Why do all mmo let bots and famers ruin the game
Talon_Draconis
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Hi
It seems since one tamreial xbone is overrun with bots and gold farmers.
They are everywhere agro in all the mobs and aoe them.
Forget about trying to ban the farmers it's useless what they have to do is BAN the buyers.
Anybody caught dealing with gold farmers account gets instant ban no IFS ANDS OR BUTS they can appeal but BAN FIRST.
This will kill the market and with no market no farmers & bots
It seems since one tamreial xbone is overrun with bots and gold farmers.
They are everywhere agro in all the mobs and aoe them.
Forget about trying to ban the farmers it's useless what they have to do is BAN the buyers.
Anybody caught dealing with gold farmers account gets instant ban no IFS ANDS OR BUTS they can appeal but BAN FIRST.
This will kill the market and with no market no farmers & bots
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runagate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Because they can afford to pay at least a handful of people to police the forum but not the game. ZOSlogic.14 -
Soundwave✭✭✭Bots on Xbox one, I don't believe it. Plus the market lately had been real stable, prices have been dropping slightly every week.Edited by Soundwave on November 20, 2016 4:13PM3 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭Bots on Xbox one, I don't believe it. Plus the market lately had been real stable, prices have been dropping slightly every week.
They somehow are doing it
Seen groups of bots training mobs everywhere 24/7
[Edited to remove disruptive formatting]Edited by ZOS_Ragnar on November 21, 2016 1:59PM0 -
CapnPhoton✭✭✭✭✭How do you know 100% for sure they are gold bots? They could just be farming groups. Sometimes I will hit an area over and over again 5 times or so for materials, especially the swamp area in The Rift for alc shtuff. I go around the whole area in a loop over and over. I guess you might see me as a gold farmer?Xbox One NA Aldmeri Dominion6 -
bebynnag✭✭✭✭✭
✭CapnPhoton wrote: »How do you know 100% for sure they are gold bots? They could just be farming groups. Sometimes I will hit an area over and over again 5 times or so for materials, especially the swamp area in The Rift for alc shtuff. I go around the whole area in a loop over and over. I guess you might see me as a gold farmer?
other people have posted videos of 5-6 sorcs with twiglights all using destro staff impulse at the exact same time
dont know how its done either but it can unfortunatley be doneEdited by bebynnag on November 20, 2016 4:38PM6 -
CapnPhoton✭✭✭✭✭puffytheslayer wrote: »CapnPhoton wrote: »How do you know 100% for sure they are gold bots? They could just be farming groups. Sometimes I will hit an area over and over again 5 times or so for materials, especially the swamp area in The Rift for alc shtuff. I go around the whole area in a loop over and over. I guess you might see me as a gold farmer?
other people have posted videos of 5-6 sorcs with twiglights all using destro staff impulse at the exact same time
dont know how its done either but it can unfortunatley be done
It still does not prove without a doubt they are gold farmers. Only ZOS can determine that by looking at accounts.Xbox One NA Aldmeri Dominion1 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.
After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.
7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy
I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.
These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.Edited by Vaoh on November 20, 2016 4:44PM1 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because botters are like a disease or a virus. Nobody wants them but they spread anyways.PC/DC/NAserver
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Soundwave✭✭✭I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.
After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.
7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy
I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.
These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.
Last year at this time on Xbox one price were bottom low.
Wax 1k
Rosin 4k
Alloy 6k
Kuta 8k
And there we no bots...Edited by Soundwave on November 20, 2016 4:48PM1 -
bebynnag✭✭✭✭✭
✭CapnPhoton wrote: »puffytheslayer wrote: »CapnPhoton wrote: »How do you know 100% for sure they are gold bots? They could just be farming groups. Sometimes I will hit an area over and over again 5 times or so for materials, especially the swamp area in The Rift for alc shtuff. I go around the whole area in a loop over and over. I guess you might see me as a gold farmer?
other people have posted videos of 5-6 sorcs with twiglights all using destro staff impulse at the exact same time
dont know how its done either but it can unfortunatley be done
It still does not prove without a doubt they are gold farmers. Only ZOS can determine that by looking at accounts.
i admit without checking the account i or other players can not proove they are farmers, but if you saw the video (or went to the location in game ^& saw it for yourself like i did) you would see why i & many others believe them to be bots
as to @Vaoh comment that they actually reduce the pricing of alloys, yes tha is a good thing we cant argue with that
however since they are also grinding CP so they can sell the accounts.... do we really need any more entitled fools in the game, you know the ones, they buy their max CP characters on-line, buy a bunch of gold, expect crafters to make them end game armour for free, because they spent RL money to get their gold & refuse to spend it on crafted armour because they need that money to pay someone to rum vMA for them!0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.
