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Leader disbands group in 3 seconds and now I have to wait 15 minutes to reqeue?

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deevoh1991
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This happened twice in a row today, I did the activity finder and dungeon and the leader makes a group in 3 seconds the leader disbands the group and I have to wait 15 minutes for a sane person. Can there be a timer set (5 minutes) when you find a group so you don't get trolled when disbanded the second you enter the cave for no reason?
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  • SolarCat02
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    This "group disbanded" message is actually a bug with the group finder. Sometimes it pulls too many people into a group, and then the extra(s) get kicked out with a message that the group was disbanded (but it was not, just slimmed down to four).

    It's been bugged like this for months, and ZOS really needs to fix it. Or at least remove the timer if the coding says the group disbanded (since that is not possible anymore). It's rather ridiculous.
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  • G-sus_NL
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    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.
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  • LadyNalcarya
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    @G-sus_NL wrote: »
    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.

    You cant disband a group queued in group finder, even if it was a premade group. This "group disbanded immediately" thing is a bug.
    Also, why leaving should be penalized? So if someone is acting rude or doesnt listen, you cannot just leave them?
    Edited by LadyNalcarya on November 18, 2016 2:31PM
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  • lardvader
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    KoshkaMurka wrote: »
    @G-sus_NL wrote: »
    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.

    You cant disband a group queued in group finder, even if it was a premade group. This "group disbanded immediately" thing is a bug.
    Also, why leaving should be penalized? So if someone is acting rude or doesnt listed, you cannot just leave them?

    Yes this....
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  • SquareSausage
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    So you dont leave a group right at the start as you think they are too low and it would allow cherry picking of high cp groups.

    if someone is being rude, vote to kick.
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  • LadyNalcarya
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    SquareSausage wrote: »
    So you dont leave a group right at the start as you think they are too low and it would allow cherry picking of high cp groups.

    if someone is being rude, vote to kick.

    From my experience, it doesnt take long to find one person for a group. So actually the person who leaves is already penalized more than the group they left (even if theyre healing or tanking they will lose all progress in the dungeon, and will have to wait for a new group).
    So why add this 15 min penalty on top of it? Its quite obvious that it mostly penalizes average players and those who abuse the tool just changed their methods.
    Edited by LadyNalcarya on November 18, 2016 2:36PM
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  • ItsGlaive
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    KoshkaMurka wrote: »
    @G-sus_NL wrote: »
    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.

    You cant disband a group queued in group finder, even if it was a premade group. This "group disbanded immediately" thing is a bug.
    Also, why leaving should be penalized? So if someone is acting rude or doesnt listen, you cannot just leave them?

    In other games with this system, those people would be vote kicked. But yes, there is no way for the system to distinguish between leavers who are trolls and leavers who are being trolled - so leaving as a whole needs to incur the penalty.
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    Xabien wrote: »
    KoshkaMurka wrote: »
    @G-sus_NL wrote: »
    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.

    You cant disband a group queued in group finder, even if it was a premade group. This "group disbanded immediately" thing is a bug.
    Also, why leaving should be penalized? So if someone is acting rude or doesnt listen, you cannot just leave them?

    In other games with this system, those people would be vote kicked. But yes, there is no way for the system to distinguish between leavers who are trolls and leavers who are being trolled - so leaving as a whole needs to incur the penalty.

    To kick someone, all 3 group members should vote for it which isnt always possible with randoms.
    Also in civilized world everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty. This "lets punish EVERYONE, theres a chance theyre evil trolls and elitists" mentality is extremely toxic for the community. Developers already listened to "lets punish them" crowd and guess what? Trolls just got more power to troll casual players.
    Edited by LadyNalcarya on November 18, 2016 2:44PM
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  • deevoh1991
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    lardvader wrote: »
    KoshkaMurka wrote: »
    @G-sus_NL wrote: »
    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.

    You cant disband a group queued in group finder, even if it was a premade group. This "group disbanded immediately" thing is a bug.
    Also, why leaving should be penalized? So if someone is acting rude or doesnt listed, you cannot just leave them?

    Yes this....

    It's not about the option of leaving them, it's the vague 15 minute for all purpose wait period
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  • deevoh1991
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    Xabien wrote: »
    KoshkaMurka wrote: »
    @G-sus_NL wrote: »
    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.

    You cant disband a group queued in group finder, even if it was a premade group. This "group disbanded immediately" thing is a bug.
    Also, why leaving should be penalized? So if someone is acting rude or doesnt listen, you cannot just leave them?

    In other games with this system, those people would be vote kicked. But yes, there is no way for the to system to distinguish between leavers who are trolls and leavers who are being trolled - so leaving as a whole needs to incur the penalty.

