://youtu.be/vOwg-gLjnTU

Two things ive posted here. The screenshot is from 2 moths ago before widowmaker for clarity. You can clearly see there is only 1 suprise attack followed by two seperate viper sting procs.

The video has two clips. In the second clip its pretty simple. I duel the guy and if you look closely right before i die at the 44 second mark he barswaps to inject( if you listen close you can hear the arrow) and then i die before his next attack. You can see the damage numbers from the vipers sting proc by me and he hadnt even turned to face me for crit charge yet.In the first video note you can see a posion inject hit me coming from the tower from the person who procced the viper. If you look around flag there are only magicka builds. Its hard to see his name but the guy hops off the tower right when the video ends with his bow still in hand. There isnt any1 in melee distance other than the magnb so hopefully its not underquestion whether that was the person who killed me, if so ill post unedited video. I think this set is completely broken in multiple ways and im eager to see people try to debunk how this is happening

ostrapz · September 2016

https://postimg.org/image/8p8ym8qqt/

Image link for the double proc here. Sorry for double post

GreenSoup2HoT · September 2016

ostrapz wrote: »

https://postimg.org/image/8p8ym8qqt/

Image link for the double proc here. Sorry for double post

Your death recap is the totaled damage you took befor you died. You just died in between 4 seconds of those viper procs. This does not mean you were double proc'd at the same time rather you were hit once, 4 seconds later hit again then died.

Same thing with the poison injection in your first video. The damage you see is the totaled damage. The viper was the killing blow that proc'd from the hurricane.

Viper is not procing more then once or from any bow abilitys light or heavy attacks. I have video proof of testing.

ostrapz · September 2016

@GreenSoup2HoT idk what you mean by total damage in screenshot when there is only 1 direct damage attack being suprise attack with 2 seperate procs. My first video is not total damage of a poison inject, if you watch it i wasnt under an injection dot and you can literally see the arrow hit me go back and watch it. And in the duel viper doesntt proc from hurricane and if it did wouldnt that be broken in itself. If it procced from hurricane even if hurricane wasnt in recape you would see the damage number from hurricane and then viper sting proc but if you look the only number that procs is the viper sting number

GreenSoup2HoT · September 2016

@ostrapz

Your screenshot displays 2 people hitting you with viper. Whats funny is its the ambush that proc'd it. You cant even see what proc'd the second hit.

In the video with the sap essence, that one does look like it proc'd from poison inj but in reality, viper procs before any melee damage. So you cannot see the hit since viper killed you.

In the duel, in the first place its weird to not see any hurricane damage as you were standing in it for quiet a long time. All though its the same situtation as the first clip. When viper proc'd, its damage hits before the melee so you just dont see the melee hit that proc'd it on your death recap.

ostrapz · September 2016

@GreenSoup2HoT no my screenshot its only 1 nb with viper if you loook again. And if viper shows up before the attack then why is the first viper proc after his melee attack. Theres 1 attack with 2 procs, while viper does usually proc beforehand you can see thats not the case wish i has that vid as well. Like i said with the stamsorc he was still turning to look at me so his attack still couldnt even be launched not to mention his attack even if launched had yet to connect.

In the sap vid i already thought about what if he ambushed and the answer here is simple if you think about it. If he had ambushed at me he would have been placed down near me, instead you can see he hops off the tower after im dead so no melee attack could have taken place from up there ( for what its worth that same guy has killed me from keep walls with inject viper without ever moving off the wall so i think hes doing something to proc it)

At the very least viper is proccing at the moment you press your gapclose button and before your character even begins the animation i believe

Randomgamers · September 2016

@ostrapz

You died because his Hurricane proc'd Viper, which is working as intended.

ostrapz · September 2016

@Randomgamers I literally tested if hurricane procs on viper the moment that video ends with that stamsorc and it does not. Not to mention hurricane proccing viper would be horrible game design, not even a melee attack

Randomgamers · October 2016

well it procs vipers, jsut saying i tested it

GreenSoup2HoT · October 2016

Randomgamers wrote: »

well it procs vipers, jsut saying i tested it

lol your funny. took you a couple weeks to reply back. xD i think its funny how the guy your talking to doesnt get it.

Mayrael · October 2016

Bow... Cough... Enchants... Cough... Viper...

Alucardo · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Please remove all these "Press button to randomly proc ridiculously high damage attack" sets. They have nothing to do with player skill.

I own Viper in legendary quality, but if one day I woke up to find it gone because ZOS removed every proc set in the game, I would cry with happiness.

CapuchinSeven · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

That was found out a while ago already when Torug's was changed. 100% uptime on SD/WD enchants.

I'd actually been considering this but couldn't decide if a SD glyph was better than a direct damage glyph in PVP.

kevlarto_ESO · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Please remove all these "Press button to randomly proc ridiculously high damage attack" sets. They have nothing to do with player skill.

Agree 110%, these silly sets at ruining the game pretty much, poorly tested and just garbage, maybe if they worked properly they would be ok, but the QA at ZOS is a joke, /sigh

martinhpb16_ESO · November 2016

I'm getting viper proc on this combo.

Focused aim > light cancel > poison injection then pew pew poison as a finisher. Combo I have been using for years.

I'm not sure if velidreth firing (but not hitting) is making it proc.

I don't check my logs all the time but only really noticed this when a banana sent me a tell that he was reporting me for exploiting! That was a bit of a shock and led me to this forum thread.

Exploiting accusations hardly seem fair for something that is happening either by design or by error.

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2016

@martinhpb16_ESO Poison and Disease enchants are considered melee. Since they have a 4 second cool-down like Viper, anything you do with Weapon skills will proc viper because of this.

martinhpb16_ESO · November 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@martinhpb16_ESO Poison and Disease enchants are considered melee. Since they have a 4 second cool-down like Viper, anything you do with Weapon skills will proc viper because of this.

Sweet ty for info

Poison on my bow

Kutsuu · November 2016

It is proccing off disease and poison enchants that are applied to bows, but does not proc off bow abilities or light/heavy attacks.

UrbanMonk · November 2016

we want more prco sets....when you look at the enemy...you proc a silent sneez on them causing them to fly in air for 50 meters and then land with environmental and fall damage which might result in insta kill....