After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.
7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy
I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.
These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.
Last year at this time on Xbox one price were bottom low.
Wax 1k
Rosin 4k
Alloy 6k
Kuta 8k
And there we no bots...
Well obviously lol. Us console plebs didn't know the value of anything. We were new to the game and things were fresh. PC transfers and big guild store leaders exploited this since there was no repercussion to screwing with our markets.
A small group of individuals made hundreds of millions of gold this way. They bought up every gold mat they could find at these miniscule prices. When it only costs like 200M to buy up every gold mat on a server (hundreds of stacks of each gold mat), you can begin reselling at a high, fixed price.
This has happened numerous times over and we are at a point where the current prices are outrageous. The lack of an add-on to show us true prices on these mats has contributed a lot to big guild traders being able to pull this off.
I STILL remember one day on PS4 NA where literally every Dreugh Wax had been purchased from every guild trader. They were simply gone. After a day these things piled up on guild stores again but for 2K+ a piece their previous prices.Edited by Vaoh on November 20, 2016 4:59PM3 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭puffytheslayer wrote: »CapnPhoton wrote: »puffytheslayer wrote: »CapnPhoton wrote: »How do you know 100% for sure they are gold bots? They could just be farming groups. Sometimes I will hit an area over and over again 5 times or so for materials, especially the swamp area in The Rift for alc shtuff. I go around the whole area in a loop over and over. I guess you might see me as a gold farmer?
other people have posted videos of 5-6 sorcs with twiglights all using destro staff impulse at the exact same time
dont know how its done either but it can unfortunatley be done
It still does not prove without a doubt they are gold farmers. Only ZOS can determine that by looking at accounts.
i admit without checking the account i or other players can not proove they are farmers, but if you saw the video (or went to the location in game ^& saw it for yourself like i did) you would see why i & many others believe them to be bots
as to @Vaoh comment that they actually reduce the pricing of alloys, yes tha is a good thing we cant argue with that
however since they are also grinding CP so they can sell the accounts.... do we really need any more entitled fools in the game, you know the ones, they buy their max CP characters on-line, buy a bunch of gold, expect crafters to make them end game armour for free, because they spent RL money to get their gold & refuse to spend it on crafted armour because they need that money to pay someone to rum vMA for them!
I could care less about entitled people.
Maybe those accounts might get sold to PC players who want to play with their console friends, yet could not otherwise make the transfer due to the enormous grind?
• Bots being able to lower these stupid 20K+ gold priced Tempering Alloys is great for the game. Had they not been here, Dreugh Wax would be selling for 10-12K a piece (which they do on many guild stores), rather than 7-8K a piece.
• Some players paying real money to have access to a max CP account so they play multi-platform is a good thing
There are two cons though:
• Blocks off small areas for normal players to grind mats - disruptive, but not so bad
• Bots can sell gold, causing inflation unless ZOS has meaningful gold sinks - player housing will be a great gold sink
Don't get me wrong, I hate bots and account selling. It just seems that at this point, they are actually helping us a lot and most people don't even realize it.2 -
bebynnag✭✭✭✭✭
✭puffytheslayer wrote: »CapnPhoton wrote: »puffytheslayer wrote: »CapnPhoton wrote: »How do you know 100% for sure they are gold bots? They could just be farming groups. Sometimes I will hit an area over and over again 5 times or so for materials, especially the swamp area in The Rift for alc shtuff. I go around the whole area in a loop over and over. I guess you might see me as a gold farmer?
other people have posted videos of 5-6 sorcs with twiglights all using destro staff impulse at the exact same time
dont know how its done either but it can unfortunatley be done
It still does not prove without a doubt they are gold farmers. Only ZOS can determine that by looking at accounts.
i admit without checking the account i or other players can not proove they are farmers, but if you saw the video (or went to the location in game ^& saw it for yourself like i did) you would see why i & many others believe them to be bots
as to @Vaoh comment that they actually reduce the pricing of alloys, yes tha is a good thing we cant argue with that
however since they are also grinding CP so they can sell the accounts.... do we really need any more entitled fools in the game, you know the ones, they buy their max CP characters on-line, buy a bunch of gold, expect crafters to make them end game armour for free, because they spent RL money to get their gold & refuse to spend it on crafted armour because they need that money to pay someone to rum vMA for them!