    I have to disagree, there could be a number of genuine reasons a person may have to leave, or their connection bombs "as we all know with ESO" or there have actually been such awkward fights in Voice (Esp in Dungeons) chat that we all wish would end and one of the 2 would either leave or gets kicked soon, its adds to much mental strain to not be allowed to leave.
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  • ItsGlaive
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    Deevo191 wrote: »
    Xabien wrote: »
    KoshkaMurka wrote: »
    @G-sus_NL wrote: »
    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.

    You cant disband a group queued in group finder, even if it was a premade group. This "group disbanded immediately" thing is a bug.
    Also, why leaving should be penalized? So if someone is acting rude or doesnt listen, you cannot just leave them?

    In other games with this system, those people would be vote kicked. But yes, there is no way for the to system to distinguish between leavers who are trolls and leavers who are being trolled - so leaving as a whole needs to incur the penalty.

    I have to disagree, there could be a number of genuine reasons a person may have to leave, or their connection bombs "as we all know with ESO" or there have actually been such awkward fights in Voice (Esp in Dungeons) chat that we all wish would end and one of the 2 would either leave or gets kicked soon, its adds to much mental strain to not be allowed to leave.

    There are always going to be exceptions to the rule, that's unavoidable. I still maintain that something akin to how other mmos do it is the best approach:
    • If a person leaves the group, they incur the penalty (in most other mmos that do this it's 30 mins not 15).
    • If you DC, you don't leave the group - again other mmos do it this way, giving the player a chance to log back in.
    • Vote kick - add in a vote kick option, if you're kicked you do not incur the penalty.
    • Report for misuse - obviously very important with this system. Allow players to report others for abusing it.
    • Vote disband - a vote disband option, requires a majority vote. No penalty incurred for this.
    Edited by ItsGlaive on November 19, 2016 8:40AM
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    Another reason why i love being the tank, im nearly always the leader.
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    KoshkaMurka wrote: »
    @G-sus_NL wrote: »
    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.

    You cant disband a group queued in group finder, even if it was a premade group. This "group disbanded immediately" thing is a bug.
    Also, why leaving should be penalized? So if someone is acting rude or doesnt listen, you cannot just leave them?

    Because, when you could leave without penalty, you saw people just "fishing" in the group finder, and abandoning their current group at the slightest hint of an issue, leaving teams stranded in dungeons and down a player.

    What we (usually) get now, is one derp who will vote to kick anyone they see who isn't at 561.
  • craftycarper73
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    i personally try not to use the group finder for the mere fact you get a penalty of 15 mins if your kicked.. 1 instance of this was i got a message after killing the first boss in a dungeon off the group leader saying his mate wanted to join the run and i was voted to be kicked, as i presume the other in the group was a mate aswell, then i had to wait 15 mins to get another group.

    i just dont see how that is a fair way of doing things?
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    Xabien wrote: »
    Deevo191 wrote: »
    Xabien wrote: »
    KoshkaMurka wrote: »
    @G-sus_NL wrote: »
    If you aren't the one disbanding or leaving you shouldn't get a penalty period.

    You cant disband a group queued in group finder, even if it was a premade group. This "group disbanded immediately" thing is a bug.
    Also, why leaving should be penalized? So if someone is acting rude or doesnt listen, you cannot just leave them?

    In other games with this system, those people would be vote kicked. But yes, there is no way for the to system to distinguish between leavers who are trolls and leavers who are being trolled - so leaving as a whole needs to incur the penalty.

    I have to disagree, there could be a number of genuine reasons a person may have to leave, or their connection bombs "as we all know with ESO" or there have actually been such awkward fights in Voice (Esp in Dungeons) chat that we all wish would end and one of the 2 would either leave or gets kicked soon, its adds to much mental strain to not be allowed to leave.

    There are always going to be exceptions to the rule, that's unavoidable. I still maintain that something akin to how other mmos do it is the best approach:
    • If a person leaves the group, they incur the penalty (in most other mmos that do this it's 30 mins not 15).
    • If you DC, you don't leave the group - again other mmos do it this way, giving the player a chance to log back in.
    • Vote kick - add in a vote kick option, if you're kicked you do not incur the penalty.
    • Report for misuse - obviously very important with this system. Allow players to report others for abusing it.
    • Vote disband - a vote disband option, requires a majority vote. No penalty incurred for this.

    It needs just one more thing: A limit on how many replacements you can get per group. If you kick too many people and start cherry picking, eventually the group finder should refuse to give you another replacement. The number of replacements it actually gives needs to be kept secret from the players so they can't game the system.
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