I could care less about entitled people.
Maybe those accounts might get sold to PC players who want to play with their console friends, yet could not otherwise make the transfer due to the enormous grind?
• Bots being able to lower these stupid 20K+ gold priced Tempering Alloys is great for the game. Had they not been here, Dreugh Wax would be selling for 10-12K a piece (which they do on many guild stores), rather than 7-8K a piece.
• Some players paying real money to have access to a max CP account so they play multi-platform is a good thing
There are two cons though:
• Blocks off small areas for normal players to grind mats - disruptive, but not so bad
• Bots can sell gold, causing inflation unless ZOS has meaningful gold sinks - player housing will be a great gold sink
Don't get me wrong, I hate bots and account selling. It just seems that at this point, they are actually helping us a lot and most people don't even realize it.
i take it your not a 9 trait crafter then? cause i have lost count of the amount of people who have contacted me telling me to make them armour! spoiled brats3 -
Emothic✭✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »Hi
It seems since one tamreial xbone is overrun with bots and gold farmers.
They are everywhere agro in all the mobs and aoe them.
Forget about trying to ban the farmers it's useless what they have to do is BAN the buyers.
Anybody caught dealing with gold farmers account gets instant ban no IFS ANDS OR BUTS they can appeal but BAN FIRST.
This will kill the market and with no market no farmers & bots
This suggestion will not really work. Here is a question suggestion. How do you tell if a player bought the gold? Meaning what system or mechanic is able to say "This player bought gold, ban them.". It is impossible to tell if a player has actually bought the gold. Even if say a player bought 20 million gold, there is no evidence or proof that they bought it. So trying to ban the buyers is impossible.
The only "effective" way to deal with something like this is to go after the farmers, since you can't prove the buyers. To go off your title "Why do all MMO let bots and farmers ruin the game". Well, MMOs don't let them. However without proper manpower and resorces to combat bots and farmers it is a losing battle for that MMO. Another way is to try and target the websites that the sellers use. However, this requires a court judge, lots amount of time, and money. Of which if the site does get taken down, they can simply change the sites name.
I can go into this alot more, about 4 paragraphs or more of information. I use to create bots on other games, and I use to combat against bots. For a developer it is not easy to fight against bots.Lord Emothic Von Hellsing of ze Hellsing Family.
Dragon Knight of the Ebonheart Pact. Xbox One - NA1 -
runagate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.
After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.
7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy
I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.
These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.
Last year at this time on Xbox one price were bottom low.
Wax 1k
Rosin 4k
Alloy 6k
Kuta 8k
And there we no bots...
That probably had more to do with people who transferred accounts from PC with everything intact in an era where gold acquisition rates were actually reasonable. Unlike now.0 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭Bot don't lower the price of mat infact by selling tons of gold they cause hyper inflation it is in their interest to inflate prices on non gold mats and items.
It's vicious gold buyers buy gold price of items/mats go up gold seller sell more gold more bots/farmers to provide it gold buyers feel they have to buy more gold to compete against other buyers.
I seen it in linage 2 where there end up with more bot/farmers and Buyers then legit players
The only way to spike the wheel is making GOLD BUYING pay the price buy losing everything.
If gold buyers were persecuted then they wold be no marker fort farmers.
Prices would drop0 -
Waseem✭✭✭✭✭
✭bots helps the economy, too late to save anything especially on consoles
unless you want to buy wax for 30k a piece.. which is totally understandable right?0 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭Talon_Draconis wrote: »Hi
It seems since one tamreial xbone is overrun with bots and gold farmers.
They are everywhere agro in all the mobs and aoe them.
Forget about trying to ban the farmers it's useless what they have to do is BAN the buyers.
Anybody caught dealing with gold farmers account gets instant ban no IFS ANDS OR BUTS they can appeal but BAN FIRST.
This will kill the market and with no market no farmers & bots
This suggestion will not really work. Here is a question suggestion. How do you tell if a player bought the gold? Meaning what system or mechanic is able to say "This player bought gold, ban them.". It is impossible to tell if a player has actually bought the gold. Even if say a player bought 20 million gold, there is no evidence or proof that they bought it. So trying to ban the buyers is impossible.
The only "effective" way to deal with something like this is to go after the farmers, since you can't prove the buyers. To go off your title "Why do all MMO let bots and farmers ruin the game". Well, MMOs don't let them. However without proper manpower and resorces to combat bots and farmers it is a losing battle for that MMO. Another way is to try and target the websites that the sellers use. However, this requires a court judge, lots amount of time, and money. Of which if the site does get taken down, they can simply change the sites name.
I can go into this alot more, about 4 paragraphs or more of information. I use to create bots on other games, and I use to combat against bots. For a developer it is not easy to fight against bots.
Just check the transaction log if you get large amount of gold from either a known gold farmer or from a unrelated account then it probably a gold buy!
BAN!!
THEN THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO APPEAL ANT THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THE GOLD WAS TRANSFERRED FOR A LEGIT REASON
TO FIGHT GOLD SELLING YOU HAVE TO GO BY IF IT QUACKS LIKE DUCK IT PROBABLY IS A DUCK
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A couple months ago I reported a group of 6 or so bots in a silver versions of a zone (Xbone). They were running a circle pulling every wolf, 20+ and blasting them all. It was pretty cool watching it. I would pull a couple and there macro would still attempt the wolf that should of been there. They were all stacked up on 1 rock and each toon would take turns making the run. They all had names like asdfasdfasdf sdfasfer trtrtteo3
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Because they can afford to pay at least a handful of people to police the forum but not the game. ZOSlogic.
I assume you remember early days of ESO. 8 bots on every delve boss. Bots spawning in one after another at quest points, doing the interaction needed and disappearing. I expect XB is nothing like what we saw then. Zos got their act together and did much to correct it.
There may be another issue with XB, Zos does not control everything and that may play a role.1 -
THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm very much a human but if you saw me in Wrothgar the last few weeks doing a loop of a half dozen chests, or bought anything from me in Elden Root I could totally understand if someone thought I was. THEDKEXPERIENCE is a very real person even if I'm mass selling Rosins, Kuta, and Resin for 9k each. 15k for 50 alchemy mats, 7k for 200 ruby ash. That sort of thing.
I always viewed myself as a whole-seller. I price everything at 70 to 90% of the market price so that the power sellers can buy up my stuff and make a small profit. If you're lucky enough to find my deals and you're not reselling it more power to you.1 -
Orjix✭✭✭✭
how would you go about proving or disproving that a person bought gold? anyone could say "yeah i met this guy and he was willing to help me out so he transferred me a ton of gold" so there could be no way of truly identifying whether or not someone was buying gold as long as there is no solid evidence. If i randomly want to be nice a give a random stranger a large sum of gold why should i immediately be marked by ZOS and tracked, all i wanted to do was give a random person a Christmas presentTalon_Draconis wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Hi
It seems since one tamreial xbone is overrun with bots and gold farmers.
They are everywhere agro in all the mobs and aoe them.
Forget about trying to ban the farmers it's useless what they have to do is BAN the buyers.
Anybody caught dealing with gold farmers account gets instant ban no IFS ANDS OR BUTS they can appeal but BAN FIRST.
This will kill the market and with no market no farmers & bots
This suggestion will not really work. Here is a question suggestion. How do you tell if a player bought the gold? Meaning what system or mechanic is able to say "This player bought gold, ban them.". It is impossible to tell if a player has actually bought the gold. Even if say a player bought 20 million gold, there is no evidence or proof that they bought it. So trying to ban the buyers is impossible.
The only "effective" way to deal with something like this is to go after the farmers, since you can't prove the buyers. To go off your title "Why do all MMO let bots and farmers ruin the game". Well, MMOs don't let them. However without proper manpower and resorces to combat bots and farmers it is a losing battle for that MMO. Another way is to try and target the websites that the sellers use. However, this requires a court judge, lots amount of time, and money. Of which if the site does get taken down, they can simply change the sites name.
I can go into this alot more, about 4 paragraphs or more of information. I use to create bots on other games, and I use to combat against bots. For a developer it is not easy to fight against bots.
Just check the transaction log if you get large amount of gold from either a known gold farmer or from a unrelated account then it probably a gold buy!
BAN!!
THEN THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO APPEAL ANT THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THE GOLD WAS TRANSFERRED FOR A LEGIT REASON
TO FIGHT GOLD SELLING YOU HAVE TO GO BY IF IT QUACKS LIKE DUCK IT PROBABLY IS A DUCK0 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Its difficult to stop these people . Those that sell online gold just keep buying accounts because they make more then enough . I saw a whole convention was dedicated to these companies and some make millions . It's called DefCon , look it up .0 -
Talon_Draconis✭✭✭
how would you go about proving or disproving that a person bought gold? anyone could say "yeah i met this guy and he was willing to help me out so he transferred me a ton of gold" so there could be no way of truly identifying whether or not someone was buying gold as long as there is no solid evidence. If i randomly want to be nice a give a random stranger a large sum of gold why should i immediately be marked by ZOS and tracked, all i wanted to do was give a random person a Christmas presentTalon_Draconis wrote: »Talon_Draconis wrote: »Hi
It seems since one tamreial xbone is overrun with bots and gold farmers.
They are everywhere agro in all the mobs and aoe them.
Forget about trying to ban the farmers it's useless what they have to do is BAN the buyers.
Anybody caught dealing with gold farmers account gets instant ban no IFS ANDS OR BUTS they can appeal but BAN FIRST.
This will kill the market and with no market no farmers & bots
This suggestion will not really work. Here is a question suggestion. How do you tell if a player bought the gold? Meaning what system or mechanic is able to say "This player bought gold, ban them.". It is impossible to tell if a player has actually bought the gold. Even if say a player bought 20 million gold, there is no evidence or proof that they bought it. So trying to ban the buyers is impossible.
The only "effective" way to deal with something like this is to go after the farmers, since you can't prove the buyers. To go off your title "Why do all MMO let bots and farmers ruin the game". Well, MMOs don't let them. However without proper manpower and resorces to combat bots and farmers it is a losing battle for that MMO. Another way is to try and target the websites that the sellers use. However, this requires a court judge, lots amount of time, and money. Of which if the site does get taken down, they can simply change the sites name.
I can go into this alot more, about 4 paragraphs or more of information. I use to create bots on other games, and I use to combat against bots. For a developer it is not easy to fight against bots.
Just check the transaction log if you get large amount of gold from either a known gold farmer or from a unrelated account then it probably a gold buy!
BAN!!
THEN THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO APPEAL ANT THE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THE GOLD WAS TRANSFERRED FOR A LEGIT REASON
TO FIGHT GOLD SELLING YOU HAVE TO GO BY IF IT QUACKS LIKE DUCK IT PROBABLY IS A DUCK
Just check the logs even a ip who is search would be enough
Ok some stranger gives me a bunch of gold ....I just show it's like the first time I revived gold....then a few days latter a revive another "gift" from a stranger....hmm he has the same Chinese ip as the last gift....either that person really likes you or there is something strange going on...arkiems razor what is more Likely a strangers gathering large amounts of gold to give to you or you are buying gold from them.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I saw a whole convention was dedicated to these companies and some make millions . It's called DefCon , look it up .
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Talon_Draconis✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Its difficult to stop these people . Those that sell online gold just keep buying accounts because they make more then enough . I saw a whole convention was dedicated to these companies and some make millions . It's called DefCon , look it up .
That is why you go after the buyer if the buyer lose everything it hurts him to buy gold.
He probably will quit the game <good riddance> or not buy gold again
Banning a gold sellers account really does nothing it's just a cost of doing business1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I saw a whole convention was dedicated to these companies and some make millions . It's called DefCon , look it up .
lol don't try it . One guy got sued for millions by Blizzard and lost everything , even his girlfriend . It's a big risk and game companies will pursue you . The ones over seas get away with it the most because their country doesn't allow recourse .0 -
Skcarkden✭✭✭✭I've seen bots on PS4 NA, and know a few places where they can usually be found. Believe me.
After thinking about it though, is it such a bad thing if bots farm mats? They could drive the disgusting gold mat prices on console down finally.
7K minimum Dreugh Wax
10K minimum Rosin
20K Tempering Alloy
I'm legit going to sell my 14 Tempering Alloys in hopes the price will eventually fall. My only worry is that nothing right now will stop them from rising in price instead, which is a very real possibility.
These prices should be significantly lower. At these prices, upgrading one piece of Heavy Armor costs you upwards of 150K.
It's good for small minded buyers who don't care but just want to exploit the issue and save money. Bad for sellers who might actually specifically be grinding to acquire those materials to sell.
I don't like the high prices, but i don't like things being cheapened because bots are doing it.1 -
Thessalia✭✭Can somebody explain to me what bots farmers do?Edited by Thessalia on November 20, 2016 8:58PM0
